Nobody cares. Get your boring crapola out of alt.slack, dumbass.
LOL!
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run
Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that Linux is
a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51?PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run >>> Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that Linux is
a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51?PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run >>> Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that Linux >> is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
To be accurate: macOS (Darwin) is based on BSD, among other things.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)>
"Starting with Leopard, macOS has been certified as compatible with
the Single UNIX Specification version 3 (SUSv3)."
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump"" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run >>>> Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on >>>> the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that Linux is
a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to
run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the
writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that
Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in <jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups
16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups
65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at
what MacOS does to you if you are an admin?
$ id
uid=502(x) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts), 79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin), 701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator), 204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp), 398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh), 400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why
your ersatz "UNIX" is weak.
And that's just one example.
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple
got that, hmmmm?
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in <jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to >>>>> run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the
writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that
Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups
16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups
65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at
what MacOS does to you if you are an admin?
$ id
uid=502(x) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts), 79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin), 701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator), 204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp), 398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh), 400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why
your ersatz "UNIX" is weak.
And that's just one example.
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple
got that, hmmmm?
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in <jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to >>>>> run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the
writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that
Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups
16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups
65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at
what MacOS does to you if you are an admin?
$ id
uid=502(x) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts), 79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin), 701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator), 204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp), 398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh), 400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why
your ersatz "UNIX" is weak.
And that's just one example.Indeed... ...where DID Apple get CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System?
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple
got that, hmmmm?
On 2025-08-21 18:54, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in
<jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability
to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the >>>>>> writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing
that Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing*
of it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some
modifications. You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own
arrogant talking out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c #include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups 16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups 65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at what MacOS does to
you if you are an admin?
$ id uid=502(x) gid=20(staff)
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why your ersatz "UNIX"
is weak.
I'm sorry, but you think an important metric about OS quality and/or
utility is how many security groups it happens to ship with
pre-configured?
Really? Seriously?
And that's just one example.Indeed... ...where DID Apple get CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System?
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple got that, hmmmm?
Original author(s) Michael Sweet (Easy Software Products)
Developer(s) Apple Inc.
'In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac
OS X 10.2.[8] In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code. On December 20, 2019, Michael
Sweet announced on his blog that he had left Apple.'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS>
So for 12 years of its existence, Apple was in charge of the continuing development of CUPS.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:55:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <1088po9$1bgi3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-08-21 18:54, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in
<jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability >>>>>>> to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the >>>>>>> writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing
that Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* >>>>> of it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some
modifications. You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own
arrogant talking out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c #include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups 16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups 65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at what MacOS does to
you if you are an admin?
$ id uid=502(x) gid=20(staff)
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why your ersatz "UNIX"
is weak.
I'm sorry, but you think an important metric about OS quality and/or
utility is how many security groups it happens to ship with
pre-configured?
Really? Seriously?
Your feigned incredulity doesn't fool anyone.
Did you count the supplemental groups? What good are
supplemental groups if you can't add any for your own
use cases?
I know where it was deployed...
And that's just one example.Indeed... ...where DID Apple get CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System?
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple got that, hmmmm?
Original author(s) Michael Sweet (Easy Software Products)
Developer(s) Apple Inc.
'In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac
OS X 10.2.[8] In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer Michael
Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code. On December 20, 2019, Michael
Sweet announced on his blog that he had left Apple.'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS>
So for 12 years of its existence, Apple was in charge of the continuing
development of CUPS.
So?
I'm grateful that Apple has maintained it (as much as they have
done so), but it originated in a different world -- the world
of open source.
Where do you think it was deployed before MacOS, hmmmm?
On 2025-08-21 21:05, vallor wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:55:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
<1088po9$1bgi3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-08-21 18:54, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in
<jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability >>>>>>>> to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read >>>>>>>> the writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing >>>>>>> that Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a
*re-implementing*
of it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some
modifications. You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own >>>>>> arrogant talking out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c #include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups 16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups 65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at what MacOS does
to you if you are an admin?
$ id uid=502(x) gid=20(staff)
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why your ersatz
"UNIX"
is weak.
I'm sorry, but you think an important metric about OS quality and/or
utility is how many security groups it happens to ship with
pre-configured?
Really? Seriously?
Your feigned incredulity doesn't fool anyone.
Did you count the supplemental groups? What good are supplemental
groups if you can't add any for your own use cases?
Why do you imagine that you can't add groups on macOS?
I know where it was deployed...
And that's just one example.Indeed... ...where DID Apple get CUPS, the Common Unix Printing
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple got that,
hmmmm?
System?
Original author(s) Michael Sweet (Easy Software Products)
Developer(s) Apple Inc.
'In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac
OS X 10.2.[8] In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer
Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code. On December 20,
2019, Michael Sweet announced on his blog that he had left Apple.'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS>
So for 12 years of its existence, Apple was in charge of the
continuing development of CUPS.
So?
I'm grateful that Apple has maintained it (as much as they have done
so), but it originated in a different world -- the world of open
source.
Where do you think it was deployed before MacOS, hmmmm?
...but you utterly ignored what Apple did for it...
...and that it wasn't purely open source.
ESP Print was a part of CUPS when it was being developed by Michael
Sweet, and it was NOT open source.
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to run >>> Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the writing on
the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that
Linux is
a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote inyea , get a mac and chase your kernels
<jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to >>>>>> run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the
writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that >>>>> Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a *re-implementing* of >>>> it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking
out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups
16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups
65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at
what MacOS does to you if you are an admin?
$ id
uid=502(x) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why
your ersatz "UNIX" is weak.
And that's just one example.
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple
got that, hmmmm?
% wrote:
vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote inyea , get a mac and chase your kernels
<jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability to >>>>>>> run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read the >>>>>>> writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing that >>>>>> Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a
*re-implementing* of
it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some modifications.
You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own arrogant talking >>>>> out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups
16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups
65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at
what MacOS does to you if you are an admin?
$ id
uid=502(x) gid=20(staff)
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why
your ersatz "UNIX" is weak.
And that's just one example.
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple
got that, hmmmm?
I still remember Colonel Burke on this newsgroup. It's how bad things
have gotten in this world when they let all these castaways from mental wards and insane asylums all get together and preach total insanity to
each other and expect everyone else to believe they're of sound mind on these Linux newsgroups.
You can add all the groups you like, but you can't store them
in a process' supplemental groups table if it gets full.
It only holds 16 groups in the table. Adding the gid of the
process, that's 17 groups total.
(If you know of a way to increase the size of the table,
please let me know. :) )
Farley Flud wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 10:11:07 -0400, Tony wrote:and don't pick at your kernel
That Linux shit is for people who belong on the funny farm. I tried that >>> Linux shit and nearly destroyed my monitor and computer tower with a
baseball bat. Who would tout that crap anyway?
You obviously neglected to read the fine print message that
accompanies each and every GNU/Linux/FOSS product:
"Warning: Keep out of the reach of children"
And in your case there is more:
"Especially little girls"
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
jojo wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:no you haven't
On 8/7/25 10:35 AM, % wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 8/7/25 10:11 AM, Tony wrote:but you use linsux
That Linux shit is for people who belong on the funny farm. I
tried that Linux shit and nearly destroyed my monitor and computer >>>>>> tower with a baseball bat. Who would tout that crap anyway?
Lol, you're an interesting character to post here, what was so bad
about it? Were you expecting it to be the same thing as Winblows? >>>>> God forbid anyone had to use their brain to operate a computer.
No shit, you said it sucks, I say *you* suck at using it, then.
That's the only reason it would suck, because I can do anything with
Linux that Winblows could do.
i have used all systems except apple. i refuse to enter the appleosphere.
% wrote:
Farley Flud wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 10:11:07 -0400, Tony wrote:and don't pick at your kernel
That Linux shit is for people who belong on the funny farm. I tried
that
Linux shit and nearly destroyed my monitor and computer tower with a
baseball bat. Who would tout that crap anyway?
You obviously neglected to read the fine print message that
accompanies each and every GNU/Linux/FOSS product:
"Warning: Keep out of the reach of children"
And in your case there is more:
"Especially little girls"
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
That reminds me I told everyone on this newsgroup the day Epstein was
bumped off Trump was the instigator as it all would come back to him and
it took the rest of these lamebrains ANNUDDER 5 or 6 months to finally figure it out. They forget that kid just just missed with the bullet
Epstein would still be alive today.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:26:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <1088rhl$1bu4d$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-08-21 21:05, vallor wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:55:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
<1088po9$1bgi3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-08-21 18:54, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:35:27 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in >>>>> <jKOdnZzxiIDCVDr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>:
On Aug 21, 2025 at 8:38:17 PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump""
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 8/21/25 7:30 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 11:56:51 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 03:24:21 +0100, Mr Ön!on wrote:
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
struggling
Get a Mac!
Even Apple has now added its own version of WSL, with the ability >>>>>>>>> to run Linux VM instances on macOS. Like Microsoft, it has read >>>>>>>>> the writing on the wall about the inevitable Linux takeover.
Except that MacOS is already Unix. You know, the original thing >>>>>>>> that Linux is a copy of.
Linux is not "taking over" the Mac.
Idiot, GNU/Linux is not the "copy of" Unix, it's a
*re-implementing*
of it - *macOS*, OTOH, *IS* a "copy of" Unix, with some
modifications. You're welcome for the lesson, in detecting your own >>>>>>> arrogant talking out of ass.
Once again, you are wrong.
Linux was designed to be POSIX-compliant, then added some SUS.
So MacOS is UNIX(tm) -- that's nice. So why aren't there any MacOS
servers being sold anymore? They used to sell them...but Rackmacs
haven't been around since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve
MacOS is somewhat limited. For example, try this on MacOS:
$ cat ngroups.c #include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
int main (void)
{
printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
return 0;
}
On a Mac, this gives:
$ ./ngroups 16
On Linux:
$ ./ngroups 65536
So you might think, "so what?". Have you looked at what MacOS does
to you if you are an admin?
$ id uid=502(x) gid=20(staff)
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),
79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),
701(com.apple.sharepoint.group.1),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),
204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),
398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh),
400(com.apple.access_remote_ae)
Count up the supplemental groups, and you'll see why your ersatz
"UNIX"
is weak.
I'm sorry, but you think an important metric about OS quality and/or
utility is how many security groups it happens to ship with
pre-configured?
Really? Seriously?
Your feigned incredulity doesn't fool anyone.
Did you count the supplemental groups? What good are supplemental
groups if you can't add any for your own use cases?
Why do you imagine that you can't add groups on macOS?
I didn't say that. Please understand what I'm saying:
You can add all the groups you like, but you can't store them
in a process' supplemental groups table if it gets full.
It only holds 16 groups in the table. Adding the gid of the
process, that's 17 groups total.
(If you know of a way to increase the size of the table,
please let me know. :) )
I know where it was deployed...
And that's just one example.Indeed... ...where DID Apple get CUPS, the Common Unix Printing
At least it uses CUPS, though -- but guess where Apple got that,
hmmmm?
System?
Original author(s) Michael Sweet (Easy Software Products)
Developer(s) Apple Inc.
'In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac >>>> OS X 10.2.[8] In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer
Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code. On December 20,
2019, Michael Sweet announced on his blog that he had left Apple.'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS>
So for 12 years of its existence, Apple was in charge of the
continuing development of CUPS.
So?
I'm grateful that Apple has maintained it (as much as they have done
so), but it originated in a different world -- the world of open
source.
Where do you think it was deployed before MacOS, hmmmm?
...but you utterly ignored what Apple did for it...
...and that it wasn't purely open source.
ESP Print was a part of CUPS when it was being developed by Michael
Sweet, and it was NOT open source.
I'll take your word for it, and I'll stand corrected.
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