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Hello all,

Since I'm hardly ever using Windows at all, I discovered only recently
that it now has a dark mode. And I also discovered that the native Windows
ttk theme doesn't seem to care: whether the mode defined for applications
in the Windows preferences is light or dark, the native ttk theme is
light.

I looked in the TIPs to see if there was any plan to support Windows' dark mode at some point but couldn't find anything. Is this something
considered or is it not in the plans for the foreseeable future?

Thanks!
--
Eric
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On 4/30/25 10:10 AM, Eric Brunel wrote:

Hello all,

Since I'm hardly ever using Windows at all, I discovered only recently
that it now has a dark mode. And I also discovered that the native Windows ttk theme doesn't seem to care: whether the mode defined for applications
in the Windows preferences is light or dark, the native ttk theme is
light.

I looked in the TIPs to see if there was any plan to support Windows' dark mode at some point but couldn't find anything. Is this something
considered or is it not in the plans for the foreseeable future?

Thanks!

Marc Culler implemented theme switching for macOS - it's actually a
complex undertaking. He just did it without a TIP because it doesn't
require any new commands. Someone with equivalent Windows expertise
would need to take this on for the MS platform.
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Am 01.05.2025 um 16:06 schrieb Kevin Walzer:

On 4/30/25 10:10 AM, Eric Brunel wrote:

Hello all,

Since I'm hardly ever using Windows at all, I discovered only recently
that it now has a dark mode. And I also discovered that the native
Windows
ttk theme doesn't seem to care: whether the mode defined for applications
in the Windows preferences is light or dark, the native ttk theme is
light.

I looked in the TIPs to see if there was any plan to support Windows'
dark
mode at some point but couldn't find anything. Is this something
considered or is it not in the plans for the foreseeable future?

Thanks!

Marc Culler implemented theme switching for macOS - it's actually a
complex undertaking. He just did it without a TIP because it doesn't
require any new commands. Someone with equivalent Windows expertise
would need to take this on for the MS platform.

Yes, we have to make this question visible to magic Csaba ;-).

In the mean time, you may use one of the available dark themes.
But I don't know, if they are Tk 9 ready.
Here is my list:
- awdark: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl-awthemes/
scalable, great look, unfotunately, we lost Brad as developper...
- azure: https://github.com/rdbende/Azure-ttk-theme

Others on:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/List+of+ttk+Themes

Take care,
Harald
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On Thu, 1 May 2025 10:06:22 -0400, Kevin Walzer wrote:

Marc Culler implemented theme switching for macOS - it's actually a
complex undertaking. He just did it without a TIP because it doesn't
require any new commands. Someone with equivalent Windows expertise
would need to take this on for the MS platform.

I've seen what Mark did on macOS, and it's pretty impressive indeed. Makes tcl/tk application look like "first class citizens" in the environment,
it's really great.

Now since I posted here, I saw that quite a few other Windows applications don't switch to the dark theme when it's active either, so I guess people
are kind of used to it.

Thanks for the answer!
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On Fri, 2 May 2025 10:15:58 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

In the mean time, you may use one of the available dark themes.
But I don't know, if they are Tk 9 ready.
Here is my list:
- awdark: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl-awthemes/
scalable, great look, unfotunately, we lost Brad as developper...
- azure: https://github.com/rdbende/Azure-ttk-theme

Others on:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/List+of+ttk+Themes

Thanks Harald! I actually know about these themes, I actually use the
Azure themes a lot on Linux, they look really great. As for their tk9- readiness, the Azure themes suffer from the 'open' & 'leaf' states for treeview items becoming internal. So they would require a patched version
of tk to work as before, but that's an easy patch.
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Am 02.05.2025 um 15:30 schrieb Eric Brunel:

On Fri, 2 May 2025 10:15:58 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

In the mean time, you may use one of the available dark themes.
But I don't know, if they are Tk 9 ready.
Here is my list:
- awdark: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl-awthemes/
scalable, great look, unfotunately, we lost Brad as developper...
- azure: https://github.com/rdbende/Azure-ttk-theme

Others on:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/List+of+ttk+Themes

Thanks Harald! I actually know about these themes, I actually use the
Azure themes a lot on Linux, they look really great. As for their tk9- readiness, the Azure themes suffer from the 'open' & 'leaf' states for treeview items becoming internal. So they would require a patched version
of tk to work as before, but that's an easy patch.

Yes, the discussion here stalled and the TIP is pending:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/d632d28ba4

So much work to do...

Thanks,
Harald
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Am 02.05.25 um 10:15 schrieb Harald Oehlmann:

Am 01.05.2025 um 16:06 schrieb Kevin Walzer:

On 4/30/25 10:10 AM, Eric Brunel wrote:

Hello all,

Since I'm hardly ever using Windows at all, I discovered only recently
that it now has a dark mode. And I also discovered that the native
Windows
ttk theme doesn't seem to care: whether the mode defined for
applications
in the Windows preferences is light or dark, the native ttk theme is
light.

I looked in the TIPs to see if there was any plan to support Windows'
dark
mode at some point but couldn't find anything. Is this something
considered or is it not in the plans for the foreseeable future?

Thanks!

Marc Culler implemented theme switching for macOS - it's actually a
complex undertaking. He just did it without a TIP because it doesn't
require any new commands. Someone with equivalent Windows expertise
would need to take this on for the MS platform.

Yes, we have to make this question visible to magic Csaba ;-).

In the mean time, you may use one of the available dark themes.
But I don't know, if they are Tk 9 ready.
Here is my list:
- awdark: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl-awthemes/
  scalable, great look, unfotunately, we lost Brad as developper...
- azure: https://github.com/rdbende/Azure-ttk-theme

Others on:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/List+of+ttk+Themes

Take care,
Harald

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now hopelessly outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't provide any
"dark mode" support.
--
Csaba Nemethi https://www.nemethi.de mailto:csaba.nemethi@t-online.de
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On 5/2/25 21:50, nemethi wrote:

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now hopelessly outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't provide any
"dark mode" support.

Howdy Csaba,

out of curiosity, what are the contemporary alternatives?
In Win32 native sense, i.e. without Tk and ttk themery.

BR
Christian
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Am 02.05.25 um 23:45 schrieb undroidwish:

On 5/2/25 21:50, nemethi wrote:

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now hopelessly
outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't provide any
"dark mode" support.

Howdy Csaba,

out of curiosity, what are the contemporary alternatives?
In Win32 native sense, i.e. without Tk and ttk themery.

BR
Christian

Hi Christian,

I am (and have never been) a Windows expert, hence I am for sure not
competent enough to answer this question. But:

The Windows 11 system UI is based on the Fluent design system, using the relatively new WinUI library. This makes me to conclude that this
library is currently the right choice for new developments on Windows.

Best regards,

Csaba
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On 5/3/25 11:27, nemethi wrote:

Am 02.05.25 um 23:45 schrieb undroidwish:

On 5/2/25 21:50, nemethi wrote:

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now
hopelessly outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't
provide any "dark mode" support.

Howdy Csaba,

out of curiosity, what are the contemporary alternatives?
In Win32 native sense, i.e. without Tk and ttk themery.

BR
Christian

Hi Christian,

I am (and have never been) a Windows expert, hence I am for sure not competent enough to answer this question.  But:

The Windows 11 system UI is based on the Fluent design system, using the relatively new WinUI library.  This makes me to conclude that this
library is currently the right choice for new developments on Windows.

Thanks for the info, so I found this example:

https://github.com/driver1998/WinUI-MinGW

Ugh, XAML, C++ with lambada and coroutines, and whatnot.
For my share another little shop of horror compared to Tk.

Thanks again,
Christian
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Am 03.05.2025 um 12:58 schrieb undroidwish:

On 5/3/25 11:27, nemethi wrote:

Am 02.05.25 um 23:45 schrieb undroidwish:

On 5/2/25 21:50, nemethi wrote:

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now
hopelessly outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't
provide any "dark mode" support.

Howdy Csaba,

out of curiosity, what are the contemporary alternatives?
In Win32 native sense, i.e. without Tk and ttk themery.

BR
Christian

Hi Christian,

I am (and have never been) a Windows expert, hence I am for sure not
competent enough to answer this question.  But:

The Windows 11 system UI is based on the Fluent design system, using
the relatively new WinUI library.  This makes me to conclude that this
library is currently the right choice for new developments on Windows.

Thanks for the info, so I found this example:

 https://github.com/driver1998/WinUI-MinGW

Ugh, XAML, C++ with lambada and coroutines, and whatnot.
For my share another little shop of horror compared to Tk.

Thanks again,
Christian

Hi Csaba, Hi Christian,

yes, recent Windows UI requires the .net machinery to my knowledge.
Due to that, most real programs still use the old one.

But what would be doable IMHO:

- have a global platform independent switch "dark mode/light mode",
which is initialized in a platform-dependent way and may be changed
(like "tk scaling").
- provide this state to all themes
- adopt the standard themes to support a dark mode

Any Windows App with dark mode does not look like Windows any more.
The "look and Feel" is not unified.

Is this possible thinking ?

THanks for all,
Harald
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Am 02.05.2025 um 17:52 schrieb Harald Oehlmann:

Am 02.05.2025 um 15:30 schrieb Eric Brunel:

On Fri, 2 May 2025 10:15:58 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

In the mean time, you may use one of the available dark themes.
But I don't know, if they are Tk 9 ready.
Here is my list:
- awdark: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl-awthemes/
    scalable, great look, unfotunately, we lost Brad as developper... >>> - azure: https://github.com/rdbende/Azure-ttk-theme

Others on:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/List+of+ttk+Themes

Thanks Harald! I actually know about these themes, I actually use the
Azure themes a lot on Linux, they look really great. As for their tk9-
readiness, the Azure themes suffer from the 'open' & 'leaf' states for
treeview items becoming internal. So they would require a patched version
of tk to work as before, but that's an easy patch.

Yes, the discussion here stalled and the TIP is pending:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/d632d28ba4

So much work to do...

Thanks,
Harald

Please find now TIP 719:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tips/doc/trunk/tip/719.md
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Am 03.05.25 um 11:27 schrieb nemethi:

Am 02.05.25 um 23:45 schrieb undroidwish:

On 5/2/25 21:50, nemethi wrote:

The xpnative and vista themes are implemented using the now
hopelessly outdated UxTheme system, which - unfortunately - doesn't
provide any "dark mode" support.

Howdy Csaba,

out of curiosity, what are the contemporary alternatives?
In Win32 native sense, i.e. without Tk and ttk themery.

BR
Christian

Hi Christian,

I am (and have never been) a Windows expert, hence I am for sure not competent enough to answer this question.  But:

The Windows 11 system UI is based on the Fluent design system, using the relatively new WinUI library.  This makes me to conclude that this
library is currently the right choice for new developments on Windows.

Best regards,

Csaba

Necessary correction:

I am not (and have never been) a Windows expert, ...
^^^
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