• Almost all Apple native apps die in a short while if you don't log into Cupertino servers

    From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 4 21:19:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops
    working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple
    account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote,
    Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a
    login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated
    along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it.

    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which
    are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple
    ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that
    Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means
    that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting
    what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 4 15:55:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-04 14:19, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote,
    Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a
    login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    This is utterly false.


    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it.

    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    There is a difference between an app "dying" if you don't log in...

    ...and the need to occasionally log in when an application needs an update.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Jun 9 15:59:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Jun 4, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <101qit0$13n57$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-06-04 14:19, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    This is utterly false.

    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn’t have a SIM, not connected to wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn’t try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won’t work. The iPhone SE was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an
    iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which haven’t been updated in years.

    Checks iPad Pro 1st gen, no SIM, no wireless... Pages works. Keynote works. Tried Numbers on the iPad, I would NOT be running a spreadsheet on an iPhone, especxially one as small as an SE, but would have no roblems on an iPad.
    Older than the SE. Been gathering dust for years. was replaced by a 4th gen then by a 7th gen. Hasn’t been updated in years...

    Both are now connected to wireless and updating. Note: both were old company devices, parked in file cabinets at the office when they were replaced by newer devices. Both are being brought up to date as much as possible for use as emergency devices, which probably means they’ll be going back into storage. (Yes, both can do WiFi Calling, so they can send and recieve phobne calls. Yes, including the iPad.)

    The main problem was getting the latest versions of some custom (NOT Apple) apps, created by the company and sideloaded (yes, I know Arlen says that doesn’t work, he’s wrong) to install. The very latest versions require newer versions of iOS/iPadOS than coulds work on the ancient hardware, so we had to step back one version.

    One wonders where m’man Arlen gets these easily refuted lies, and why he even bothers trying.



    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it.

    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    There is a difference between an app "dying" if you don't log in...

    ...and the need to occasionally log in when an application needs an update.

    Arlen’s an idiot.

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  • From John Doe@john.doe@myemail.invalid to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Jun 9 20:12:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Jun 9, 2025 at 3:59:48 PM EDT, "WolfFan" <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On Jun 4, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <101qit0$13n57$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-06-04 14:19, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows >>> system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops
    working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple
    account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote,
    Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into >>> Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a
    login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    This is utterly false.

    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn’t have a SIM, not connected to wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn’t try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won’t work. The iPhone SE was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which haven’t been updated in years.

    Checks iPad Pro 1st gen, no SIM, no wireless... Pages works. Keynote works. Tried Numbers on the iPad, I would NOT be running a spreadsheet on an iPhone, especxially one as small as an SE, but would have no roblems on an iPad. Older than the SE. Been gathering dust for years. was replaced by a 4th gen then by a 7th gen. Hasn’t been updated in years...

    Both are now connected to wireless and updating. Note: both were old company devices, parked in file cabinets at the office when they were replaced by newer devices. Both are being brought up to date as much as possible for use as emergency devices, which probably means they’ll be going back into storage. (Yes, both can do WiFi Calling, so they can send and recieve phobne calls. Yes, including the iPad.)

    The main problem was getting the latest versions of some custom (NOT Apple) apps, created by the company and sideloaded (yes, I know Arlen says that doesn’t work, he’s wrong) to install. The very latest versions require newer versions of iOS/iPadOS than coulds work on the ancient hardware, so we had to step back one version.

    One wonders where m’man Arlen gets these easily refuted lies, and why he even bothers trying.



    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll >>> dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated >>> along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it. >>>
    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which >>> are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple >>> ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that >>> Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means >>> that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting >>> what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian
    restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    There is a difference between an app "dying" if you don't log in...

    ...and the need to occasionally log in when an application needs an update.

    Arlen’s an idiot.

    Gasp!!!!
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Jun 9 20:56:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 15:59:48 -0400, WolfFan wrote :


    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn't have a SIM, not connected to wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn't try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won't work. The iPhone SE was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which haven't been updated in years.

    What's no longer shocking is how incredibly ignorant the Apple trolls are.

    They're logged into Apple servers every moment of their lives, and then
    they brazenly lie that they're not.

    Who does that?
    What normal person lies about what they do every moment of their lives?

    It's not normal behavior to brazenly lie about being logged into servers.

    Checks iPad Pro 1st gen, no SIM, no wireless... Pages works. Keynote works. Tried Numbers on the iPad, I would NOT be running a spreadsheet on an iPhone,
    especxially one as small as an SE, but would have no roblems on an iPad. Older than the SE. Been gathering dust for years. was replaced by a 4th gen then by a 7th gen. Hasn't been updated in years.

    Again, who is that incredibly ignorant except for you strange Apple trolls?
    *Hasn't been updated in years.*

    Nobody normal would say "hasn't been updated in years" and then claim that
    the OS was updated and the apps didn't "die" as a result of that update
    that never happened.

    Who is that strange?
    Nobody is that stupid, right?

    Yet you Apple trolls are that stupid.

    Both are now connected to wireless and updating. Note: both were old company devices, parked in file cabinets at the office when they were replaced by newer devices. Both are being brought up to date as much as possible for use as emergency devices, which probably means they'll be going back into storage. (Yes, both can do WiFi Calling, so they can send and recieve phobne calls. Yes, including the iPad.)

    Idiots. If you log into the Apple servers, of course the apps will be
    updated. It's if you do NOT log into Apple servers when the problems occur.

    What is so strange about Apple trolls that they comprehend nothing?
    Who is that stupid as to say what WolfFan just said?

    The main problem was getting the latest versions of some custom (NOT Apple) apps, created by the company and sideloaded (yes, I know Arlen says that doesn't work, he's wrong) to install.

    Idiots. I never said you can't sideload company apps, you Apple morons.
    You Apple trolls are so desperate for a point that you create bullshit.

    Nobody but you strange ignorant uneducated Apple trolls would even think to claim Apple doesn't have the capability for iOS Custom Apps (via Apple
    Business Manager or Apple School Manager, for example).

    The very latest versions require
    newer versions of iOS/iPadOS than coulds work on the ancient hardware, so we had to step back one version.

    One wonders where m'man Arlen gets these easily refuted lies, and why he even bothers trying.

    And yet, you haven't refuted a single fact that I stated.
    You Apple trolls are so *desperate* to claim the impossible.

    If you own a normal iOS device (not a company updated device which is
    updated OUTSIDE the app store, you morons) and if you do not want to create
    an Apple Account on it, then the apps will die as you update the iOS
    version simply because you can't update any app that is not updated with
    the operating system (which is most of the apps that will die over time).

    For you Apple trolls to hate that fact is normal.

    But for you Apple trolls to deny that fact, means you're Apple trolls.

    Nobody is that stupid.
    Just you Apple trolls are that stupid.

    You deny every fact about Apple that you don't like.
    Which happens to be every fact about Apple.

    What's telling is how *desperate* you Apple trolls are to defend Apple.
    And yet, not one of you Apple trolls has the intellect to understand iOS.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Tue Jun 10 09:05:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-09 19:59:48 +0000, WolfFan said:
    On Jun 4, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <101qit0$13n57$1@dont-email.me>):
    On 2025-06-04 14:19, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :

    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows >>> system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops
    working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple
    account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote,
    Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into >>> Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a
    login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    This is utterly false.

    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn’t have a SIM, not connected to wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn’t try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won’t work. The iPhone SE was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which haven’t been updated in years.

    Checks iPad Pro 1st gen, no SIM, no wireless... Pages works. Keynote works. Tried Numbers on the iPad, I would NOT be running a spreadsheet on an iPhone, especxially one as small as an SE, but would have no roblems on an iPad. Older than the SE. Been gathering dust for years. was replaced by a 4th gen then by a 7th gen. Hasn’t been updated in years...

    Both are now connected to wireless and updating. Note: both were old company devices, parked in file cabinets at the office when they were replaced by newer devices. Both are being brought up to date as much as possible for use as emergency devices, which probably means they’ll be going back into storage. (Yes, both can do WiFi Calling, so they can send and recieve phobne calls. Yes, including the iPad.)

    The main problem was getting the latest versions of some custom (NOT Apple) apps, created by the company and sideloaded (yes, I know Arlen says that doesn’t work, he’s wrong) to install. The very latest versions require newer versions of iOS/iPadOS than coulds work on the ancient hardware, so we had to step back one version.

    One wonders where m’man Arlen gets these easily refuted lies, and why he even bothers trying.



    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll >>> dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated >>> along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it. >>>
    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which >>> are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple >>> ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that >>> Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means >>> that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting >>> what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian
    restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    There is a difference between an app "dying" if you don't log in...

    ...and the need to occasionally log in when an application needs an update.

    Arlen’s an idiot.

    He doesn't even have enough brains to reach the level of being an
    idiot. He's a moronic imbecile who needs to be in everyone's
    killfile/filter.



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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Jun 9 14:07:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-09 13:56, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 15:59:48 -0400, WolfFan wrote :


    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn't have a SIM, not connected to >> wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote.
    Didn't try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won't work. The iPhone SE
    was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an
    iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got >> cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which >> haven't been updated in years.

    What's no longer shocking is how incredibly ignorant the Apple trolls are.

    They're logged into Apple servers every moment of their lives, and then
    they brazenly lie that they're not.

    How is one "logged into Apple servers every moment of their lives"...

    ...when one's device has not internet connection of any kind?
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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Jun 9 17:45:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Jun 9, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <1027iei$or7a$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-06-09 13:56, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 15:59:48 -0400, WolfFan wrote :


    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn't have a SIM, not connected to
    wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn't try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won't work. The iPhone SE was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got
    cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which
    haven't been updated in years.

    What's no longer shocking is how incredibly ignorant the Apple trolls are.

    They're logged into Apple servers every moment of their lives, and then they brazenly lie that they're not.

    How is one "logged into Apple servers every moment of their lives"...

    ...when one's device has not internet connection of any kind?

    Good question. He’s simply too stupid to read and understand the phrases “doesn’t have a SIM” (no cell connection) and “not connected to wireless” (no network connection, as there’s no Ethernet on a cell
    phone.) The two devices in question were not connected to a network for
    YEARS. It’s IMPOSSIBLE for either of them to have seen an Apple server for YEARS, they had no network connection!

    Arlen’s an idiot.

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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Jun 9 17:46:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Jun 9, 2025, Your Name wrote
    (in article <1027iar$orad$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-06-09 19:59:48 +0000, WolfFan said:
    On Jun 4, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <101qit0$13n57$1@dont-email.me>):
    On 2025-06-04 14:19, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :

    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada, it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows
    system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into
    Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    This is utterly false.

    Hmm. Checks ancient iPhone SE 1st gen, doesn’t have a SIM, not connected to
    wireless... Pages (a very old version) still works. Same with Keynote. Didn’t try Numbers, no reason to expect that it won’t work. The iPhone SE
    was replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd gen, which has now been replaced by an iPhone 16e (what would have been the SE 4th gen except someone at Apple got cute) The SE is NINE YEARS OLD. Still works, including the Apple apps which haven’t been updated in years.

    Checks iPad Pro 1st gen, no SIM, no wireless... Pages works. Keynote works. Tried Numbers on the iPad, I would NOT be running a spreadsheet on an iPhone,
    especxially one as small as an SE, but would have no roblems on an iPad. Older than the SE. Been gathering dust for years. was replaced by a 4th gen then by a 7th gen. Hasn’t been updated in years...

    Both are now connected to wireless and updating. Note: both were old company
    devices, parked in file cabinets at the office when they were replaced by newer devices. Both are being brought up to date as much as possible for use
    as emergency devices, which probably means they’ll be going back into storage. (Yes, both can do WiFi Calling, so they can send and recieve phobne
    calls. Yes, including the iPad.)

    The main problem was getting the latest versions of some custom (NOT Apple) apps, created by the company and sideloaded (yes, I know Arlen says that doesn’t work, he’s wrong) to install. The very latest versions require newer versions of iOS/iPadOS than coulds work on the ancient hardware, so we
    had to step back one version.

    One wonders where m’man Arlen gets these easily refuted lies, and why he even bothers trying.



    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll
    dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated
    along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it.

    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which
    are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple
    ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that
    Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means
    that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting
    what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    There is a difference between an app "dying" if you don't log in...

    ...and the need to occasionally log in when an application needs an update.

    Arlen’s an idiot.

    He doesn't even have enough brains to reach the level of being an
    idiot. He's a moronic imbecile who needs to be in everyone's
    killfile/filter.

    he’sin mine, and has been for a while. I only see his crap when someone
    else quotes him.

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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Jun 9 23:26:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:45:41 -0400, WolfFan wrote :


    The two devices in question were not connected to a network for
    YEARS. Its IMPOSSIBLE for either of them to have seen an Apple server for YEARS, they had no network connection!

    Duh. You Apple trolls are so stupid you don't realize that you said the
    apps weren't updated (which they probably weren't if you hadn't been on the Internet in years) and then you said they still worked - which is stupid.

    Of course they still worked you morons.

    There's something wrong with you Apple trolls that you don't understand anything about iOS and yet you dispute everything you don't understand.

    Which is everything.

    Now, once you're on the Internet, update the iOS version.
    And *then* tell us what happens to all your apps that you can't update.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Jun 10 15:14:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-09, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:45:41 -0400, WolfFan wrote :

    The two devices in question were not connected to a network for
    YEARS. It¢s IMPOSSIBLE for either of them to have seen an Apple server for >> YEARS, they had no network connection!

    Duh. You Apple trolls are so stupid you don't realize that you said the
    apps weren't updated (which they probably weren't if you hadn't been on the Internet in years) and then you said they still worked - which is stupid.

    Of course they still worked you morons.

    Eat your own words, moron:

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    All you do here is lie and troll, loser.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Jun 10 16:00:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 10 Jun 2025 15:14:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops
    working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    All you do here is lie and troll, loser.

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    I love when you post because you're the canonical Apple owner, JR.
    I realize you Apple trolls have no idea *how* iOS works, Jolly Roger.

    You hate that you don't understand how iOS works, Jolly Roger.
    Allow me to explain it patiently to you Apple trolls, OK?

    1. If you do not add an Apple Account to your iOS device
    2. Then you can update *only* the operating system - not the apps
    (there are exceptions for corporate & developer accounts)
    3. Which means you can't update most of the native iOS apps

    That's just a fact, Jolly Roger.
    You calling me a "loser" simply means you *hate* that fact, Jolly Roger.

    Now, allow me to tell you Apple trolls something else, OK?
    A. Your native apps (e.g., Messages) will work just fine - for a while
    B. But at some point they won't - if you update the operating system
    C. So eventually none of your native apps will work on that iOS device

    This is simply how iOS works, Jolly Roger.
    You denying that's how iOS works, doesn't change that's how iOS works.

    But that's how it works.
    By you brazenly denying how iOS works, Jolly Roger, makes you the troll.
    Not me.

    I simply tell the truth about Apple products.
    What's no longer shocking is how much you Apple trolls *hate* that.

    You *fear* me, Jolly Roger.
    Because I tell the truth about Apple products (that you hate).

    You literally *hate* the truth about Apple products.
    Which is why you hate me.

    So be it.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Jun 10 09:18:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-10 09:00, Marion wrote:
    On 10 Jun 2025 15:14:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops >>>> working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    All you do here is lie and troll, loser.

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    I love when you post because you're the canonical Apple owner, JR.
    I realize you Apple trolls have no idea *how* iOS works, Jolly Roger.

    You hate that you don't understand how iOS works, Jolly Roger.
    Allow me to explain it patiently to you Apple trolls, OK?

    1. If you do not add an Apple Account to your iOS device
    2. Then you can update *only* the operating system - not the apps
    (there are exceptions for corporate & developer accounts)
    3. Which means you can't update most of the native iOS apps

    Which would only mean that you need to log in

    OCCASIONALLY!


    That's just a fact, Jolly Roger.
    You calling me a "loser" simply means you *hate* that fact, Jolly Roger.

    Now, allow me to tell you Apple trolls something else, OK?
    A. Your native apps (e.g., Messages) will work just fine - for a while
    B. But at some point they won't - if you update the operating system
    C. So eventually none of your native apps will work on that iOS device

    You claim you have to be logged in at all times.


    This is simply how iOS works, Jolly Roger.
    You denying that's how iOS works, doesn't change that's how iOS works.

    But that's how it works.
    By you brazenly denying how iOS works, Jolly Roger, makes you the troll.
    Not me.

    I simply tell the truth about Apple products.
    What's no longer shocking is how much you Apple trolls *hate* that.

    You *fear* me, Jolly Roger.
    Because I tell the truth about Apple products (that you hate).

    You literally *hate* the truth about Apple products.
    Which is why you hate me.

    So be it.

    "Hate" you?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!
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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Jun 10 20:17:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Jun 10, 2025, Jolly Roger wrote
    (in article <mar0dpFmaruU1@mid.individual.net>):

    On 2025-06-09, Marion<marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:45:41 -0400, WolfFan wrote :

    The two devices in question were not connected to a network for
    YEARS. It¢s IMPOSSIBLE for either of them to have seen an Apple server for
    YEARS, they had no network connection!

    Duh. You Apple trolls are so stupid you don't realize that you said the apps weren't updated (which they probably weren't if you hadn't been on the Internet in years) and then you said they still worked - which is stupid.

    Of course they still worked you morons.

    Eat your own words, moron:

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    that’s what he said. and it’s wrong, and easily shown to be wrong, so he’s lying his ass off to try to gaslight about it. except that everyone knows what he said.

    All you do here is lie and troll, loser.

    Yep. that’s Arlen.

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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 11 01:18:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 20:17:57 -0400, WolfFan wrote :


    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops >>> > working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    that's what he said. and it's wrong, and easily shown to be wrong, so
    he's lying his ass off to try to gaslight about it. except that everyone knows what he said.

    It's no longer shocking that the Apple trolls like WolfFan claim that Apple "magically" updates the apps WITHOUT ever getting them from the App Store.

    Who is that stupid to make such an absurd claim?
    Only Apple trolls make such absurdly ridiculous claims.

    They're not normal people these Apple trolls.

    WolfFan believes Apple is like Santa Claus, where he secretly visits each
    and every iOS device in the world to update the apps WITHOUT the App Store!

    The fact these Apple trolls claim such "magic" proves what they are.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 11 15:39:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-10, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 10 Jun 2025 15:14:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops >>>> working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    All you do here is lie and troll, loser.

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    Fuck off, loser.
    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 11 16:29:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 11 Jun 2025 15:39:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    Fuck off, loser.

    I love when you post, Jolly Roger - because you think like an Apple user.

    What's interesting is how much you Apple religious zealots fear me.

    You Apple trolls really are afraid of the facts about Apple products.

    So afraid, that you want me to "fuck off" and stop telling you facts.

    Unfortunately for you, the fact is that if you don't have an Apple Account, then even the native apps will stop working over time as you update iOS.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 11 10:01:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-11 09:29, Marion wrote:
    On 11 Jun 2025 15:39:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    Fuck off, loser.

    I love when you post, Jolly Roger - because you think like an Apple user.

    What's interesting is how much you Apple religious zealots fear me.

    You Apple trolls really are afraid of the facts about Apple products.

    So afraid, that you want me to "fuck off" and stop telling you facts.

    Unfortunately for you, the fact is that if you don't have an Apple Account, then even the native apps will stop working over time as you update iOS.

    No.

    He wants you to "fuck off"...

    ...because you're an asshole.
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  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Jun 11 18:49:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 6/4/2025 5:19 PM, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    One by one, they all drop dead.
    Ask me how I know this.

    The only software that doesn't die if you haven't logged into an Apple account is the software that is updated by the operating system itself.

    That means even Apple's native apps like GarageBand, Pages, Keynote,
    Numbers, iMovie, etc., will die in just a short while if you don't log into Cupertino servers (not to mention that many native Apple apps require a
    login to Cupertino servers just to work the way you want them to work).

    None of the Apple trolls understands a word I said above, and so they'll dispute it, but there are indeed some Apple native apps which are updated along with the OS itself, which does *not* need an Apple ID to update it.

    Examples are the Phone app, Messages, and the webkit core of Safari, which are the few apps on iOS that will still work after a while without an Apple ID.

    Again, the Apple trolls understand *none* of this. All they know is that Apple requires an Apple ID for anything to work and that, to *them*, means that an Apple ID is the same as a MSA or a Google ID in terms of limiting what the user can do.

    There's no comparison when you understand the differences.
    But the Apple troll understands none of that.

    It's their way of excusing and defending Apple astronomically Draconian restrictive Apple ID (i.e., dumb terminal) iOS policies to the death.

    No matter what.
    Facts be damned.

    You know, I have been on Apple phones and tablets going on 5 years now. Nothing bad has ever happened. No spam, no unwanted snail mail, and no
    hassles at all. What exactly is your point?
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Thu Jun 12 14:19:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 6/4/2025 5:19 PM, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:20:52 -0400, Joel wrote :


    If people's biggest problem with Win11 is the account BS, they really
    have no concept of what a behemoth the OS is, "Copilot+", yada yada,
    it's unreal. Logging in with an M$ account is the least of one's
    worries. Real nerds use Linux or Mac.

    What these ignorant trolls don't know is that without the MSA the Windows system works just fine, just as Android does without a Google Account.

    What even the Apple trolls don't understand is all your software stops working when you refuse to log into the Apple Cupertino servers.

    How many times do you have to be told - THAT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP!

    You're just a moronic brainless idiot troll who knows abosolutely
    nothing about anything at all, and you prove it EVERY single time you
    post such bullshit.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Jun 12 14:02:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-11, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 11 Jun 2025 15:39:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

    Fuck off, loser.

    you Apple religious zealots fear me.

    That means a lot coming from the frail coward who hides behind his
    keyboard.
    --
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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Jun 13 02:46:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 12 Jun 2025 14:02:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    That means a lot coming from the frail coward who hides behind his
    keyboard.

    The salient fact is not only is the iOS device *designed* as a dumb
    terminal but if you don't have an Apple Account on that iOS device, all the apps will eventually die as you update the iOS on that dumb terminal.

    That's just a fact which you may hate me for explaining to you.
    But it's still just a fact.

    Take it up with Apple if you don't like how she designed iOS, Jolly Roger.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jun 13 02:54:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 18:49:14 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :


    You know, I have been on Apple phones and tablets going on 5 years now. Nothing bad has ever happened. No spam, no unwanted snail mail, and no hassles at all. What exactly is your point?

    You actually never did anything on that iOS device, Tom Elam.
    *Because you can't.*

    Apple designed iOS as a dumb terminal so you can't do anything you like
    without losing all your privacy by giving Apple your private information.

    Even if you didn't care that no device has *less* privacy than iOS devices,
    you can't do things on that iOS device that everyone else can easily do.

    An example (bolstering the fact no device is less private than an iOS
    device) is you can't run the Tor Browser on iOS (because webkit has no
    privacy - & if you don't believe me - look it up - it's on the Tor site!).

    You never did any graphical Wi-Fi or cellular signal debugging either, Tom Elam, for all nearby signals, because you just can't do that on iOS.

    You've never set the default messenger app or phone app or contacts either,
    Tom Elam, because you can't.

    Neither did you ever change your homescreen to something functional, again, because you can't.

    You never used encryption containers, because you can't on iOS.
    You never added a system-wide firewall on iOS, because you can't.
    You've never been able to spoof your gps location on iOS, either.

    The list goes on and on what you can NOT do on iOS.
    Luckily, the list of what you can do, is very short.

    Without an Apple ID, all you can do, essentially, is take pictures.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Jun 12 20:01:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-12 19:46, Marion wrote:
    On 12 Jun 2025 14:02:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    That means a lot coming from the frail coward who hides behind his
    keyboard.

    The salient fact is not only is the iOS device *designed* as a dumb
    terminal but if you don't have an Apple Account on that iOS device, all the apps will eventually die as you update the iOS on that dumb terminal.

    Why must you continue to lie?


    That's just a fact which you may hate me for explaining to you.
    But it's still just a fact.

    Take it up with Apple if you don't like how she designed iOS, Jolly Roger.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Jun 13 15:34:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-13, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 12 Jun 2025 14:02:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

    That means a lot coming from the frail coward who hides behind his
    keyboard.

    The salient fact is not only is the iOS device *designed* as a dumb
    terminal but if you don't have an Apple Account on that iOS device,
    all the apps will eventually die as you update the iOS on that dumb
    terminal.

    Weak lies are all you have, loser. Fuck off
    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jun 13 10:35:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2025-06-12 19:54, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 18:49:14 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :


    You know, I have been on Apple phones and tablets going on 5 years now.
    Nothing bad has ever happened. No spam, no unwanted snail mail, and no
    hassles at all. What exactly is your point?

    You actually never did anything on that iOS device, Tom Elam.
    *Because you can't.*

    False.


    Apple designed iOS as a dumb terminal so you can't do anything you like without losing all your privacy by giving Apple your private information.

    False.


    Even if you didn't care that no device has *less* privacy than iOS devices, you can't do things on that iOS device that everyone else can easily do.

    But that 99.99% of consumers don't care about.


    An example (bolstering the fact no device is less private than an iOS
    device) is you can't run the Tor Browser on iOS (because webkit has no privacy - & if you don't believe me - look it up - it's on the Tor site!).

    You can't run the Tor Browser...but you can run Onion Browser and get
    most of the benefit.


    You never did any graphical Wi-Fi or cellular signal debugging either, Tom Elam, for all nearby signals, because you just can't do that on iOS.

    99.99% of the people who buy smartphones don't care about that.


    You've never set the default messenger app or phone app or contacts either, Tom Elam, because you can't.

    99.99% of the people who buy smartphones don't care.


    Neither did you ever change your homescreen to something functional, again, because you can't.

    The iOS homescreen IS customizable, doofus.

    You never used encryption containers, because you can't on iOS.

    False:

    'Securing Folders on an iPhone

    Yes, you can have a Secure Folder on your iPhone. Secure Folder is an
    app made for iPhones that provides a secure space to store your photos, videos, documents, zip files and music. '

    <https://www.devicemag.com/iphone-secure-folder/>

    You never added a system-wide firewall on iOS, because you can't.

    <https://guardianapp.com>

    <https://lockdownprivacy.com>

    You've never been able to spoof your gps location on iOS, either.

    99.99% of the people who buy smartphones don't care.


    The list goes on and on what you can NOT do on iOS.
    Luckily, the list of what you can do, is very short.

    Without an Apple ID, all you can do, essentially, is take pictures.

    False.

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