I have an iPad 10th generation on iPadOS 18.5 that I've had for oh, about a year or so, where over that time frame without an Apple Account set up on
it, I learned the MAGA Apple trolls didn't realize all the apps will die.
Yup. They die. The Apple trolls have no idea how iOS really works.
I know how iOS works because I test the system to see how it works.
Almost every native app on that iPad will die eventually, one by one,
because it wants an update that you can't get from the operating system updates and since you don't have an Apple ID you can't get that update.
So the app just dies.
Every single one of them dies over time.
One by one.
It's only been a year of no Apple ID & they're already starting to die.
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
Marion wrote:
I have an iPad 10th generation on iPadOS 18.5 that I've had for oh, about a >> year or so, where over that time frame without an Apple Account set up on
it, I learned the MAGA Apple trolls didn't realize all the apps will die.
I have an iPad 10th generation on iPadOS 18.5 that I've had for oh, about a >>> year or so, where over that time frame without an Apple Account set up on >>> it, I learned the MAGA Apple trolls didn't realize all the apps will die.
More lies from our resident "scientist".
Remember folks. This person claims to be a "scientist". And as we all know, scientists ALWAYS begin by insulting the people they are trying to teach.
So please explain what you mean by "dies". Show us a video of a "dead" app. Does the calculator no longer work? Clock? Camera? Notes? iTunes no longer plays on-device MP3s? Voice memos? Files? Reminders? Calendar? Settings? Photos? Are you saying none of these work?
Because you see, I AM a scientist and thus I demand proof. I don't just "believe" all the nonsense claims I read on the internet. Particularly from you, since your track record is zero.
BTW,I have an iPhone 5 that has been offline for many years.
Every app on it still works.
I have an iPad 10th generation on iPadOS 18.5 that I've had for oh, about a year or so, where over that time frame without an Apple Account set up on
it, I learned the MAGA Apple trolls didn't realize all the apps will die.
Yup. They die. The Apple trolls have no idea how iOS really works.
I know how iOS works because I test the system to see how it works.
Almost every native app on that iPad will die eventually, one by one,
because it wants an update that you can't get from the operating system updates and since you don't have an Apple ID you can't get that update.
So the app just dies.
Every single one of them dies over time.
One by one.
It's only been a year of no Apple ID & they're already starting to die.
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
I have an iPad 10th generation on iPadOS 18.5 that I've had for oh, about a year or so, where over that time frame without an Apple Account set up on
it, I learned the MAGA Apple trolls didn't realize all the apps will die.
Yup. They die. The Apple trolls have no idea how iOS really works.
I know how iOS works because I test the system to see how it works.
Almost every native app on that iPad will die eventually, one by one,
because it wants an update that you can't get from the operating system updates and since you don't have an Apple ID you can't get that update.
So the app just dies.
Every single one of them dies over time.
One by one.
It's only been a year of no Apple ID & they're already starting to die.
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
So please explain what you mean by "dies". Show us a video of a "dead" app. >> Does the calculator no longer work? Clock? Camera? Notes? iTunes no longer >> plays on-device MP3s? Voice memos? Files? Reminders? Calendar? Settings? >> Photos? Are you saying none of these work?
It's always the case these ignorant trolls ask us to prove the sun comes up every morning - simply because uneducated Apple trolls can't bother to look out the window for themselves before they deny what nobody would deny.
On 7/5/2025 8:56 PM, Marion wrote:
So the app just dies. Every single one of them dies over time.
One by one. It's only been a year of no Apple ID & they're already
starting to die.
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out
as a brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple
Account, it gets dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially
inert.
Our 7th generation iPad apps are working just fine. Get an Apple
account, update the apps, and disconnect.
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a >> brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets >> dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
Our 7th generation iPad apps are working just fine. Get an Apple
account, update the apps, and disconnect.
We still play a bunch of games on our 1st generation OG iPad
without issue.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:25:11 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a >>> brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets >>> dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
Our 7th generation iPad apps are working just fine. Get an Apple
account, update the apps, and disconnect.
Hi Tom,
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an Apple
Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible.
Given no other operating system but iOS needs that account, how are you
going to "Get an Apple Account" without giving away your privacy to Apple?
Why is it that the right of privacy is only impossible on Apple devices?
On 9 Jul 2025 23:16:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
We still play a bunch of games on our 1st generation OG iPad without
issue.
I love when Jolly Roger posts because he's the quintessential ignorant uneducated Apple religious zealot trolls - so - when JR posts, I learn
how most Apple users actually think.
It's lost on these uneducated people that you can no longer create an
Apple Account (which used to be called an Apple ID) without giving
away private information to Apple where only Apple makes it impossible
to have privacy.
Jolly Roger told us, years ago he couldn't earn even his GED, which is
when I learned how uneducated these Apple religious zealots are, where
JR doesn't even understand that one app working doesn't mean they all
work.
However, to JR's point, if he only owns iOS devices which are so old
that they no longer receive OS updates, then, sure, if the app works
now, it will work forever since it doesn't require anything in the new
OS updates.
On 2025-07-11 09:25, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:25:11 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a >>>> brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets
dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
Our 7th generation iPad apps are working just fine. Get an Apple
account, update the apps, and disconnect.
Hi Tom,
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is
different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an Apple
Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible.
That is false:
Here is the one I created:
"TestTwoTestTwo@icloud.com"
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of birth, or any other personal information.
The apps still work
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is
different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an Apple
Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible.
That is false:
Here is the one I created:
"TestTwoTestTwo@icloud.com"
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of
birth, or any other personal information.
The weak troll will claim having to use a phone number (*GASP*) is losing
all of your privacy!!! Let the pearl clutching begin!
On 11 Jul 2025 15:26:20 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is >>>> different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an AppleThat is false:
Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible. >>>
Here is the one I created:
"TestTwoTestTwo@icloud.com"
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of >>> birth, or any other personal information.
The weak troll will claim having to use a phone number (*GASP*) is losing
all of your privacy!!! Let the pearl clutching begin!
What's interesting is you MAGA trolls (make apple great again) are proving
my point for me by agreeing that you can't get around the phone number requirement easily (although there are even worse 2FA methods available).
You trolls agree that iOS is the only operating system where you can't have privacy since you have to give it a real phone number that it will
constantly ask you for the rest of your life to have in your possession any time it wants to verify the mandatory 2FA (& there are worse 2FA methods).
No other operating system makes it impossible to have privacy but iOS.
a. You must give it a phone number that you will have on you
b. And, in order for it to work well, you have to log into their matrix
Only Apple's operating systems are designed for privacy to be impossible.
On 11 Jul 2025 15:21:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
The apps still work
To JR's point, if he only owns iOS devices which are so old that
they no longer receive OS updates, then, sure, if the app works now, it
will work forever since it doesn't require anything in the new OS updates.
On 11 Jul 2025 15:26:20 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is >>>> different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an AppleThat is false:
Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible. >>>
Here is the one I created:
"TestTwoTestTwo@icloud.com"
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of >>> birth, or any other personal information.
The weak troll will claim having to use a phone number (*GASP*) is losing
all of your privacy!!! Let the pearl clutching begin!
What's interesting is you MAGA trolls
you can't get around the phone number requirement
What's interesting is you MAGA trolls
That describes you.
you can't get around the phone number requirement
Oh my! A phone number?! Where did I put my pearls!!
On 2025-07-11 09:25, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:25:11 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
What this proves pretty much is that not only does the iPad start out as a
brain-dead dumb terminal, but over time, without the Apple Account, it gets
dumber and dumber until it becomes essentially inert.
Our 7th generation iPad apps are working just fine. Get an Apple
account, update the apps, and disconnect.
Hi Tom,
I happen to own iPads so I know how they worked and work now (which is different in terms of privacy). It used to be you can create an Apple Account with completely bogus information - but it's no longer possible.
That is false:
Here is the one I created:
"TestTwoTestTwo@icloud.com"
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of birth, or any other personal information.
Given no other operating system but iOS needs that account, how are you going to "Get an Apple Account" without giving away your privacy to Apple?
Why is it that the right of privacy is only impossible on Apple devices?
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real date of
birth, or any other personal information.
It's trivial to generate an AppleID which has nothing to do with your personal info. I have different AppleIDs which I use depending on what I want
to do. This would include AppleIDs used for business purposes.
And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their apps. No, apps
do not die on older iPads.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:32:12 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real
date of birth, or any other personal information.
It's trivial to generate an AppleID which has nothing to do with
your personal info. I have different AppleIDs which I use
depending on what I want to do. This would include AppleIDs used
for business purposes.
None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,
it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any
useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address
had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could
be anyone's address and zip code.
But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code
match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your
billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for
that address.
At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that
Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace
period were stuck with 2FA forever.
By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created
Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your
device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is
automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once activated.
Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the
"Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".
As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly
every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global
standard.
Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which
Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or
change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP
number.
The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,
would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept
real phones.
Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all
times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with
you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed
in with your account.
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their
apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
OS. But you can't update the apps.
If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps
will start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA
morons).
Not one of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything
about how Apple works - particularly when you don't put an Apple
Account on the device.
On 2025-07-12 11:40, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:32:12 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real
date of birth, or any other personal information.
It's trivial to generate an AppleID which has nothing to do with
your personal info. I have different AppleIDs which I use
depending on what I want to do. This would include AppleIDs used
for business purposes.
None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
No. You don't.
Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,
it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any
useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address
had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could
be anyone's address and zip code.
This is false.
But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code
match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your
billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for
that address.
Since I don't have to provide a credit or debit card to create an Apple Account, this is also false.
At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that
Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace
period were stuck with 2FA forever.
Cite, please!
By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created
Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your
device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is
automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once activated.
That is (I believe) true.
Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the
"Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".
And?
As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly
every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global
standard.
Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which
Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or
change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP
number.
Nope. This is all Apple says on the subject:
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
<https://account.apple.com/account#!&page%3Dcreate>
The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,
would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept
real phones.
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
Nothing about what type of phone it is.
Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all
times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with
you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed
in with your account.
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their
apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
OS. But you can't update the apps.
So have an AppleID
If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps
will start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA
morons).
Not one of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything
about how Apple works - particularly when you don't put an Apple
Account on the device.
So have an AppleIDAnd, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With theirNone of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
Apple.
If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
OS. But you can't update the apps.
it’s trivially done.
If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps will
start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA morons).
On 7/12/2025 11:40 AM, Marion wrote:
If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps will
start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA morons).
Based on family experience an app on a 2011 Gen 2 iPad quite working
when about 2022 when he latest app version was not compatible.
Based on family experience an app on a 2011 Gen 2 iPad quite working
when about 2022 when he latest app version was not compatible.
Apps do not and cannot suddenly stop working, except in two situations.
An app is used for internet-based services (e.g. DropBox, Twitter,
Adobe's Photoshop with Neural Filters) where changes *at the server
end* mean the old app can no longer connect to the new server software.
Old apps can sometimes no longer work on a newer version of the
operating system due to changes in the OS itself. If the app developer
has not made a newer version of the app, then you have to use an
alternative app instead.
None of this is Apple-specific nor is it anything new.
It has been
happening ever since computers started getting operating system updates
back in the days of Windows 1 and Mac System 1, or even earlier with
the likes of different versions of DOS. Even things like your expensive
old 'smart' speaker may no longer work if you update the software on
your home hub.
On 11 Jul 2025 15:21:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
The apps still work
To JR's point, if he only owns iOS devices which are so old that
they no longer receive OS updates, then, sure, if the app works now, it
will work forever since it doesn't require anything in the new OS updates.
I just hope he doesn't put that old iOS device on the Internet, that's all.
On 7/11/2025 4:43 PM, Marion wrote:
On 11 Jul 2025 15:21:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
The apps still work
To JR's point, if he only owns iOS devices which are so old that
they no longer receive OS updates, then, sure, if the app works now, it
will work forever since it doesn't require anything in the new OS updates. >>
I just hope he doesn't put that old iOS device on the Internet, that's all.
You just revealed your ignorance for all to see.
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
No. You don't.
Nope. under certain circumstances using an AppleID might produce arequest to enter a six-digit PIN... and all devices with that AppleID get the notification, including the device you're logging into. (I always thought that this was stupid, but hey...) The PIN is different for each device, so Apple knows if you have a second device or if you only have one. If you use the PIN sent to the device you want to log into, there may be additional steps to ensure that you're you. Note that this is NOT for logging into the device itself; that requires the standard login method. All of my devices have a (different for each one) 10-digit alphanumeric login code, and face/fingerprint crap is NOT turned on. A third party can't get onto the device to get to where it asks for an AppleID in the first place.
Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,
it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any
useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address
had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could
be anyone's address and zip code.
This is false.
Even if it were true... the ZIP would be the ZIP for, for example, the office
for one of the AppleIDs used for business purposes.
And it's not true as I have _multiple_ AppleIDs which don't have an
address attached.
But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code
match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your
billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for
that address.
Since I don't have to provide a credit or debit card to create an Apple
Account, this is also false.
Yep. if no payment info is set up, you don't need an address. Company devices don't have payment info set up, the users ain't supposed to buy anything to install on a company device. If necessary, IT department (me) will temporarily put a payment method onto the AppleID used for company devices, buy whatever, install it on the devices in question over the network
in any of a half-dozen ways, and take the payment method off the AppleID.
At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that
Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace
period were stuck with 2FA forever.
Cite, please!
I'd like to hear this one, too.
By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created
Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your
device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is
automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once
activated.
That is (I believe) true.
Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the
"Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".
And?
As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly
every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global
standard.
Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which
Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or
change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP
number.
Nope. This is all Apple says on the subject:
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
<https://account.apple.com/account#!&page%3Dcreate>
The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,
would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept
real phones.
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
Nothing about what type of phone it is.
Apple only cares that the phonr number works. It department (me) at the office run all comms, voice, fax, text, email, whatever, past our systems. All comms. We use VOIP phones for voice and assign a new VOIP line as necessary to new hires or those who change departments. We have yet to encounter a problem with an AppleID due to VOIP. Arlen's lying his ass off. Again.
Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all
times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with
you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed
in with your account.
'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their
apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
OS. But you can't update the apps.
So have an AppleID
it's trivially done.
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