On Sun, 5/18/2025 12:44 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
) Unconditional use. Transfer curve is relatively smooth.
I had not seen this idea of a transfer curve before. Interesting.
As long as the computer was not busy those instants. The test can take many hours to run.
The benchmarks take tiny samples. The setting for the picture was
"1000 samples of 10MB each". That means a kind of crude statistical
sample. if you play with the settings, you might notice the interaction between those settings choices, and the amount of "artifacts" in the
trace.
I'm only reading a small fraction of the drive surface. I'm taking
a thousand samples. I hope I hit the track that has the huge
number of reallocations on it, to get a representative sample.
I *have* set up a disk before, to bench the whole thing, inch by inch,
from end to end. That took five hours and a "custom technique" not
suited for others.
Any scheme you offer for "vetting" disks, can't particularly
have a long execution time, as then users won't use it. As long
as the bench runs in a couple minutes, most people can manage that.
The thing is, we need to teach people of the need to "vet" disks
before it is TOO LATE. I hate listening to someone whine about
their drive full of CRC errors, and their fervent hope all the
data will be rescued by some miracle. I hope that maybe, maybe,
just once, someone will follow the instructions to bench a drive,
and notice it is sick, and get the data off before the disk is ruined.
It should be noted, that the zone recording scheme of disks,
has "peculiar behavior". An ex-employee at a disk company, was
explaining some of this on his web site (until the company lawyers
detected the leak and shut him down). Some of the disk drives
you buy *cannot* have smooth edges in the graph. The ripple in
the transfer rate, is due to how the tracks are set up, and
the rate on each track can be custom.
Some drives, just the main zones are visible. Each zone is "flat as
a straight edge" on top. For those drives, excursions in
storage performance show up well. The hard drives (even modern
ones) with "gravel on the edges of the graph", it is then
harder to spot real/mechanical trouble as a result. The drive
looks "slightly flaky" from the first day you use it. (And no,
that is not supposed to be an SMR drive either, it's a PMR
with gravel on the bench graph.)
If at first, your two minute bench does not look "pretty",
try adjusting the number of samples and the sample width, and
see if that modifies the artifacts from the benching method.
When hard drives leave the factory, they already have reallocations
on them. The reason the "Reallocated" SMART parameter is not an
honest, linear, indicator is because customers would "cherry pick"
drives and keep sending hard drives back to Newegg, until
they got a "perfect one". To stop that from happening, the
Reallocated statistic always reads 0 when the drive leaves
the factory. This prevents those "special" customers from using
a precision Reallocated statistic, to cherry pick drives.
But because the Reallocated statistic is not an honest one,
we cannot "chart" the health of the drive over its lifetime,
and plot "reallocations versus time". It is for this reason,
that I use the read benchmark as a "proxy for surface damage".
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0 Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0 Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
On Sat, 5/17/2025 11:02 PM, Jimmy Anderson wrote:
To: CtrlAltDel
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done,
although I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and >> Ct> parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be
recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I
currently have.
Why not find someone that WILL use the HDD's? That way they aren't
'junked'?
The S.M.A.R.T table can tell you what shape the drives are in.
As can a read benchmark.
"gnome-disks" has a benchmark window for the entire disk drive,
from the upper right three-ball menu. You're looking for "downward spikes" indicating excess re-allocations, as an indication
of whether the drive is still suited to main usage.
I usually deassert the tick box for write benchmark, and only do reads.
It is hard for me to say whether the benchmarks are accurate. The main purpose of running a bench, is to check for "smoothness". There have
been problems in the past, with more than one benchmark not being
able to measure speed properly. Some need a bug fix for this.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ5GLTsW/disk-drive-testing.gif
I sort the drives into three piles.
1) Unconditional use. Transfer curve is relatively smooth.
2) Not for regular use. Like the drive in the picture, some
signs of wear are present.
3) The third level, is the "close to failure level". The
downward spikes are 50GB wide, and the slowness of the drive is
apparent. The "Reallocated" raw data box, is not zero and
might read 200 or 300. This is a drive with limited
remaining spare sectors. It still works as well as (2),
but is just less trustworthy. There could be room for the
reallocated to show up to 5500, but the application may
not tolerate the condition of the drive all the way to max.
It might take "ddrescue" from package "gddrescue", to copy the disk.
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0 >> Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
OK, added to my notes file.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>> Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
OK, added to my notes file.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:OK, added to my notes file.
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0 >>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0 >>>
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
Yeah, current limit. My sample big drive (only an 18TB one), it
takes a while to spin up, and it also screws around a bit before
it becomes ready. It's not just loading the firmware off the
platter (which is the minimal requirement).
I notice they're allowing drives up to and including 14TB
to breathe air, and I bet one of those would be slow to start.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:OK, added to my notes file.
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0 >>>>> Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0 >>>>
If you want to see the full log, I can post it. I had a look just after purchase, checking to see the disk was actually new.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
Yeah, current limit. My sample big drive (only an 18TB one), it
takes a while to spin up, and it also screws around a bit before
it becomes ready. It's not just loading the firmware off the
platter (which is the minimal requirement).
I notice they're allowing drives up to and including 14TB
to breathe air, and I bet one of those would be slow to start.
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
On Mon, 5/19/2025 6:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
There was a press release some time ago, indicating they were
working on thinner platters, in order to squeeze more platters
into the one inch high drive housings. The thin platters may
be made of glass, and then the plated-up stack is put on the
outside.
*******
It's a good question why they couldn't use Nitrogen. Or for that
matter, why the air-HDA could not be sealed. Helium might have a
different viscosity, and "flying characteristic" for the head,
which is why the Helium pressure is a bit above atmospheric.
The air breather drives were supposed to be that way, to avoid
"tin-canning" of the lid, as barometric pressure changes. The Helium
drives on the other hand, have two lid plates, one gas-tignt, one
plate a mechanical reinforcement. If they used a fancy lid, I don't
see why they couldn't seal the air-based drive. The data recovery
people aren't going to like it. There have already been some
joke videos, where they portray their attempts to try to get the lid
off a Helium drive (welded on), for data recovery.
It means if you have a Helium drive, and you let it get too old and
crusty, data recovery might be more difficult (or do-able by fewer
people), than the air drives that unscrew easily.
The head stack in a Helium drive, would only have the correct flying
height under Helium fill to the correct pressure. If the housing
was filled with air, it is unclear whether you could even make it work
well with air present. The heads have "lift" and the lift surface
is scaled according to the gas being used. The "lift" effect counteracts
the spring constant of the arms. The flying scheme allows the drive
to run on six-axis.
On 2025-05-19 18:05, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 6:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind
of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
There was a press release some time ago, indicating they were
working on thinner platters, in order to squeeze more platters
into the one inch high drive housings. The thin platters may
be made of glass, and then the plated-up stack is put on the
outside.
*******
It's a good question why they couldn't use Nitrogen. Or for that
matter, why the air-HDA could not be sealed. Helium might have a
different viscosity, and "flying characteristic" for the head,
which is why the Helium pressure is a bit above atmospheric.
The air breather drives were supposed to be that way, to avoid
"tin-canning" of the lid, as barometric pressure changes. The Helium
drives on the other hand, have two lid plates, one gas-tignt, one
plate a mechanical reinforcement. If they used a fancy lid, I don't
see why they couldn't seal the air-based drive. The data recovery
people aren't going to like it. There have already been some
joke videos, where they portray their attempts to try to get the lid
off a Helium drive (welded on), for data recovery.
It means if you have a Helium drive, and you let it get too old and
crusty, data recovery might be more difficult (or do-able by fewer
people), than the air drives that unscrew easily.
The head stack in a Helium drive, would only have the correct flying
height under Helium fill to the correct pressure. If the housing
was filled with air, it is unclear whether you could even make it work
well with air present. The heads have "lift" and the lift surface
is scaled according to the gas being used. The "lift" effect counteracts
the spring constant of the arms. The flying scheme allows the drive
to run on six-axis.
They might even use hydrogen. It is a similar density to helium but far easier to obtain. Yes, it is flammable, but there is not that much gas,
and it is sealed.
Well, welding is a problem, though :-DD
On 20-05-2025 02:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 18:05, Paul wrote:
They might even use hydrogen. It is a similar density to helium butThe problem with hydrogen might be that it diffuses easily in/through materials. In the long run it might affect the pressure within. It
far easier to obtain. Yes, it is flammable, but there is not that much
gas, and it is sealed.
Well, welding is a problem, though :-DD
also makes metals brittle.
Helium should also diffuse easily, no? But hydrogen reacts, helium
doesn't.
"Carlos E. R." writes:
Helium should also diffuse easily, no? But hydrogen reacts, helium
doesn't.
Low temperature hydrogen embrittlement primarily affects high strength
or hardened steels. It does not affect aluminum and copper.
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To help >> save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no more
clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my brother-in-law
gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
Now I am happy[cut]
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To
help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no
more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my
brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 10:11:55 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To
help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no
more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my
brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
My niece had glued the feet of a barbie doll to one of them and was using
it as a stand for the doll. I just scraped the glue off with a pocket
knife and it seems to work fine.
The other one, she had used finger nail polish to paint flowers and grass on, but I just used some polish remover to get all that off with and it seems okay too.
She's only 10 years old and I could tell she was a little upset I was
taking her toys away. To compensate for that, I told her I would whittle her some wood sticks so she could build a little house for her pet
hamster.
If this is a problem, remember that the metal cases unscrew. and inside
is an autonomous PCB that works without the case being present.
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16480/IMGP9045_575px.jpg
If operating the PCB without the covers on it, you would need to be
careful that any active circuitry does not touch a chassis ground. That
means using the tiny cable ties, the nylon ones and arranging the SSD
PCB so it does not touch anything. a lot of cases, just don't have the convenient mount-points to do that.
Some SSDs have plastic bodies.
Some are metal (and the metal is at ground potential).
The metal ones made from a sheet steel, some of those scratch very
easily and can be cosmetically damaged such that the store won't accept
them as a return (open box) item unless they are in mint-condition. Such drives are to be avoided, from a warranty or return perspective, because
they scratch way too easily. If you screw one of those drives into the
laptop metal tray, that scratches up the paint too.
On some, the screws are in obvious locations and one of the screws is
covered with an anti-tamper sticker (Intel).
On others, it's possible the generous-sized label covers the screw that
holds the two case halves together.
I'm thinking about giving her my penny collection I've been collecting
from all my spare change for the last year. I would guess there is at
least 30 dollars worth of pennies in the jug.
On Wed, 5/28/2025 3:14 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I'm thinking about giving her my penny collection I've been collectingWhen I took thirty years of change to the bank, it amounted to around
from all my spare change for the last year. I would guess there is at
least 30 dollars worth of pennies in the jug.
$1500. The requirement to roll the submitted coins, is why nobody
normally takes them back to the bank. When they got a sorting machine
for coins,
I dumped my entire collection. You never know how much money is tied up
in change, until you redeem it.
You could buy a lot of Barbie dolls with $1500.
test
test
On Wed, 14 May 2025 16:49:04 -0400, Paul wrote:
They don't have to go to waste.
https://www.westerndigital.com/company/programs/easy-recycle
The only problem with local recyclers, is they will at least harvest the
chassis metal. But routing the magnets to the right place, is a larger
ask for them.
When done the careless way, they use chipper machines, and just grind
the device into base materials, then run a separation method to put the
PCB chips in one pile, the metal chassis bits in another pile.
The purpose of this, is avoiding the need for staff with screwdrivers to
take it apart the manual way.
But if the owner of the drive, separates the bits into piles, the PCBs
can be sent to the local electronics recycler, the chassis to the
aluminum guy... and the rest could be sent to WDC. That would avoid
sending a box at postal rates, with the entire mass in it.
One thing they're running out of, is Helium (for the Helium-filled
drives).
but Helium is available if people want it (it is a residual gas in
natural gas wells but requires "separation" to get it.
*******
More than one company, has robots that do the entire disassembly of hard
drives.
While my country would use our chipper plant to destroy them, other
companies don't even use humans to get the magnets. Robots do it.
(No, not robots with arms and legs. Minimal robots, as in NC machines.)
This means if recycling Helium drives, the workstation needs a milling
bit, to mill the welded cover edge off. Whereas conventional air
breather drives, can be taken apart with robotic screwdrivers on an
actuator assembly. It's likely a human places the HDD in the correct X-Y
position on the table, and just walks away. When they come back, the
table should be clear, ready for the next one to be oriented correctly
for disassembly.
One of the screw holes may be hidden under a label, which is part of the
fun.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/jegH5YrSTgo/maxresdefault.jpg
You can use any level of care and attention suits your purpose.
Me sending one to the chipper plant, is good enough.
Those are all great ideas, for people that don't care about the Earth or
the environment or conservation. All these options you mention are
horrible suggestions, frankly.
Do you know how much energy it takes to run machines like shredders, granulators,and separators and assorted automated robots? And don't even mention the balers. Just think of it. My God, imagine the destruction of precious wildlife and land resources originally done when getting the
metal ore, limestone, coal, etc... out of the earth to create these huge, monstrous machines.
One day's operation at a recycling plant probably uses more gas, oil, electricity, etc... than a normal family in a normal sized home would in a thousand years.
Add to this all the gasoline used by employees in vehicles that are used every single day to drive to and from their employment. Then each day
when they go home they shower or take a bath, which is a tremendous waste
of precious Mother Earth's water supply.
These same employees have to feed their bodies food to sustain them during their workdays, also.
It just goes on and on and on. I would rather have just converted my HDD drives into SSD's like I originally stated but, I guess that isn't
possible.
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
On 2025-08-26 01:56, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
No, you don't own it.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:27:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-26 01:56, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
No, you don't own it.
Actually, I do. I created the thread and therefore, possession of it is mine. It's in the original Usenet Guidelines.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:27:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-26 01:56, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
No, you don't own it.
Actually, I do. I created the thread and therefore, possession of it is mine. It's in the original Usenet Guidelines.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:27:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-26 01:56, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:39:15 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/08/2025 1:06 pm, CtrlAltDel wrote:
testWhy are you posting a 'test' message into a non-test Newsgroup??
'x.test' newsgroups are MADE for test messages.
It's my thread; I can do what I want.
No, you don't own it.
Actually, I do. I created the thread and therefore, possession of it is >mine. It's in the original Usenet Guidelines.
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