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“A sobering, short-term warning about artificial intelligence and white-collar jobs”

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/08/a-sobering-short-term-warning-about.html

“Basically, any white-collar job (management, technical, administrative, whatever) is under threat.”

“Mo Gawdat, the former chief business officer of Google X, has a stark message for white-collar professionals: Artificial intelligence isn’t
just coming for entry-level work — it’s coming for everyone, including software developers, CEOs, and podcasters.”

“In a Monday conversation on the “Diary of a CEO” podcast, Gawdat predicted that most knowledge workers would be replaced in the next
decade and said many still underestimated just how rapidly this
transformation would unfold.”

“He cited his own startup, Emma.love, which builds emotional and relationship-focused artificial intelligence and is run by just three people.”

“”That startup would have been 350 developers in the past,” he said.”

I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging around
the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

Lynn

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:

I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging around the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

There was a recent study that using AI made developers who know
what they are doing slower, although they thought they were faster.
Also, my general observation (so far, at least) is that LLM-based
AIs are pretty useless for any work for which requires precision
(and, almost invariably, intuition) in engineering fields.
Maybe next year, maybe in five years, maybe never.
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In comp.lang.fortran Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

“A sobering, short-term warning about artificial intelligence and white-collar jobs”

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/08/a-sobering-short-term-warning-about.html

<snip>

I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging
around the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

I agree with this, & do not forget COBOL :) Github's
CEO came out with something similar as what Bayou said
yesterday I think. Remember, almost all CEOs moved up
through marketing or finance. They have do idea what
development is.

I think these CEOs are in a dreamworld about AI. I have
been programming for multiple decades and have seen many
iterations of that dream. All it did was create more jobs
for developers and raised their pay. I expect nothing
different from AI.

Lynn

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On 8/5/2025 8:48 PM, John McCue wrote:

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In comp.lang.fortran Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

“A sobering, short-term warning about artificial intelligence and
white-collar jobs”

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/08/a-sobering-short-term-warning-about.html

<snip>

I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging
around the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

I agree with this, & do not forget COBOL :) Github's
CEO came out with something similar as what Bayou said
yesterday I think. Remember, almost all CEOs moved up
through marketing or finance. They have do idea what
development is.

I think these CEOs are in a dreamworld about AI. I have
been programming for multiple decades and have seen many
iterations of that dream. All it did was create more jobs
for developers and raised their pay. I expect nothing
different from AI.

Lynn

I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
Never again.

Lynn

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On 2025-08-06, John McCue wrote:

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In comp.lang.fortran Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

“A sobering, short-term warning about artificial intelligence and
white-collar jobs”

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/08/a-sobering-short-term-warning-about.html

<snip>

I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging
around the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

I agree with this, & do not forget COBOL :) Github's
CEO came out with something similar as what Bayou said
yesterday I think. Remember, almost all CEOs moved up
through marketing or finance. They have do idea what
development is.

I think these CEOs are in a dreamworld about AI. I have
been programming for multiple decades and have seen many
iterations of that dream. All it did was create more jobs
for developers and raised their pay. I expect nothing
different from AI.

The main problem with "AI" as we know it today is that it's going to gut
a lot of the "junior" roles (programmer, what-have-you), since there is
kind of a big push of "you don't need that new kid to do this for you,
just ask the AI!"

Which kind of has echoes of a story my grandma told me once (she was a
computer for a bit) along the lines of her department having to re-do a
week's work because "The IBM" came up with a different answer. Turned
out the machine was wrong...

I'm not sure it's going away, but it's definitely going to change the
landscape (unless / until it absolutely cripples some big name company).
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In comp.lang.fortran John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

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Found a typo, this statement:
Remember, almost all CEOs moved up through
marketing or finance. They have do idea what
development is.

Was suppose to say :)
Remember, almost all CEOs moved up through
marketing or finance. They have *NO* idea
what development is.
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
Never again.

There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did continue after.

Has that all gone?
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On 8/6/2025 9:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
Never again.

There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did continue after.

Has that all gone?

I hear that Cobol is still going strong in ports from Mainframe
MVS/CMS/etc to Linux operating systems.

Lynn



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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:

On 8/6/2025 9:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
Never again.

There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did >> continue after.

Has that all gone?

I hear that Cobol is still going strong in ports from Mainframe
MVS/CMS/etc to Linux operating systems.

Lynn

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:

On 8/6/2025 9:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
Never again.

There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did >> continue after.

Has that all gone?

I hear that Cobol is still going strong in ports from Mainframe
MVS/CMS/etc to Linux operating systems.

Gcc just added GCC cobol: https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-15/changes.html#cobol
I guess somebody must want it for something.
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