He called the electric company and they said "It's been
colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that
doesn't make any sense.

Mobile homes are not normally winterized or insulated very
well. And.. maybe he simply left the heat up high when need to
go somewhere?

No, this guy uses just a wood stove to heat his home. It doesn't use any electric.

the second problem is: What are they planning to do with
all this money that they're stealing from us?

Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
need to be managed.

Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional problem?

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Hello Aaron!

[...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify
it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on
you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional
problem?

What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading
your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

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RM >> Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
>> set that up.

Once upon a time, didn't Canada actually reroute, or reverse, the flow of

>some of their rivers in order to build more hydro plants?

Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
flowing some way while they install the turbines, and in some areas
you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all out.

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My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.

>Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the

>available power.

Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro and
all the power they made was measured and fed back into the grid
and they were paid for that power while still being billed like
normal for the power coming into the house.

It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.
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Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
need to be managed.

Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on

>rage to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to jus
>y it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm jus
>ondering if it's just a regional problem?

If this is recent I wonder if the Tariff wars has anything to do with
it since the Premier of Ontario is threatening to put big tariffs on electricity Canada sells to millions of people in the USA, or possibly
cancel selling it altogether? I doubt you'd be buying from us unless
one of two conditions applied.. Either it is cheaper to buy from us
than to generate your own power or the company there just doesn't have
the capacity to keep up with needs. Price increases, if related to
that, might be for what they figure will be big future expense to
build a new power plant to replace that.

Something interesting that came up on today's news.. I'd mentioned
at one point that Canada sells oil to the USA at 20% below world
market prices (and if you eliminate oil from the trade numbers you
actually have a trade Surplus with Canada, not the deficit that
Trump keeps mentioning).. Anyways, the new thing was that we sell
liquid natural gas to the USA for $4 per unit (BTU). It's handy
to sell to you because you are close and have been reliable, but
apparently in Europe they pay $15 per unit for that, so shipping
is a bit of a job but it would be another big market with huge
profits over what we sell it for now, plus it would help keep
Europe from suffering as much with trying to stop buying it from
their past supplier, Russia..

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[...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it.

What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading

>your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

I suppose that's possible.. We have Smart meters here so no one
has to come and read them, but the odd one has come up with some
truly bizarre readings and had to be replaced..

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Hello Rob!

Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
the grid and they were paid for that power while still
being billed like normal for the power coming into the
house.

Ah.. so no batteries.

It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.

Is the contract still in play?

I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,
the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
panels!

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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
flowing some way while they install the turbines,

They spend the first part of the construction routing the river around the dam.

and in some areas

you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all
out.

It's happened many, many times. But they know what towns will be impacted ahead of time.


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Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
the grid and they were paid for that power

Ah.. so no batteries.

Yes.. I have a friend with a smaller but similar system at his
cottage with no contract with the power company, actually he has
his system because he couldn't get access to the grid where his
place was located without paying to have underwater lines run to
his place at a cost of about $25,000. He could have easly afforded
it but he decided to go off grid out of spite.. B)

It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
for the electricity they bought.

Is the contract still in play?

Yes, it was set up for (?) maybe 15 years? Hydro was paying them
more than 80 cents a KWH, but after a couple of years offering
that amount they dropped the payment to new contrats to around
30 cents/KWH. Since my sister feels she is losing money at her
rate the new people may be in for a rude awakening.

I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,

>the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
>poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
>panels!

She talks about how much her husband complains about cleaning off
the panels in winter so it sounds like they are trying to stay
on top of that. She's near Peterborough though so she's getting
weather that's similar to what you and I get.
(Her power is still out from that ice storm 10 days ago.)

Ha.. speaking of, I'm starting to think a lot of our recent bad
weather is my fault. I had a dental appoitnment (50 mile round trip)
last week, and that day we got 4 inches of snow followed by freezing
rain I had to drive through.. Then this week I had a follow up visit
and the evening/night before we got about 10 inches of new snow here.
I worried I'd be unable to get there and be charged a fee for the
cancellation since the plow that does this road didn't show up but
I decided to give it a shot and managed to slip and slide my way
out the 1/2 mile to where the city plow comes in to, but it was
fun, trying to keep my speed up dangerously high so I didn't get
bogged down on hills and curves in all that snow, but I did make it.
Makes me wish at times I'd gotten a car with 4WD though.. B)

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