Yes, and the other thing here is most companies and banks and such try their best to force you to go with electronic statements rather than mailing paper.

That's a good point, and I never thought about it this way until now. Before

>hought "they want to pretend to be tree-huggers" or "they want to save money
>postage," but I think your analogy is more likely true.

Yes, they do tend to push it that way but it saves them a huge amount
of time and money by doing it electronically.

On that one I'm just about as bad. I prefer the results I get using Bing instead of Google, but if I start getting targeted ads from them or something I'd use a safer one like (I think) DuckDuckGo..

That said, possibly I'm just better protected due to my Browser.
I use Opera, a highly modified version of Chrome or Mozilla

I don't fully understand how one browser could be less vulnerable to tracking

>an another. If there's one that's open source, then I'd like to examine the s
>ce to see if what it's doing with information that is typed (keylogging, send
> info to a database, stuff like that.)

Opera first came out in 1995 and I've probably used it since then.

I'm not really sure how the browser sees Trackers although I suppose
it has to latch onto the Browser so there may just be a better reset
done when a site is exited. Adware is probably easier for it to catch
since it has to display through the browser, but I do get a Lot of
sites complaining that they can't send me ads because they are being
blocked and asking me to turn that off, so I know that works pretty well..

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Opera first came out in 1995 and I've probably used it since then.

I'm not really sure how the browser sees Trackers although I suppose
it has to latch onto the Browser so there may just be a better reset
done when a site is exited. Adware is probably easier for it to catch since it has to display through the browser, but I do get a Lot of
sites complaining that they can't send me ads because they are being blocked and asking me to turn that off, so I know that works pretty
well..

Based on what I can figure out about tracking, websites are storing cookies in our browsers, and then when we go to another website, the latter website
is making logical decisions about us based on the cookies from the
websites we previously visited. That can be averted by deleting cookies.

Adware, on the other hand, used to hijack browsers rampantly (e.g. "You're pc is infected!") But now days I'm assuming that adware is less conspicuous, and instead of trying to elicit a response from victims, it's probably just spying on us silently instead.

So it sounds like Opera might be a good choice for averting adware.

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Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-

I used to be able to access my gmail account via just about any email program that supported POP3. They disabled that at some point, but Thunderbird probably uses another interface which I don't doubt gmail would try to block.

You need to create an application password for Gmail. It'll work then.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en




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I think T-Bird even works with gMail now, although my older version

>> didn't. (And I think gMail tries to block remote access like that.)
>> I tend to not update programs that are working well without a really
>> good reason. Too often the improvements mess them up..

I used to be able to access my gmail account via just about any email

>program that supported POP3. They disabled that at some point, but
>Thunderbird probably uses another interface which I don't doubt gmail
>would try to block.

T-Bird updates fairly often to stay on top of things like that and
other threats I suppose. At times I've had to update because it just
stopped working with eMail providers due to increased security mods,
encryption changes and such.

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You need to create an application password for Gmail. It'll work then.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en

I need to look into this!


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I'm not really sure how the browser sees Trackers although I suppose
it has to latch onto the Browser so there may just be a better reset
done when a site is exited. Adware is probably easier for it to catch
since it has to display through the browser

Based on what I can figure out about tracking, websites are storing cookies i

>ur browsers, and then when we go to another website, the latter website
>is making logical decisions about us based on the cookies from the
>websites we previously visited. That can be averted by deleting cookies.

Maybe.. but that situation would assume that the Tracking is done by
the Browser and not by the Web Site you just visited. As I understood
it (?) when you went to a web page, every page you visited after that
was reported back to that web site. The reason for this is not always
evil, it is often just a way of seeing what you are interested in so
they can send you ads for things you will more likely go for.

Adware, on the other hand, used to hijack browsers rampantly (e.g. "You're pc

> infected!") But now days I'm assuming that adware is less conspicuous, and i
>ead of trying to elicit a response from victims, it's probably just spying on
> silently instead.

I think most of what is blocked are ads that pop up on your screen while
you are on that web page. They hate them being blocked because that's
how they pay for most 'free' services web sites offer.

So it sounds like Opera might be a good choice for averting adware.

As I said, I've used it since Windows 95 probably and it's gotten
better over the years as far as I can tell. It is open source though
which means you are relying on the integrity of developers who are
possibly changing all the time.
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>ur browsers, and then when we go to another website, the latter website
>is making logical decisions about us based on the cookies from the
>websites we previously visited. That can be averted by deleting cookies

Maybe.. but that situation would assume that the Tracking is done by
the Browser and not by the Web Site you just visited. As I understood
it (?) when you went to a web page, every page you visited after that
was reported back to that web site. The reason for this is not always evil, it is often just a way of seeing what you are interested in so
they can send you ads for things you will more likely go for.

You're probably right. But think about it this way: If we're avoiding Chrome and Firefox because we don't want to be tracked, doesn't it seem like the authors of our operating systems would have an even more devious way of tracking us? And aren't they all on the same side of the table at the World Economic Forum? ;)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

You're probably right. But think about it this way: If we're avoiding Chrome and Firefox because we don't want to be tracked, doesn't it seem like the authors of our operating systems would have an even more
devious way of tracking us? And aren't they all on the same side of the table at the World Economic Forum? ;)

Run Linux. Run one of the BSDs. I think we'll see people moving to the "friendly" linuxes when Windows 10 starts complaining about security
issues and prompting people to buy Windows 11.



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table at the World Economic Forum? ;)

Run Linux. Run one of the BSDs. I think we'll see people moving to the "friendly" linuxes when Windows 10 starts complaining about security issues and prompting people to buy Windows 11.

Yea I'm with you on "run Linux," but not BSDs. What do you get out of it?

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You're probably right. But think about it this way: If we're avoiding Chrome

> Firefox because we don't want to be tracked, doesn't it seem like the author
>f our operating systems would have an even more devious way of tracking us? A
>aren't they all on the same side of the table at the World Economic Forum? ;)

I never trust anything 100%.. But I hope that when you use an open source browser there are a lot of people keeping an eye on it, and it was usually created in the first place to get away from 'Big Brother' themselves.. B)

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