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I have been porting a small GUI game ~1400LOC from Tcl/Tk 8.6 → 9.

**Changes for 8.6 → 9**

I used ~ for $HOME a few times in one function, so had to change that.

When drawing canvas polygons I found I was getting a 1 pixel black outline
that is _not_ present in the 8.6 version. So it appears that the default for outline has changed. I easily fixed this by adding `-outline ""` but didn't spot this in the Tk 9 release notes.

The biggest amount of work was with the namespace change. So I had to change
a lot of `board::...` to `::board::...` and similar. This was tedious but
not difficult.

**Changes since I was changing things**

I switched from sourcing Tcl files to using `.tm` modules; much nicer.

I switched from PNG images to SVG; again, much nicer.

**Scaling**

For scaling I use this line:

`if {[info exists env(TK_SCALING)]} {tk scaling $env(TK_SCALING)}`

and have an environment variable `TK_SCALING` which I set to different
values on my desktop and laptop.

However this doesn't work when I put a Tcl/Tk app in a taskbar launcher so
I'm going to add scaling as a config option too.

See Tcl/Tk 8.6: https://github.com/mark-summerfield/gravitate-tcl
and Tcl/Tk 9: https://github.com/mark-summerfield/gravitate-tcl9

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.
And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.
I really wish there was a general Tcl/Tk mailing list that could
be used.
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Am 10.06.2025 um 10:10 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I have been porting a small GUI game ~1400LOC from Tcl/Tk 8.6 → 9.

**Changes for 8.6 → 9**

I used ~ for $HOME a few times in one function, so had to change that.

When drawing canvas polygons I found I was getting a 1 pixel black outline that is _not_ present in the 8.6 version. So it appears that the default for outline has changed. I easily fixed this by adding `-outline ""` but didn't spot this in the Tk 9 release notes.

The biggest amount of work was with the namespace change. So I had to change a lot of `board::...` to `::board::...` and similar. This was tedious but
not difficult.

**Changes since I was changing things**

I switched from sourcing Tcl files to using `.tm` modules; much nicer.

I switched from PNG images to SVG; again, much nicer.

**Scaling**

For scaling I use this line:

`if {[info exists env(TK_SCALING)]} {tk scaling $env(TK_SCALING)}`

and have an environment variable `TK_SCALING` which I set to different
values on my desktop and laptop.

However this doesn't work when I put a Tcl/Tk app in a taskbar launcher so I'm going to add scaling as a config option too.

See Tcl/Tk 8.6: https://github.com/mark-summerfield/gravitate-tcl
and Tcl/Tk 9: https://github.com/mark-summerfield/gravitate-tcl9

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.
And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.
I really wish there was a general Tcl/Tk mailing list that could
be used.

Mark,
thanks for you effort.
The porting wiki pages are:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9&p https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tk+9&p

The -outline is not mentioned there. I suppose, this is a bug.
May you file a report?
If it is not a bug, it would be great to add it to the wiki page.

Thanks for all,
Harald


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I tried adding this to the wiki page:

```
## Canvas outline default has changed

When creating a canvas polygon in Tk 8.6 no outline is drawn by default.
For Tk 9 the default is to draw a 1 pixel black line. To get the old
behavior, create with the option `-outline ""`.
```

Incidentally, is it possible to change email address on core.tcl-lang.org?
When I click my username it offers options to change site skin, manage
cookies and change password, but not to change email.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 10:37:56 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 10.06.2025 um 10:10 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I have been porting a small GUI game ~1400LOC from Tcl/Tk 8.6 → 9.

[snip]

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.
And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.
I really wish there was a general Tcl/Tk mailing list that could be
used.

Mark,
thanks for you effort.
The porting wiki pages are:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9&p https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tk+9&p

The -outline is not mentioned there. I suppose, this is a bug.
May you file a report?
If it is not a bug, it would be great to add it to the wiki page.

Thanks for all,
Harald

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Marc,
great that you want to add this on the wiki.
Are you sure, this is intended and not a bug?
I would prefer to open a ticket.

Fossil does not save any E-Mail addresses, except for alerts (tickets
and modifications).
The E-Mail for those may be set.

Harald

Am 10.06.2025 um 11:18 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I tried adding this to the wiki page:

```
## Canvas outline default has changed

When creating a canvas polygon in Tk 8.6 no outline is drawn by default.
For Tk 9 the default is to draw a 1 pixel black line. To get the old behavior, create with the option `-outline ""`.
```

Incidentally, is it possible to change email address on core.tcl-lang.org? When I click my username it offers options to change site skin, manage cookies and change password, but not to change email.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 10:37:56 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 10.06.2025 um 10:10 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I have been porting a small GUI game ~1400LOC from Tcl/Tk 8.6 → 9.

[snip]

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.
And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.
I really wish there was a general Tcl/Tk mailing list that could be
used.

Mark,
thanks for you effort.
The porting wiki pages are:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9&p
https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tk+9&p

The -outline is not mentioned there. I suppose, this is a bug.
May you file a report?
If it is not a bug, it would be great to add it to the wiki page.

Thanks for all,
Harald

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Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account: https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

That was actually a good thing, because 99.8% of the SPAM posts on
Usenet were coming from Google.
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Thanks for the action.
Neverhteless, the change looks strange.
For doublecheck, I have opened a ticket.

Thanks for all,
Harald

Am 10.06.2025 um 11:18 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I tried adding this to the wiki page:

```
## Canvas outline default has changed

When creating a canvas polygon in Tk 8.6 no outline is drawn by default.
For Tk 9 the default is to draw a 1 pixel black line. To get the old behavior, create with the option `-outline ""`.
```

Incidentally, is it possible to change email address on core.tcl-lang.org? When I click my username it offers options to change site skin, manage cookies and change password, but not to change email.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 10:37:56 +0200, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 10.06.2025 um 10:10 schrieb Mark Summerfield:

I have been porting a small GUI game ~1400LOC from Tcl/Tk 8.6 → 9.

[snip]

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.
And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.
I really wish there was a general Tcl/Tk mailing list that could be
used.

Mark,
thanks for you effort.
The porting wiki pages are:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9&p
https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tk+9&p

The -outline is not mentioned there. I suppose, this is a bug.
May you file a report?
If it is not a bug, it would be great to add it to the wiki page.

Thanks for all,
Harald

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Rich <rich@example.invalid> schrieb:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account: >https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

That was actually a good thing, because 99.8% of the SPAM posts on
Usenet were coming from Google.

I can second this: For quite some years now I have an account with eternal-september and in all this time there were at most a handful of time-outs which usually were gone after a short while. And it is a
friendly service: you sign up and you never hear of them again.
Helmut
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 17:29:25 +0200, Helmut Giese wrote:

Rich <rich@example.invalid> schrieb:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account: >>https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

That was actually a good thing, because 99.8% of the SPAM posts on
Usenet were coming from Google.

I can second this: For quite some years now I have an account with eternal-september and in all this time there were at most a handful of time-outs which usually were gone after a short while. And it is a
friendly service: you sign up and you never hear of them again. Helmut

I am now using eternal-september.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page: https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to eternal-september?
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On 12/06/2025 08:06, Mark Summerfield wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 17:29:25 +0200, Helmut Giese wrote:

Rich <rich@example.invalid> schrieb:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account:
https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

That was actually a good thing, because 99.8% of the SPAM posts on
Usenet were coming from Google.

I can second this: For quite some years now I have an account with
eternal-september and in all this time there were at most a handful of
time-outs which usually were gone after a short while. And it is a
friendly service: you sign up and you never hear of them again. Helmut

I am now using eternal-september.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page: https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to eternal-september?

+1
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On 6/12/2025 12:36 PM, Mark Summerfield wrote:

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page: https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to eternal-september?

It would, and now done along with other stale information.
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Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 17:29:25 +0200, Helmut Giese wrote:

Rich <rich@example.invalid> schrieb:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account: >>>https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

I can second this: For quite some years now I have an account with
eternal-september and in all this time there were at most a handful of
time-outs which usually were gone after a short while. And it is a
friendly service: you sign up and you never hear of them again. Helmut

I am now using eternal-september.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page: https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to eternal-september?

The wiki is end-user-editable. You can make the appropriate change
yourself.
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Am 12.06.2025 um 16:28 schrieb Rich:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 17:29:25 +0200, Helmut Giese wrote:

Rich <rich@example.invalid> schrieb:

Mark Summerfield <m.n.summerfield@gmail.com> wrote:

PS My ISP has now stopped supporting newsgroup access.

Then sign up for an Eternal September account:
https://www.eternal-september.org/

And a few years ago Google stopped supporting them.

I can second this: For quite some years now I have an account with
eternal-september and in all this time there were at most a handful of
time-outs which usually were gone after a short while. And it is a
friendly service: you sign up and you never hear of them again. Helmut

I am now using eternal-september.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page:
https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to
eternal-september?

The wiki is end-user-editable. You can make the appropriate change
yourself.

Sorry, Rich, this is not on the Wiki.
But Ashok has edited the page!
Thanks a lot!
Harald
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Alan Grunwald <nospam.nurdglaw@gmail.com> posted:

On 12/06/2025 08:06, Mark Summerfield wrote:

Wouldn't it be a good idea to update the page: https://www.tcl-lang.org/community/
to drop the mentions of Google for the newsgroup and provide a link to eternal-september?

+1

Perhaps it's worth mentioning again that if you can't or would rather not install an NNTP client, you can get access through my web interface at: https://newsgrouper.org/comp.lang.tcl
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