• Ben's objection finally fully addressed --- Succinct First Principles

    From olcott@NoOne@NoWhere.com to comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.math on Fri Dec 12 07:31:25 2025
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    <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
    If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
    input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
    would never stop running unless aborted then

    H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
    specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
    </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

    On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:

    I don't think that is the shell game.
    PO really /has/ an H (it's trivial to do for
    this one case) that correctly determines that P(P)
    *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.

    He knows and accepts that P(P) actually does stop.
    The wrong answer is justified by what would
    happen if H (and hence a different P) where not
    what they actually are.


    Principle 1: Turing machine deciders compute functions
    from finite strings to {accept, reject} according to
    whether the input has a syntactic property or specifies
    a semantic property.

    Principle 2: We measure the semantic property that
    the finite string specifies by a UTM-based halt
    decider that simulates its input finite string
    step-by-step and watches the execution trace of
    this behavior.
    --
    Copyright 2025 Olcott

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    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable.

    This required establishing a new foundation
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