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In going through some old files, I found a zip file:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold ftpusers 18137948 Jun 12 2013 TAWKCompilerI.zip

It has PDFs and a text file documenting the use of tawk 5.0. I've
made it available for download at:

https://www.skeeve.com/TAWKCompilerI.zip

I have offered it to bitsavers.org, but haven't heard back yet from
them.

If you're interested, get it now. I'm not sure how long I'm going to
leave it there for.
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In article <67bd90eb$0$714$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

In going through some old files, I found a zip file:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold ftpusers 18137948 Jun 12 2013 TAWKCompilerI.zip

It has PDFs and a text file documenting the use of tawk 5.0. I've
made it available for download at:

https://www.skeeve.com/TAWKCompilerI.zip

I have offered it to bitsavers.org, but haven't heard back yet from
them.

Interesting. Any idea where this came from? The dates are too recent for
it to have come from Pat Thompson, so I assume it was some 3rd party.
Perhaps the guy who has posted here occasionally with new Windows versions
of TAWK?

Note, BTW, that the ".doc" file is not a text file. Presumably, it is an
MS Word document.
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In article <vpkpn1$njmu$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <67bd90eb$0$714$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

In going through some old files, I found a zip file:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold ftpusers 18137948 Jun 12 2013 TAWKCompilerI.zip

It has PDFs and a text file documenting the use of tawk 5.0. I've
made it available for download at:

https://www.skeeve.com/TAWKCompilerI.zip

I have offered it to bitsavers.org, but haven't heard back yet from
them.

Interesting. Any idea where this came from?

No idea. I am doing some cleaning up of stuff on my disk.

Note, BTW, that the ".doc" file is not a text file. Presumably, it is an
MS Word document.

My bad. Yeah. Libreoffice opens it just fine.
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Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com
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arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) writes:

In going through some old files, I found a zip file:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold ftpusers 18137948 Jun 12 2013 TAWKCompilerI.zip

It has PDFs and a text file documenting the use of tawk 5.0. I've
made it available for download at:

https://www.skeeve.com/TAWKCompilerI.zip

I have offered it to bitsavers.org, but haven't heard back yet from
them.

If you're interested, get it now. I'm not sure how long I'm going to
leave it there for.

The TAWK compiler is (was) from Thompson Automation Software (no
relation).

"""
The Thompson AWK language, or TAWK for short, is a vastly improved
compiled version of the normally interpreted awk language. Unlike awk,
TAWK is a robust general purpose programming language that can handle
any programming task. For those unfamiliar with awk, the TAWK language resembles the "C" programming language, but is much easier to use and
has extensive built-in error checking that eliminates program
crashes. Unlike "C", TAWK includes powerful built-in functions for
searching, sorting and manipulating text and data-base records making it especially valuable for these types of applications.
"""

Described here: <http://www.tasoft.com/tawk.html> (last updated in
2003; I'm impressed that the website still exists).

"Thompson Automation Software has ceased actively selling software."

They also sold the "Thompson Toolkit", which apparently provided
UNIX-like shells and tools for DOS, OS/2, and Windows.

I see nothing indicating how their software can be obtained or how much
it would have cost.
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On 2/25/25 4:06 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:

Described here:<http://www.tasoft.com/tawk.html> (last updated in
2003; I'm impressed that the website still exists).

"Thompson Automation Software has ceased actively selling software."

They also sold the "Thompson Toolkit", which apparently provided
UNIX-like shells and tools for DOS, OS/2, and Windows.

I see nothing indicating how their software can be obtained or how much
it would have cost.

I found a price list on the Internet Archive; IIRC single seat for
toolkit and TAWK compiler was ~$200 (late 90s).

While poking around I found a MKS Toolkit which sounds very similar to
this and is a current offering from PTC (Parametric Technology Corp;
they mostly do CAD stuff).

-AI
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In article <vplmqp$b7g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Arti F. Idiot <addr@is.invalid> wrote:

While poking around I found a MKS Toolkit which sounds very similar to
this and is a current offering from PTC (Parametric Technology Corp;
they mostly do CAD stuff).

The MKS toolkit is as you described, it's been around for ages. Like
almost 40 years. The awk from it became the POSIX awk in Solaris. The
source can be found and made to work under Linux if one works at it.
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On 27.02.2025 09:44, Aharon Robbins wrote:

The MKS toolkit is as you described, it's been around for ages. Like
almost 40 years. The awk from it became the POSIX awk in Solaris. [...]

Interesting. - BTW...

Many years ago I tried to find out where the Mac OS_X Awk stems from.
Back then I could not find any hint on that.

Does anyone know what Awk version is/was the base of Apple's Awk?

Janis

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Janis,

Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:

On 27.02.2025 09:44, Aharon Robbins wrote:

The MKS toolkit is as you described, it's been around for ages. Like
almost 40 years. The awk from it became the POSIX awk in Solaris. [...]

Interesting. - BTW...

Many years ago I tried to find out where the Mac OS_X Awk stems from.
Back then I could not find any hint on that.

Does anyone know what Awk version is/was the base of Apple's Awk?

At https://opensource.apple.com/releases/ you will find which macOS
release includes which Apple build of AWK. You can also run strings on
the awk executable and grep for PROJECT, which for me (macOS Sequoia)
shows:

@(#)PROGRAM:awk PROJECT:awk-40

At https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/awk you can then find the
latest version (awk-40) on main and older versions on their own branch.
For all but the oldest there is an awk.plist file. In there you see:

<key>OpenSourceWebsiteURL</key>
<string>https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk</string>

So, macOS AWK appears to be BWK AWK.

Hope this helps.
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On 27.02.2025 20:30, Alex Bochannek wrote:

[...]
Many years ago I tried to find out where the Mac OS_X Awk stems from.
Back then I could not find any hint on that.

Does anyone know what Awk version is/was the base of Apple's Awk?

[...]

At https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/awk you can then find the latest version (awk-40) on main and older versions on their own branch.
[...]
https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk</string>

So, macOS AWK appears to be BWK AWK.

Hope this helps.

Yes, thanks.

It says "The One True Awk" and "Copyright (C) Lucent Technologies 1997".
I wasn't aware about the actual copyright holder.

Janis

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In article <m2eczjqj7k.fsf@bochannek.com>,
Alex Bochannek <alex@bochannek.com> wrote:

So, macOS AWK appears to be BWK AWK.

Indeed, it has been based on BWK awk for many years, but they tend to
lag behind it. awk --version on macos should give you some idea of what
they started with.
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On 28.02.2025 14:07, Aharon Robbins wrote:

In article <m2eczjqj7k.fsf@bochannek.com>,
Alex Bochannek <alex@bochannek.com> wrote:

So, macOS AWK appears to be BWK AWK.

Indeed, it has been based on BWK awk for many years, but they tend to
lag behind it. awk --version on macos should give you some idea of what
they started with.

When I had my hands on some Apple quite some years ago I tried all
sorts of things; looking for identifying strings or SCCS IDs in the
binary, trying various typical command line switches to get such
information (also --version), but to no avail. - So thanks for the
information and confirmation.

Janis

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