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In article <15f0ff69ffcb0b25a08cace9d19b8b8522a828b1@i2pn2.org>,
dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/06/2025 9:51 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

In article <2025Jun8.095626@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:

It is occasionally useful to have conversions to a string that
not immediately prints. Even figforth had a (D.R) that was a
D.R without the type.

It's not in the fig-Forth Installation Manual / Glossary / Model Release ! >>>
http://wiki.yak.net/1089/fig-FORTH_Manuals_May79.pdf

nor in the source code.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ForthHub/FIG-Forth/refs/heads/master/fig.fth

I should have known better.
https://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/figdoc.zip
I remembered the way D. was reduced in the code to
D.R and confused the two mechanisms.

It's probably easier to justify (D.) than (D.R). If one needs to right-justify
numbers, chances are one will need to right-justify non-numeric strings as well.
For this reason I have S.R in the kernel and (S.R) as a library function.

(D.) is a good addition to a kernel. In 2023 it was added to ciforth's kernel. This honour is bestowed on less than half a dozen words since 2002 version 4.0.,
demonstrating that fig-forth was nearly perfect. Other words are NIP and $\ .

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On 9/06/2025 8:49 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

In article <15f0ff69ffcb0b25a08cace9d19b8b8522a828b1@i2pn2.org>,
dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/06/2025 9:51 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

In article <2025Jun8.095626@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:

It is occasionally useful to have conversions to a string that
not immediately prints. Even figforth had a (D.R) that was a
D.R without the type.

It's not in the fig-Forth Installation Manual / Glossary / Model Release ! >>>>
http://wiki.yak.net/1089/fig-FORTH_Manuals_May79.pdf

nor in the source code.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ForthHub/FIG-Forth/refs/heads/master/fig.fth

I should have known better.
https://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/figdoc.zip
I remembered the way D. was reduced in the code to
D.R and confused the two mechanisms.

It's probably easier to justify (D.) than (D.R). If one needs to right-justify
numbers, chances are one will need to right-justify non-numeric strings as well.
For this reason I have S.R in the kernel and (S.R) as a library function.

(D.) is a good addition to a kernel. In 2023 it was added to ciforth's kernel.
This honour is bestowed on less than half a dozen words since 2002 version 4.0.,
demonstrating that fig-forth was nearly perfect. Other words are NIP and $\ .

Tried to load LIT's Roman code into FigForth for CP/M only to find it used non-Fig words NIP 2DROP TUCK 1- . I also needed something akin to S" to pass the numeric string to the routine. All edits had to done externally as no editor was present. After fixing all that the routine still didn't work properly. It appears LIT's code relies on a non-symmetric DO LOOP - which is not FigForth standard. Let's just say I won't be returning to FigForth any time soon. Once in a decade is enough to remind me 'Never again' :)

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Tried to load LIT's Roman code into FigForth for CP/M only to find it
used
non-Fig words NIP 2DROP TUCK 1- . I also needed something akin to S" to
pass
the numeric string to the routine. All edits had to done externally as
no
editor was present. After fixing all that the routine still didn't work properly. It appears LIT's code relies on a non-symmetric DO LOOP -
which is
not FigForth standard. Let's just say I won't be returning to FigForth
any
time soon. Once in a decade is enough to remind me 'Never again' :)

You may want to try this one:
https://www.forth.org/fig86new.zip
This is the one I'm tinkering with (just presently
I already heavily modified it) and its loops are
pretty standard, I believe (it's from 1982).

It started few years ago, when I was curious could
I make it assemble using MASM (it didn't want to...),
because it was prepared using some 'exotic' one, no
more available.

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albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:

Probably there is, revectoring EMIT and forcing the Forth to work
with single characters. Anton Ertl can show how it is done with
gforth.

Yes, but it seems to be implementation specific. Reasonable point about
<#... being in CORE. It always seemed to me that those words should
have been in an extension.
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