• the naive halting problem is now corrected

    From olcott@polcott333@gmail.com to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.ai.philosophy on Sat Aug 16 09:20:10 2025
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    I am doing the same thing that ZFC did to the
    Russell's Paradox problem. Since ZFC set theory
    is now called naive set theory.

    After my correction the original halting problem
    will be called *the naive halting problem*

    *Correcting the error of the halting problem spec*
    Is it possible to create a halt decider H that consistently
    reports the halt status of the behavior specified by its
    input finite string Turing machine description P on the
    basis of P correctly simulated by H?

    <Input to LLM systems>
    Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
    (a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern: abort simulation and
    return 0.
    (b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement: return 1.

    typedef int (*ptr)();
    int HHH(ptr P);

    int DD()
    {
    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
    if (Halt_Status)
    HERE: goto HERE;
    return Halt_Status;
    }

    What value should HHH(DD) correctly return?
    <Input to LLM systems>

    *The corrected halting problem spec says* HHH(DD)==0

    Three different LLM AI systems figured this out
    on their own without prompting.

    https://claude.ai/share/da9e56ba-f4e9-45ee-9f2c-dc5ffe10f00c

    https://chatgpt.com/share/68939ee5-e2f8-8011-837d-438fe8e98b9c

    https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_810120bb-5ab5-4bf8-af21-eedd0f09e141
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  • From Bonita Montero@Bonita.Montero@gmail.com to comp.theory,comp.lang.c++,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.lang.c on Sun Aug 17 16:57:08 2025
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    Am 16.08.2025 um 16:20 schrieb olcott:
    I am doing the same thing that ZFC did to the
    Russell's Paradox problem. Since ZFC set theory
    is now called naive set theory.

    After my correction the original halting problem
    will be called *the naive halting problem*

    *Correcting the error of the halting problem spec*
    Is it possible to create a halt decider H that consistently
    reports the halt status of the behavior specified by its
    input finite string Turing machine description P on the
    basis of P correctly simulated by H?

    <Input to LLM systems>
    Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
    (a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern: abort simulation and
    return 0.
    (b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement: return 1.

    typedef int (*ptr)();
    int HHH(ptr P);

    int DD()
    {
      int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
      if (Halt_Status)
        HERE: goto HERE;
      return Halt_Status;
    }

    What value should HHH(DD) correctly return?
    <Input to LLM systems>

    *The corrected halting problem spec says* HHH(DD)==0

    Three different LLM AI systems figured this out
    on their own without prompting.

    https://claude.ai/share/da9e56ba-f4e9-45ee-9f2c-dc5ffe10f00c

    https://chatgpt.com/share/68939ee5-e2f8-8011-837d-438fe8e98b9c

    https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_810120bb-5ab5-4bf8-af21- eedd0f09e141


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  • From olcott@polcott333@gmail.com to comp.theory,comp.lang.c++,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.lang.c on Sun Aug 17 10:12:20 2025
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    On 8/17/2025 9:57 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
    Am 16.08.2025 um 16:20 schrieb olcott:
    I am doing the same thing that ZFC did to the
    Russell's Paradox problem. Since ZFC set theory
    is now called naive set theory.

    After my correction the original halting problem
    will be called *the naive halting problem*

    *Correcting the error of the halting problem spec*
    Is it possible to create a halt decider H that consistently
    reports the halt status of the behavior specified by its
    input finite string Turing machine description P on the
    basis of P correctly simulated by H?

    <Input to LLM systems>
    Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
    (a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern: abort simulation and
    return 0.
    (b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement: return 1.

    typedef int (*ptr)();
    int HHH(ptr P);

    int DD()
    {
       int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
       if (Halt_Status)
         HERE: goto HERE;
       return Halt_Status;
    }

    What value should HHH(DD) correctly return?
    <Input to LLM systems>

    *The corrected halting problem spec says* HHH(DD)==0

    Three different LLM AI systems figured this out
    on their own without prompting.

    https://claude.ai/share/da9e56ba-f4e9-45ee-9f2c-dc5ffe10f00c

    https://chatgpt.com/share/68939ee5-e2f8-8011-837d-438fe8e98b9c

    https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_810120bb-5ab5-4bf8-af21-
    eedd0f09e141


    You're always wrong and ereryone knows it.


    If that was true then they could point out the error
    that five different LLM systems made when they figured
    out my same reasoning on their own without being prompted.

    All of the recent rebuttals of the essence of my work
    are provable counter-factual.

    It is a verified fact that DD correctly simulated by HHH
    cannot possibly reach its own simulated "return" statement
    final halt state thus making HHH(DD)==0 necessarily correct.

    *Here is a PhD computer science professor that agrees*
    *with that essence of my work long before I ever said it*

    *Professor Hehner recognized this repeating process before I did*
    From a programmer's point of view, if we apply
    an interpreter to a program text that includes
    a call to that same interpreter with that same
    text as argument, then we have an infinite loop.

    A halting program has some of the same character
    as an interpreter: it applies to texts through
    abstract interpretation. Unsurprisingly, if we
    apply a halting program to a program text that
    includes a call to that same halting program
    with that same text as argument, then we have an
    infinite loop. (Hehner:2011:15)

    [5] E C R Hehner. Problems with the Halting Problem,
    COMPUTING2011 Symposium on 75 years of Turing Machine
    and Lambda-Calculus, Karlsruhe Germany, invited,
    2011 October 20-21; Advances in Computer Science
    and Engineering v.10 n.1 p.31-60, 2013 https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/PHP.pdf
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    Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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