Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them
to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them
to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them
to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
On 05/05/2025 12.21, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them
to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer
them to
become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
1. Check your motherboard if it supports M2 or if it only has SATA
2. Buy a SSD/NVMe of a size big enough to contain the content of the HDD
3. Use dd to clone the largest HDD to the SSD/NVMe
4. Use parted or fdisk to get the sizes of the partitions of the next HDD
5. Use parted/fdisk to add new partitions of the right size to the SSD/NVMe 6. Use dd to clone each partition from the HDD to the new partitions on
the SSD/NVMe
7. jump back to point 4 and repeat the steps for the next HDD.
8. When no more HDD left, you are finished.
Example:
dd bs=4M conv=sync,noerror status=progress if=/dev/hdd-partition of=/ dev/nvme-ssd-partition
store away your HDDs, keep them as backup.
1. Check your motherboard if it supports M2 or if it only has SATA 2.
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a
time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with
rsync.
On 2025-05-05 12:21, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them
to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a
time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with
rsync.
nothing to it.
I would have thought the clue was in the names .... "spinner hard drive" (i.e. rotating disks) and "solid state drive" (i.e. no rotating disk).
Unless, of course, you are talking about removing the spinning disk
block and replacing it was a SSD block ..... which *MIGHT* be possible
.... but I seriously doubt the Economics would work out!!
1. Check your motherboard if it supports M2 or if it only has SATA 2.
7. jump back to point 4 and repeat the steps for the next HDD.
8. When no more HDD left, you are finished.
Example:
dd bs=4M conv=sync,noerror status=progress if=/dev/hdd-partition of=/dev/nvme-ssd-partition
store away your HDDs, keep them as backup.
SSD drives can be pretty cheap.
https://www.newegg.com/lexar-128gb-ns100/p/0D9-003V-00054
1TB $66.97 USD 512GB $40.99 USD 256GB $28.99 USD <=== my computer
store has these, for a little less ["scratch drives"]
128GB $28.41 USD
Paul
On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:06:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-05 12:21, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them
to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a
time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with
rsync.
nothing to it.
I was wanting to convert the HDD's to actual SDD's, if possible.
On 05/05/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with rsync.
Perhaps the OP is thinking of that 90s software that could increase your RAM capacity..?
Cheers ;-)
On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:54:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
I would have thought the clue was in the names .... "spinner hard drive"
(i.e. rotating disks) and "solid state drive" (i.e. no rotating disk).
Unless, of course, you are talking about removing the spinning disk
block and replacing it was a SSD block ..... which *MIGHT* be possible
.... but I seriously doubt the Economics would work out!!
Let me explain. I bought a Dell XPS about 12 years ago and it had a TB HDD drive. Since that time, I've added 2 more 1TB HDD's to the box. So,
that's three perfectly fine HDD's that still work great that I don't want
to just trash.
But, I do want to convert them to SDD's so that I can gain a little bit of speed using common programs. In other words, I would prefer not to have to purchase any new product, only convert what I currently have.
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert them
to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
But, I do want to convert them to SDD's so that I can gain a little bit of speed using common programs. In other words, I would prefer not to have to purchase any new product, only convert what I currently have.
CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> writes:
But, I do want to convert them to SDD's so that I can gain a little bit of speed using common programs. In other words, I would prefer not to have to purchase any new product, only convert what I currently have.
I think you'll need to talk to your local alchemist about this
conversion. I expect they'll be interested and deliver it soon, right
after they figure out the recipe for turning lead into gold.
On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:06:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-05 12:21, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them
to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a
time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with
rsync.
nothing to it.
I was wanting to convert the HDD's to actual SDD's, if possible. I hate
to be wasteful and don't want to just throw the HDD's away. So, I
need to actually change the HDD's and made them into SDD's so they
will be faster and more reliable.
On 2025-05-05, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:06:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-05 12:21, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longer >>>> use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them >>>> to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
What do you mean, convert? You have to replace them. Do it one at a
time, create the partitions you wish, format, and copy the files with
rsync.
nothing to it.
I was wanting to convert the HDD's to actual SDD's, if possible. I hate
to be wasteful and don't want to just throw the HDD's away. So, I
need to actually change the HDD's and made them into SDD's so they
will be faster and more reliable.
It's as possible as "converting" a Boeing 777 to a daily driver you keep
in your house's attached garage.
Carlos E.R. wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
I was wanting to convert the HDD's to actual SDD's, if possible.
Absolutely utterly impossible.
You might open the metal box of a hard disk, remove all the contents,
and replace with the contents of the SSD.
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
Let me explain. I bought a Dell XPS about 12 years ago and it had a TB HDD drive. Since that time, I've added 2 more 1TB HDD's to the box. So,
that's three perfectly fine HDD's that still work great that I don't want
to just trash.
But, I do want to convert them to SDD's so that I can gain a little bit of speed using common programs. In other words, I would prefer not to have to purchase any new product, only convert what I currently have.
On 06/05/2025 00:38, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Let me explain. I bought a Dell XPS about 12 years ago and it had a TB HDD >> drive. Since that time, I've added 2 more 1TB HDD's to the box. So,
that's three perfectly fine HDD's that still work great that I don't want
to just trash.
But, I do want to convert them to SDD's so that I can gain a little bit of >> speed using common programs. In other words, I would prefer not to have to >> purchase any new product, only convert what I currently have.
You might be able to replace them with SSDs.
You could probably also copy the contents of the HDDs on to the new SSDs that you are going to put in instead.
But convert them into SSDs? I'm finding it hard to imagine what you are thinking of in this case.
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software),
seems it possible to you?
CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longerUse Clonezilla to copy entire hard drive to an SSD.
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them
to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Samsung Evo SATA SSD will be about 3x faster than a consumer spinner.
I presume your disks aren't more than 7 or 8 TB.
SSD drives can be pretty cheap.
https://www.newegg.com/lexar-128gb-ns100/p/0D9-003V-00054
1TB $66.97 USD 512GB $40.99 USD 256GB $28.99 USD <=== my computer
store has these, for a little less ["scratch drives"]
128GB $28.41 USD
On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul wrote:
SSD drives can be pretty cheap.
https://www.newegg.com/lexar-128gb-ns100/p/0D9-003V-00054
1TB $66.97 USD 512GB $40.99 USD 256GB $28.99 USD <=== my computer
store has these, for a little less ["scratch drives"]
128GB $28.41 USD
Are these prices for HDD's that have been previously converted into SSD's
or just SSD's originally?
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com>
sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software),
seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid
state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to
buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can
do that.
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> sac|| de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software), seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give
them another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that. --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do
that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot
of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the reverse.
Might be time to put the crack pipe down for a bit.
You can't do what you're babbling about.
On Tue, 6 May 2025 14:32:12 +0800, Woozy Song wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:
Hello everyone. I have several old spinner hard drives that I no longerUse Clonezilla to copy entire hard drive to an SSD.
use and would like to know if there are any apps I can use to convert
them to SSD's?
Turning them into regular SSD's would be great, but I would prefer them
to become NVMe solid state drives, if possible.
Samsung Evo SATA SSD will be about 3x faster than a consumer spinner.
I presume your disks aren't more than 7 or 8 TB.
I've heard of Clonezilla; this is probably what I need. I'll download it
and see if I can make it work for me. This going to be great if it works right.
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do
that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot
of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to
what I am actually saying.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell
me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
On 2025-05-12, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Are these prices for HDD's that have been previously converted into SSD's >> or just SSD's originally?
There is not, nor has there ever been, a HDD that has been "converted"
into an SSD in the manner which you want to do.
It's simply not how this stuff works, at all.
On 2025-05-13 00:22, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> >> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software),
seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to
buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the reverse.
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do
that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot
of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to what I am actually saying.
On Tue, 13 May 2025 02:43:18 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-13 00:22, CtrlAltDel wrote:If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and smells like a troll...
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> >>>> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software), >>>> seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably
couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them >>> another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid
state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster
read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into >>> more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to
buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the
reverse.
Alternatively, play along and advise opening the hard drive caddies
and soldering them to stop them spinning.
On 13/05/2025 6:50 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2025 02:43:18 +0200As far as I know, SSDs are relatively new on the scene.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-13 00:22, CtrlAltDel wrote:If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and smells like a troll...
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> >>>>> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software), >>>>> seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably >>>> couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them >>>> another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid >>>> state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster >>>> read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into >>>> more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to >>>> buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the >>> reverse.
Alternatively, play along and advise opening the hard drive caddies
and soldering them to stop them spinning.
Do any SSD Manufacturers actually manufacture "bare bone" SSDs which can then be mounted in any old HD box??
On Tue, 13 May 2025 02:43:18 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the
reverse.
You aren't being very helpful. The poster named John Hasler is being much more gracious than you and seems to know how to do what I am requesting.
Thanks, anyway.
Alternatively, play along and advise opening the hard drive caddies
and soldering them to stop them spinning.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away
the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could
tell me how to do it.
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do
that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot
of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to
what I am actually saying.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell
me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
On 13/05/2025 at 06:30, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do >>> that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot
of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to what I am actually saying.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
Buy one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265882169151?_skw=kingston+ssd&itmmeta=01JV4XMD2VHC6GHRB7812VFTPT&hash=item3de7cfef3f%3Ag%3AlgIAAOSwK7BjHz4U&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eS01YmYRRNYjrqJG8FGYYGKU5RVL17wRWssQ0K7mD0eN5KV2jM88UZLYmo7h4DQWcuCQuYxbJxmNISUXp5JRxUGEa0FFTeC0bc8nc%2F9z8juHti0HTtxVcCfBDeZVimEp07se1YkFLfcUhMRax70cqy2ptE3J%2Bd%2FuE6Fp%2FnS10eDjUhC4Ca9w6MM1VjKJd8%2BUY4Cu%2FujP0QurYXXH7u%2B8kcDq%2FeaYLjXY8JIO8kb%2BbwvPmp%2F9qEo5fxnKVcWi6MTxU%3D%7Ctkp%3ABlBMUNrR0Z3ZZQ&var=565708498598
Or similar. All the work already done. 960Gb ~ £60.
On Tue, 13 May 2025 14:37:55 +0100
Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> wrote:
On 13/05/2025 at 06:30, CtrlAltDel wrote:I wouldn't trust the wear limits on an ssd card. Can I open it up and resolder it into a proper spinning rust Hard Drive?
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do >> >>> that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot >> >> of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the >> > guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to >> > what I am actually saying.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell >> > me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
Buy one of these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265882169151?_skw=kingston+ssd&itmmeta=01JV4XMD2VHC6GHRB7812VFTPT&hash=item3de7cfef3f%3Ag%3AlgIAAOSwK7BjHz4U&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eS01YmYRRNYjrqJG8FGYYGKU5RVL17wRWssQ0K7mD0eN5KV2jM88UZLYmo7h4DQWcuCQuYxbJxmNISUXp5JRxUGEa0FFTeC0bc8nc%2F9z8juHti0HTtxVcCfBDeZVimEp07se1YkFLfcUhMRax70cqy2ptE3J%2Bd%2FuE6Fp%2FnS10eDjUhC4Ca9w6MM1VjKJd8%2BUY4Cu%2FujP0QurYXXH7u%2B8kcDq%2FeaYLjXY8JIO8kb%2BbwvPmp%2F9qEo5fxnKVcWi6MTxU%3D%7Ctkp%3ABlBMUNrR0Z3ZZQ&var=565708498598
Or similar. All the work already done. 960Gb ~ £60.
On 2025-05-13 00:22, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> >>> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software),
seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably
couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them
another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid
state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster
read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into >> more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to
buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the reverse.
If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and smells like a troll...
On Mon, 5/12/2025 8:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-13 00:22, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 17:59:41 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha5 May 2025 y hora 11:21:46 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@BHam.com> >>>> sacó de su cabeza:
if there are any apps I can use to convert them to SSD's?
app is *SOFTware*, while HDD/SSD are *HARDware*
Beyond that, you'd like to "convert" a fish into a bird (via software), >>>> seems it possible to you?
Well, I'm using Linux Mint 22.1 if that helps any. I know you probably >>> couldn't do anything like this on Windows but, I am using Linux.
I mean, I already have these HDD's, why not re-purpose them and give them >>> another function as SSD's. I've been researching it and they say solid
state drives give you faster boot times, less power consumption, faster
read/write speeds, etc...
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them into >>> more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I need to >>> buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
We told you, it is impossible to convert a hard disk into an SSD, or the reverse.
It could be a terminology issue.
You can *clone* a slow HDD onto a faster SSD. This is
not exactly the best way to do it, and is merely an
illustration of doing it in the old days. This would cause
excess wear on the destination SSD (writing 512 byte chunks
to 64K pages would be stupid). However, the Linux System Write cache
is going to change the transaction size at some point, so this
is not as bad as a superficial analysis would indicate.
sudo dd /dev/sda /dev/sdb # Works well if the disks are exactly the same size.
# We actually have some SSDs that are exactly
the same size to the byte. as 1TB HDDs.
You can't convert motors and heads into NAND flash chips,
so you cannot exactly convert between hardware type.
This is not exactly a "Tea, Earl Gray, Hot" machine :-)
By cloning an older disk, you can move the contents
from one place to another.
*******
As an experiment, I took my Lexar NS100 256GB SSD and tried to move
it to my WD Blue 250GB HDD. This was just a test to see how
easy it is for a Year Of The Linux Desktop user, to move from one
disk to another.
1) Clonezilla
It warned that it does not handle destination disks which are smaller than the source.
while I did not test it, there is no reason to believe they could handle the
other case. (If you move a GPT partitioned disk to a larger disk, you have to relocate
the GPT table to the correct offset, and not all softwares do this correctly. There are
yet other softwares that detect this error, and they will put up a warning dialog.)
Clonezilla still offered to carry on, even though the partition would not fit, and
a second error dialog appeared when the transfer failed ("no space").
Conclusion: Not ready for prime time. This kind of behavior causes user hair loss.
2) Gparted
Now, I like Gparted. You can (almost) always get a result with it.
Only once did it trip in a spectacular fashion and drop all its drinks on the floor.
sudo gparted
OK, so to start with, I thoroughly erased the destination disk. That's
for the purposes of doing experiments, I don't want to pollute the
results via the "history" of the disk drive.
The first step, is getting GParted to prepare the device for GPT partitioning.
This might be termed as "Initialize" or "Disk Initialize", and you have to select MSDOS or GPT, to match the partition scheme used on the source disk.
Next, in Gparted, the menu has "Copy" and "Paste". This is how we clone!
You can highlight a partition on /dev/sda, select "Copy", then change
the disk selector to the blank-GPT /dev/sdb and press "Paste".
When the destination drive is too small, or, there is no available space
big enough for a too-large partition, the Paste menu item is greyed out.
This means you need to do a "shrink" on the source partition, before
a Copy/Paste to the second smaller disk drive will work. Fair enough.
GParted will not do an on-the-fly resize like some commercial
softwares offer. That's fine. Breaking the operation into two atomic steps, is all part of the "component nature" of Partition Management. Utilities
do not act greedy with the convenience functions. They strive for accuracy and "no damage to user goods". That's the way it should be.
So I got my materials onto the destination.
I wouldn't trust the wear limits on an ssd card. Can I open it up and resolder it into a proper spinning rust Hard Drive?
CtrlAltDel writes:
I wouldn't trust the wear limits on an ssd card. Can I open it up and
resolder it into a proper spinning rust Hard Drive?
You are making less and less sense.
CtrlAltDel writes:
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away
the guts of the perfectly functioning HDD.
Do you understand how HDDs and SSDs work? An HDD stores data
magnetically on a rotating disk driven by a motor. The data is read and written by a read/write head mounted on an arm driven by another motor.
An SSD stores data electrically inside special-purpose integrated
circuits.
The only parts that an HDD and an SSD have in common are the connectors.
None of those perfectly working HDD guts are of any use for the SSD you
plan to build in that case[1]. You have to remove them to make room for
the SSD parts.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could
tell me how to do it.
Start by getting a degree in electrical engineering with a
specialization in electronics. Or you could do as others have
suggested: buy a small SSD and mount it inside the empty HDD case. But
what would be the point in doing that?
[1] You might be able to salvage a few of the ICs for reuse.
On 13/05/2025 at 06:30, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:38:32 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
CtrlAltDel writes:
Why in the world wouldn't I want to take what I have and upgrade them
into more powerful and useful drives? I know how to solder and if I
need to buy a few parts, as long as they are very inexpensive, I can do >>>> that.
You[1] *could* open up an HDD, throw away the guts, and install a
circuit board with all the ICs that comprise an SDD. It would be a lot >>> of work and the cost of the parts would exceed the cost of an SSD.
[1] I could, but I wouldn't. I rather doubt that you have the
necessary skills.
This is almost what I want to do, with the exception of throwing away the
guts of the perfectly functioning HDD. Finally, someone is listening to
what I am actually saying.
Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell
me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
Buy one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265882169151
Or similar. All the work already done. 960Gb ~ £60.
2) Gparted
Next, in Gparted, the menu has "Copy" and "Paste". This is how we clone!
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done, although
I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I currently have.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all
need to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better
place.
That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
On Tue, 13 May 2025 14:37:55 +0100
Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> wrote:
On 13/05/2025 at 06:30, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wouldn't trust the wear limits on an ssd card. Can I open it up and resolder it into a proper spinning rust Hard Drive?Since you have the skill level necessary to do this, maybe you could tell >>> me how to do it. How smart does one have to be to do it?
Buy one of these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265882169151?_skw=kingston+ssd&itmmeta=01JV4XMD2VHC6GHRB7812VFTPT&hash=item3de7cfef3f%3Ag%3AlgIAAOSwK7BjHz4U&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eS01YmYRRNYjrqJG8FGYYGKU5RVL17wRWssQ0K7mD0eN5KV2jM88UZLYmo7h4DQWcuCQuYxbJxmNISUXp5JRxUGEa0FFTeC0bc8nc%2F9z8juHti0HTtxVcCfBDeZVimEp07se1YkFLfcUhMRax70cqy2ptE3J%2Bd%2FuE6Fp%2FnS10eDjUhC4Ca9w6MM1VjKJd8%2BUY4Cu%2FujP0QurYXXH7u%2B8kcDq%2FeaYLjXY8JIO8kb%2BbwvPmp%2F9qEo5fxnKVcWi6MTxU%3D%7Ctkp%3ABlBMUNrR0Z3ZZQ&var=565708498598
Or similar. All the work already done. 960Gb ~ £60.
Jeez. Still, it's a bit of fun.
On 2025-05-14, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done, although
I'm still not sure why.
For the same reason that you cannot "convert" a Betamax player into a
BluRay player, or a 486 desktop into a laptop, etc.
You can certinly *REPLACE* one thing with the other, of course.--
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done, although
I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and
parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I currently have.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all need
to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better place.
That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done, although
I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and
parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I currently have.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all need
to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better place.
That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
On 14/05/2025 1:22 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
I wouldn't trust the wear limits on an ssd card. Can I open it up and"the wear limits"?? What 'wear'?? Turning gates from 'One' to 'Zero'!
resolder it into a proper spinning rust Hard Drive?
Jeez. Still, it's a bit of fun.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all need
to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better place.
That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all need
to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better place.
That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done, although
I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I currently have.
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all need to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better place. That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
They don't have to go to waste.
https://www.westerndigital.com/company/programs/easy-recycle
The only problem with local recyclers, is they will at least harvest the chassis metal. But routing the magnets to the right place, is a larger
ask for them.
When done the careless way, they use chipper machines, and just grind
the device into base materials, then run a separation method to put the
PCB chips in one pile, the metal chassis bits in another pile.
The purpose of this, is avoiding the need for staff with screwdrivers to
take it apart the manual way.
But if the owner of the drive, separates the bits into piles, the PCBs
can be sent to the local electronics recycler, the chassis to the
aluminum guy... and the rest could be sent to WDC. That would avoid
sending a box at postal rates, with the entire mass in it.
One thing they're running out of, is Helium (for the Helium-filled
drives).
but Helium is available if people want it (it is a residual gas in
natural gas wells but requires "separation" to get it.
*******
More than one company, has robots that do the entire disassembly of hard drives.
While my country would use our chipper plant to destroy them, other
companies don't even use humans to get the magnets. Robots do it.
(No, not robots with arms and legs. Minimal robots, as in NC machines.)
This means if recycling Helium drives, the workstation needs a milling
bit, to mill the welded cover edge off. Whereas conventional air
breather drives, can be taken apart with robotic screwdrivers on an
actuator assembly. It's likely a human places the HDD in the correct X-Y position on the table, and just walks away. When they come back, the
table should be clear, ready for the next one to be oriented correctly
for disassembly.
One of the screw holes may be hidden under a label, which is part of the
fun.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/jegH5YrSTgo/maxresdefault.jpg
You can use any level of care and attention suits your purpose.
Me sending one to the chipper plant, is good enough.
con fecha14 May 2025 y hora 09:51:48 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel"
<Altie@BHam.com> sacó de su cabeza:
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all
need to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better
place. That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think
like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
american or not, you're definitely a troll...
It just goes on and on and on. I would rather have just converted my HDD drives into SSD's like I originally stated but, I guess that isn't
possible.
[...]
It just goes on and on and on. I would rather have just converted my HDD drives into SSD's like I originally stated but, I guess that isn't
possible.
On 2025-05-14, CtrlAltDel wrote:
[...]
It just goes on and on and on. I would rather have just converted my HDD
drives into SSD's like I originally stated but, I guess that isn't
possible.
Why are you so against using a ready-made SSD, and physically swapping
out the HDD you currently have?
On Wed, 14 May 2025 12:05:53 -0000 (UTC), evanmac wrote:
con fecha14 May 2025 y hora 09:51:48 GMT+1, "CtrlAltDel"
<Altie@BHam.com> sacó de su cabeza:
There is only a finite amount of materials on Planet Earth and we all
need to do our part to conserve in order to make the world a better
place. That's how I feel about it, but I'm American and we all think
like that, whereas many others around the world probably don't.
american or not, you're definitely a troll...
Leaving your xenophobic mentality aside, I was only inquiring about
something I wasn't sure about. That hardly makes me a troll.
On 2025-05-14, CtrlAltDel wrote:
[...]
It just goes on and on and on. I would rather have just converted my HDD >> drives into SSD's like I originally stated but, I guess that isn't
possible.
Why are you so against using a ready-made SSD, and physically swapping
out the HDD you currently have?
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done,
although I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I
currently have.
 To: CtrlAltDel
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done,
although I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I
currently have.
Why not find someone that WILL use the HDD's? That way they aren't
'junked'?
On Sat, 5/17/2025 11:02 PM, Jimmy Anderson wrote:
 To: CtrlAltDel
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done,
although I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and >> Ct> parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be
recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I
currently have.
Why not find someone that WILL use the HDD's? That way they aren't
'junked'?
The S.M.A.R.T table can tell you what shape the drives are in.
As can a read benchmark.
"gnome-disks" has a benchmark window for the entire disk drive,
from the upper right three-ball menu. You're looking for "downward spikes" indicating excess re-allocations, as an indication
of whether the drive is still suited to main usage.
I usually deassert the tick box for write benchmark, and only do reads.
It is hard for me to say whether the benchmarks are accurate. The main purpose of running a bench, is to check for "smoothness". There have
been problems in the past, with more than one benchmark not being
able to measure speed properly. Some need a bug fix for this.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ5GLTsW/disk-drive-testing.gif
I sort the drives into three piles.
1) Unconditional use. Transfer curve is relatively smooth.
I had not seen this idea of a transfer curve before. Interesting.
As long as the computer was not busy those instants. The test can take many hours to run.
On Sun, 5/18/2025 12:44 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
) Unconditional use. Transfer curve is relatively smooth.
I had not seen this idea of a transfer curve before. Interesting.
As long as the computer was not busy those instants. The test can take many hours to run.
The benchmarks take tiny samples. The setting for the picture was
"1000 samples of 10MB each". That means a kind of crude statistical
sample. if you play with the settings, you might notice the interaction between those settings choices, and the amount of "artifacts" in the
trace.
I'm only reading a small fraction of the drive surface. I'm taking
a thousand samples. I hope I hit the track that has the huge
number of reallocations on it, to get a representative sample.
I *have* set up a disk before, to bench the whole thing, inch by inch,
from end to end. That took five hours and a "custom technique" not
suited for others.
Any scheme you offer for "vetting" disks, can't particularly
have a long execution time, as then users won't use it. As long
as the bench runs in a couple minutes, most people can manage that.
The thing is, we need to teach people of the need to "vet" disks
before it is TOO LATE. I hate listening to someone whine about
their drive full of CRC errors, and their fervent hope all the
data will be rescued by some miracle. I hope that maybe, maybe,
just once, someone will follow the instructions to bench a drive,
and notice it is sick, and get the data off before the disk is ruined.
It should be noted, that the zone recording scheme of disks,
has "peculiar behavior". An ex-employee at a disk company, was
explaining some of this on his web site (until the company lawyers
detected the leak and shut him down). Some of the disk drives
you buy *cannot* have smooth edges in the graph. The ripple in
the transfer rate, is due to how the tracks are set up, and
the rate on each track can be custom.
Some drives, just the main zones are visible. Each zone is "flat as
a straight edge" on top. For those drives, excursions in
storage performance show up well. The hard drives (even modern
ones) with "gravel on the edges of the graph", it is then
harder to spot real/mechanical trouble as a result. The drive
looks "slightly flaky" from the first day you use it. (And no,
that is not supposed to be an SMR drive either, it's a PMR
with gravel on the bench graph.)
If at first, your two minute bench does not look "pretty",
try adjusting the number of samples and the sample width, and
see if that modifies the artifacts from the benching method.
When hard drives leave the factory, they already have reallocations
on them. The reason the "Reallocated" SMART parameter is not an
honest, linear, indicator is because customers would "cherry pick"
drives and keep sending hard drives back to Newegg, until
they got a "perfect one". To stop that from happening, the
Reallocated statistic always reads 0 when the drive leaves
the factory. This prevents those "special" customers from using
a precision Reallocated statistic, to cherry pick drives.
But because the Reallocated statistic is not an honest one,
we cannot "chart" the health of the drive over its lifetime,
and plot "reallocations versus time". It is for this reason,
that I use the read benchmark as a "proxy for surface damage".
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
               Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
On Sat, 5/17/2025 11:02 PM, Jimmy Anderson wrote:
 To: CtrlAltDel
CtrlAltDel wrote to alt.os.linux <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux
Thanks for the responses, everyone, both genuine and sarcastic. I'm
beginning to get the idea that what I wish to do can't be done,
although I'm still not sure why.
The thing is, I hate to waste anything. Just think of all the metal and >> Ct> parts and cards and plastic, etc... that will be useless and can't be
recycled or anything if I can no longer use the 3 HDD drives I
currently have.
Why not find someone that WILL use the HDD's? That way they aren't
'junked'?
The S.M.A.R.T table can tell you what shape the drives are in.
As can a read benchmark.
"gnome-disks" has a benchmark window for the entire disk drive,
from the upper right three-ball menu. You're looking for "downward spikes" indicating excess re-allocations, as an indication
of whether the drive is still suited to main usage.
I usually deassert the tick box for write benchmark, and only do reads.
It is hard for me to say whether the benchmarks are accurate. The main purpose of running a bench, is to check for "smoothness". There have
been problems in the past, with more than one benchmark not being
able to measure speed properly. Some need a bug fix for this.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ5GLTsW/disk-drive-testing.gif
I sort the drives into three piles.
1) Unconditional use. Transfer curve is relatively smooth.
2) Not for regular use. Like the drive in the picture, some
signs of wear are present.
3) The third level, is the "close to failure level". The
downward spikes are 50GB wide, and the slowness of the drive is
apparent. The "Reallocated" raw data box, is not zero and
might read 200 or 300. This is a drive with limited
remaining spare sectors. It still works as well as (2),
but is just less trustworthy. There could be room for the
reallocated to show up to 5500, but the application may
not tolerate the condition of the drive all the way to max.
It might take "ddrescue" from package "gddrescue", to copy the disk.
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
               Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
       Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
       Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
OK, added to my notes file.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>>         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
OK, added to my notes file.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:OK, added to my notes file.
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
        Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0 >>>>         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0 >>>
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
Yeah, current limit. My sample big drive (only an 18TB one), it
takes a while to spin up, and it also screws around a bit before
it becomes ready. It's not just loading the firmware off the
platter (which is the minimal requirement).
I notice they're allowing drives up to and including 14TB
to breathe air, and I bet one of those would be slow to start.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 01:37, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 5/18/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 21:40, Paul wrote:OK, added to my notes file.
if the disk drive company won't be honest with us, we have to
come up with some sort of solution for an early warning.
At least Seagate disks come now with a very extended logs. In Linux I obtained them with "smartctl -d sat -l farm /dev/sdX":
This is the end part of one:
                 Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
         Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
         Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0 >>>>>          Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0 >>>>
If you want to see the full log, I can post it. I had a look just after purchase, checking to see the disk was actually new.
That must be a decent capacity disk, to have that many heads.
Five platters I guess.
It is a "Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 10TB 3.5" SATA 3". I can't believe it has that many heads. But it takes 30 seconds to start up, so the platters must be heavy, or the motor is current limited.
Yeah, current limit. My sample big drive (only an 18TB one), it
takes a while to spin up, and it also screws around a bit before
it becomes ready. It's not just loading the firmware off the
platter (which is the minimal requirement).
I notice they're allowing drives up to and including 14TB
to breathe air, and I bet one of those would be slow to start.
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
On Mon, 5/19/2025 6:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
There was a press release some time ago, indicating they were
working on thinner platters, in order to squeeze more platters
into the one inch high drive housings. The thin platters may
be made of glass, and then the plated-up stack is put on the
outside.
*******
It's a good question why they couldn't use Nitrogen. Or for that
matter, why the air-HDA could not be sealed. Helium might have a
different viscosity, and "flying characteristic" for the head,
which is why the Helium pressure is a bit above atmospheric.
The air breather drives were supposed to be that way, to avoid
"tin-canning" of the lid, as barometric pressure changes. The Helium
drives on the other hand, have two lid plates, one gas-tignt, one
plate a mechanical reinforcement. If they used a fancy lid, I don't
see why they couldn't seal the air-based drive. The data recovery
people aren't going to like it. There have already been some
joke videos, where they portray their attempts to try to get the lid
off a Helium drive (welded on), for data recovery.
It means if you have a Helium drive, and you let it get too old and
crusty, data recovery might be more difficult (or do-able by fewer
people), than the air drives that unscrew easily.
The head stack in a Helium drive, would only have the correct flying
height under Helium fill to the correct pressure. If the housing
was filled with air, it is unclear whether you could even make it work
well with air present. The heads have "lift" and the lift surface
is scaled according to the gas being used. The "lift" effect counteracts
the spring constant of the arms. The flying scheme allows the drive
to run on six-axis.
On 2025-05-19 18:05, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 6:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:14, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 5/19/2025 5:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Yes, it is an air breather, I noticed the hole covered with some kind
of gauze or filter.
They could just fill with nitrogen, if helium is expensive.
The platters are thinner, when there are a lot of platters
in there, so they don't have to be as heavy as the platters
in a four platter drive.
I guess. This is not a fridge sized disk, after all :-)
There was a press release some time ago, indicating they were
working on thinner platters, in order to squeeze more platters
into the one inch high drive housings. The thin platters may
be made of glass, and then the plated-up stack is put on the
outside.
*******
It's a good question why they couldn't use Nitrogen. Or for that
matter, why the air-HDA could not be sealed. Helium might have a
different viscosity, and "flying characteristic" for the head,
which is why the Helium pressure is a bit above atmospheric.
The air breather drives were supposed to be that way, to avoid
"tin-canning" of the lid, as barometric pressure changes. The Helium
drives on the other hand, have two lid plates, one gas-tignt, one
plate a mechanical reinforcement. If they used a fancy lid, I don't
see why they couldn't seal the air-based drive. The data recovery
people aren't going to like it. There have already been some
joke videos, where they portray their attempts to try to get the lid
off a Helium drive (welded on), for data recovery.
It means if you have a Helium drive, and you let it get too old and
crusty, data recovery might be more difficult (or do-able by fewer
people), than the air drives that unscrew easily.
The head stack in a Helium drive, would only have the correct flying
height under Helium fill to the correct pressure. If the housing
was filled with air, it is unclear whether you could even make it work
well with air present. The heads have "lift" and the lift surface
is scaled according to the gas being used. The "lift" effect counteracts
the spring constant of the arms. The flying scheme allows the drive
to run on six-axis.
They might even use hydrogen. It is a similar density to helium but far easier to obtain. Yes, it is flammable, but there is not that much gas,
and it is sealed.
Well, welding is a problem, though :-DD
On 20-05-2025 02:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 18:05, Paul wrote:
They might even use hydrogen. It is a similar density to helium but The problem with hydrogen might be that it diffuses easily in/through materials. In the long run it might affect the pressure within. It
far easier to obtain. Yes, it is flammable, but there is not that much
gas, and it is sealed.
Well, welding is a problem, though :-DD
also makes metals brittle.
Helium should also diffuse easily, no? But hydrogen reacts, helium
doesn't.
"Carlos E. R." writes:
Helium should also diffuse easily, no? But hydrogen reacts, helium
doesn't.
Low temperature hydrogen embrittlement primarily affects high strength
or hardened steels. It does not affect aluminum and copper.
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To help >> save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no more
clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my brother-in-law
gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
Now I am happy[cut]
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To
help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no
more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my
brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 10:11:55 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2025-05-26, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I wanted to come back and update everyone on what options I chose. To
help save Mother Earth and to create no more waste and to purchase no
more clutter from capitalists to foul up our air and water, my
brother-in-law gave me some of his old SSD's he was no longer using.
Here's hoping they weren't abused too much, and they last a while.
My niece had glued the feet of a barbie doll to one of them and was using
it as a stand for the doll. I just scraped the glue off with a pocket
knife and it seems to work fine.
The other one, she had used finger nail polish to paint flowers and grass on, but I just used some polish remover to get all that off with and it seems okay too.
She's only 10 years old and I could tell she was a little upset I was
taking her toys away. To compensate for that, I told her I would whittle her some wood sticks so she could build a little house for her pet
hamster.
If this is a problem, remember that the metal cases unscrew. and inside
is an autonomous PCB that works without the case being present.
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16480/IMGP9045_575px.jpg
If operating the PCB without the covers on it, you would need to be
careful that any active circuitry does not touch a chassis ground. That
means using the tiny cable ties, the nylon ones and arranging the SSD
PCB so it does not touch anything. a lot of cases, just don't have the convenient mount-points to do that.
Some SSDs have plastic bodies.
Some are metal (and the metal is at ground potential).
The metal ones made from a sheet steel, some of those scratch very
easily and can be cosmetically damaged such that the store won't accept
them as a return (open box) item unless they are in mint-condition. Such drives are to be avoided, from a warranty or return perspective, because
they scratch way too easily. If you screw one of those drives into the
laptop metal tray, that scratches up the paint too.
On some, the screws are in obvious locations and one of the screws is
covered with an anti-tamper sticker (Intel).
On others, it's possible the generous-sized label covers the screw that
holds the two case halves together.
I'm thinking about giving her my penny collection I've been collecting
from all my spare change for the last year. I would guess there is at
least 30 dollars worth of pennies in the jug.
On Wed, 5/28/2025 3:14 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I'm thinking about giving her my penny collection I've been collectingWhen I took thirty years of change to the bank, it amounted to around
from all my spare change for the last year. I would guess there is at
least 30 dollars worth of pennies in the jug.
$1500. The requirement to roll the submitted coins, is why nobody
normally takes them back to the bank. When they got a sorting machine
for coins,
I dumped my entire collection. You never know how much money is tied up
in change, until you redeem it.
You could buy a lot of Barbie dolls with $1500.
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