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On 8/11/2025 2:04 PM, dbush wrote:

On 8/11/2025 3:00 PM, olcott wrote:

On 8/11/2025 1:51 PM, dbush wrote:

On 8/11/2025 2:50 PM, olcott wrote:

On 8/11/2025 1:45 PM, dbush wrote:

On 8/11/2025 2:40 PM, olcott wrote:

On 8/11/2025 1:33 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:

On 11/08/2025 18:48, olcott wrote:

On 8/11/2025 11:42 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:

On 11/08/2025 17:29, olcott wrote:

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I have proven that DD correctly simulated by HHH

No, you haven't. You have asserted that the simulation is
correct, but we all know that it derives a different result >>>>>>>>> from that produced by direct execution, and therefore we all >>>>>>>>> know that the simulation is not correct.

You can only fully know that your assumption is incorrect
when you notice that no specific error exists.

The specific error is that you get the wrong answer.

It is incorrect to say it *is* a wrong answer until after
a specific error in the basis of this answer is found.

It's the wrong answer because it doesn't meet the required
specification:

That merely presumes that the required specification
is correct.

It's correct because I want to know if any arbitrary algorithm X with
input Y will halt when executed directly.

Likewise I want to know the radius of a square circle
that has a length of 2.0 of one of its equal length
four sides.

The difference is that every algorithm X with input Y either halts or
does not halt when executed directly, so there is a correct answer in
all cases.

Because no Turing machine ever takes another
Turing machine as an input no Turing machine can
directly compute the mapping from an input that
is not in its domain.

In all but one case input ⟨M⟩ to simulating halt
decider H has the exact same behavior machine M.

M.q0 ⟨M⟩ ⊢* M.H ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ ⊢* M.qy
M.q0 ⟨M⟩ ⊢* M.H ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ ⊢* M.qn
(a) M copies its input ⟨M⟩
(b) M invokes M.H ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩
(c) M.H simulates ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩

When H is embedded within M then the behavior of
⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ simulated by M.H cannot possibly reach a final
halt state, even if there is no loop trick at the end.

The halting problem definition assumes that this case
does not exist. Thus they used the short-hand that
H applied to ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ is reporting on M applied to ⟨M⟩.
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