If Jews accepted the blame for Jesus's crucifixion ...
On 2025-08-17 6:13 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:50:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
RonB knows the Bible better than you or I do. This statement is a
complete lie on your part.
Everything in the Bible (or any other religious book) is already a “lie”.
Religious argument is basically circular argument, trying to justify a
viewpoint by assuming it is true to begin with.
Feel free to debunk it. Smarter people have already attempted to do so
and failed, but I'm sure that you'll prove them all wrong. After all,
you installed Linux successfully and none of those other people ever
managed to do so. You're firing the big guns. Before you begin, I would start with the Shroud of Turin. I'm sure you will be able to explain why there is both pre-mortem and post-mortem blood on there and which force
was used to make Jesus's image appear without destroying the linen.
Jesus told us to love our enemies, but He never told us to lower our
guards and let them walk all over us. Your inability to understand
Christianity beyond "turn the other cheek" is the reason Western Europe
is letting these monsters in.
See, that’s what I mean by circular reasoning: you don’t think “turn the
other cheek” refutes your argument, so you try to argue that by assuming >> it doesn’t in the first place.
See below.
You might want to consider Matthew 21:12-13
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold
and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money
changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It
is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have
made it a den of thieves."
But Ecclesiastes 10:19 says “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh >> merry: but money answereth all things.”.
<https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/money.html>
“It is written” about things long before your “Jesus” was supposed to have
existed.
Like I said, start with the Shroud of Turin and explain why the visible injuries on whoever was covered by the Shroud are consistent with what's written in the Holy Bible.
Please provide evidence that it was Catholicism that made them
pedophiles ...
Ah, now you’re trying to change the argument from denying that there are >> pedophiles among Christians, to trying to claim that the two are not
connected.
I never denied that there are pedophiles who claim to be Christian; I claimed that nothing in the Holy Bible or the religion prompts these monsters to be pedophiles. Try to follow, old chap.
On 2025-08-18 6:17 a.m., RonB wrote:
< snip >
But Ecclesiastes 10:19 says “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh
merry: but money answereth all things.”.
<https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/money.html>
“It is written” about things long before your “Jesus” was supposed to have
existed.
We're living under the New Covenant, not the old. The Old Law was imperfect, >> waiting for the Messiah and the New Covenant, written on our hearts — which
is perfect. Find a quote in the New Testament that in any way condones
pedophilia. Hint... you won't.
But you will find such filth in the Koran and the Talmud, both of which were >> written AFTER the New Testament.
The fact that both the Talmud and the Koran, which seem to be competing
for which is worse, were written after the Bible speaks volumes for its authenticity. It is almost as though they were evil's response to the general good produced by Christianity.
Please provide evidence that it was Catholicism that made them
pedophiles ...
Ah, now you’re trying to change the argument from denying that there are >>> pedophiles among Christians, to trying to claim that the two are not
connected.
Are you so myopic that you only see pedophilia in the Catholic Church and
not anywhere else? (Unfortunately the modern Catholic Church was severely
weakened by Modernism, i.e., a compromise with the satanic world, in Vatican >> II.) But pedophile filth spills out everywhere in our satanic world.
The fact that some priests were accused of pedophilia is exactly the
opening demons were looking for in their attempt to discredit
Christianity. They latch onto that for dear life yet ignore the fact
that these accusations rarely lead to any kind of convictions. They seem
to be fans of the Napoleonic principle of guilty until proven innocent.
On 2025-08-18 6:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-08-16 8:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On 16 Aug 2025 14:44:29 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:I think that he didn't specifically target the Muslims because he knew
Yes, but it's a secret, nobody should know about it. In France we aren't >>>>> seventy millions anymore. We are two hundred millions. The Muslims took >>>>> control of everything. All the French women are raped twice a day by >>>>> Muslims. All the churches have been either burned or replaced by
Mosques. All Christians have been killed, only Muslims stay here. I'm >>>>> hiding to stay alive. But it's too difficult to say aloud, it must be >>>>> kept as a secret.
Jean Raspail wrote the book over 50 years ago but you didn't listen. He >>>> did have the wrong group of invaders though. India was in dire straits in >>>> the '70s but it survived and has prospered, at least some of the classes. >>>
that they would gladly cut off his head for criticizing him in the
slightest. However, what he imagined has turned to reality and the
world's garbage is now flooding the West looking for a handout. They
expect us to happily give them money and a free home because that's what >>> the traffickers tell them to expect upon their arrival. Since they also
believe that white women exist solely for their amusement, it shouldn't
be surprising that they're harassing them looking for "a kiss" which
always translates to free sex.
Meanwhile, you have emasculated people believing that it is the West's
responsibility to take them in because we somehow caused their poverty.
Somehow, we were the ones telling them to have ten children per woman
despite having no way of taking care of themselves much less children.
We were also the ones telling them to eat the seeds we sent them to
plant rather than do any kind of agriculture. Apparently, we were also
the ones telling them to pray five times a day and kill anyone who
prayed slightly differently.
This was planned by the Rothschilds to destroy the West. The destruction of >> Libya and the following "Arab Spring" revolts were yet more engineered
mob uprisings by the same slimeballs who engineered the mob uprising against >> Jesus, nearly 2000 years ago. Their methods never change. Satan and his
myrmidons are nothing if not monotonous.
(See Revelation 2:9 and 3:9)
I have to admit that when I read Revelation as a teenager, I could not imagine how any of the things described could come to pass. Now, I am
shaken by how accurate much of it turned out to be. What's more shocking
is that people like Lawrence could have access to this prophecy, see it happening before his eyes and _still_ deny that there is validity to the Bible.
On 2025-08-18 7:02 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:18:56 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
This "Judeo-Christian" "Christian-Zionist" BS was the result of the
Rothschild bought and paid for Scofield and his lying commentaries in
the "Scofield Bible."
Ask any of these people Zionist "Christians" why the Jewish Temple
should be rebuilt since Jesus made the final sacrifice and they'll be
clueless. They've got about ten "proof verses" (taken out of context)
and that's about all they know about the Bible.
My religious education as a kid was Catholic and all my friends were in
some mainstream Protestant church. In the small town where I grew up you >>> were either Catholic or Dutch Reformed. My mother and my maternal uncle's >>> family were the latter.
When all that rapture, dispensationalism, Zionism and so forth started to >>> become a focus I had no idea where it all came from. At least back then
the Catholics had a pretty good idea of who killed Christ.
Yep. And now, unfortunately, they participate in Seder meals (even some have >> "Christian versions" of the Seder meal) and they water down the prayer for >> the "perfidious Jews." There is nothing Biblical the Seder meal and the Jews >> of the time accepted responsibility for shedding Christ's blood. "Let it be >> on our hands." Though, of course, the Romans were not blameless (but Jesus >> said to Pilate that he had the "lesser blame."
If Jews accepted the blame for Jesus's crucifixion, they shouldn't be surprised that the whole world is turning against them today. How ironic that their most likely allies today are going to be the ones whose
Messiah they killed.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:04:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
If Jews accepted the blame for Jesus's crucifixion ...
He was a fake “Messiah”. Remember “he shall be called Emmanuel”? Only this
one never was ...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 06:14:55 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 8/18/25 5:45 AM, RonB wrote:
Murdering unborn babies is evil.
Abortion rights protect women from harm, and cancel rape-babies.
It’s well-known that banning abortions doesn’t reduce their occurrence. It
just means they are no longer being done safely.
But here’s the real question: if abortion is considered to be “murdering unborn babies”, then what about IVF? Shouldn’t that be banned as well, on
the same grounds? Or is “life begins at conception” only applicable in a woman’s body, not in a Petri dish?
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:04:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
If Jews accepted the blame for Jesus's crucifixion ...
He was a fake “Messiah”. Remember “he shall be called Emmanuel”? Only this
one never was ...
On 2025-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-08-17 6:13 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:50:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
RonB knows the Bible better than you or I do. This statement is a
complete lie on your part.
Everything in the Bible (or any other religious book) is already a “lie”.
Religious argument is basically circular argument, trying to justify a
viewpoint by assuming it is true to begin with.
Feel free to debunk it. Smarter people have already attempted to do so
and failed, but I'm sure that you'll prove them all wrong. After all,
you installed Linux successfully and none of those other people ever
managed to do so. You're firing the big guns. Before you begin, I would
start with the Shroud of Turin. I'm sure you will be able to explain why
there is both pre-mortem and post-mortem blood on there and which force
was used to make Jesus's image appear without destroying the linen.
Jesus told us to love our enemies, but He never told us to lower our
guards and let them walk all over us. Your inability to understand
Christianity beyond "turn the other cheek" is the reason Western Europe >>>> is letting these monsters in.
See, that’s what I mean by circular reasoning: you don’t think “turn the
other cheek” refutes your argument, so you try to argue that by assuming >>> it doesn’t in the first place.
See below.
You might want to consider Matthew 21:12-13
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold >>>> and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money
changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It >>>> is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have
made it a den of thieves."
But Ecclesiastes 10:19 says “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh
merry: but money answereth all things.”.
<https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/money.html>
“It is written” about things long before your “Jesus” was supposed to have
existed.
Like I said, start with the Shroud of Turin and explain why the visible
injuries on whoever was covered by the Shroud are consistent with what's
written in the Holy Bible.
There are so many of these that the only thing atheists can do is ignore them. Oh, they'll make snarky comments on the side, but they won't deal with the facts.
The miracle connected with Our Lady of Las Lajas (Our Lady of the Rocks) is pretty much impossible to deny. And there's absolutely no scientific explanation for it.
Imprinted on the face of the cliff was an image of the Blessed Virgin
holding her infant Son in her arms. Both are smiling sweetly. The
Virgin’s hair is long and dark brown, extending to about the elbow. Her
eyes are large and innocent, and her garments beautiful to behold. On one
side of them is an image of Saint Dominic and on the other is Saint
Francis of Assisi. Mary is extending her hand toward Saint Dominic,
holding a Rosary. The Holy Infant holds a Franciscan cord which he
appears to be giving to Saint Francis. The spiritual sons of these two
holy saints were responsible for the conversion of the people of Central
and South America. ...
This image, known as Our Lady of Las Lajas, is clearly of miraculous
origin. The colors have not lost any of their brilliance over the
centuries, and they are not a paint or coloring that has been applied to
the surface of the stone. Geological samples collected have proven that
the color actually permeates the rock, for, as impossible as it may
sound, the colors of the image are perfectly evenly distributed and reach
several feet into the face of the cliff. Scientists cannot explain it,
while those who hate God deny the obvious and attempt to distort the
truth of its miraculous origin.
https://www.roman-catholic-saints.com/our-lady-of-las-lajas.html
This image appeared in the late 1700s. There's a story behind it (see the link) but fact that they've taken core samples and find the colors go
several feet into the stone can not be explained (as mentioned at the beginning). This is just one of many miracles atheists ignore.
Link to image using Tiny URL ... https://tinyurl.com/nhzjtueh
The golden crowns have been painted on. (Not really a fan of that, but it is what it is.)
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and look
a lot like them ...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:36:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and look
a lot like them ...
Had a DNA test yourself?
I can remember a bunch of white supremacists in the USA getting DNA
testing a few years ago to prove their “whiteness”, only to discover that part of their ancestry came, not just from slaveowners, but from their
slaves as well.
Big surprise, that when you put people living and working side-by-side
over centuries, that in spite of any kind of ideological indoctrination
and insistence that one side is inferior and isn’t even supposed to be considered human, they start creating some offspring together?
They were furious and in major denial, claiming the DNA testing was all
lies. Of course it wasn’t.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:36:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and
look a lot like them ...
Had a DNA test yourself?
I can remember a bunch of white supremacists in the USA getting DNA
testing a few years ago to prove their “whiteness”, only to discover
that part of their ancestry came, not just from slaveowners, but from
their slaves as well.
On 2025-08-19 2:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-08-17 6:13 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:50:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
RonB knows the Bible better than you or I do. This statement is a
complete lie on your part.
Everything in the Bible (or any other religious book) is already a “lie”.
Religious argument is basically circular argument, trying to justify a >>>> viewpoint by assuming it is true to begin with.
Feel free to debunk it. Smarter people have already attempted to do so
and failed, but I'm sure that you'll prove them all wrong. After all,
you installed Linux successfully and none of those other people ever
managed to do so. You're firing the big guns. Before you begin, I would
start with the Shroud of Turin. I'm sure you will be able to explain why >>> there is both pre-mortem and post-mortem blood on there and which force
was used to make Jesus's image appear without destroying the linen.
Jesus told us to love our enemies, but He never told us to lower our >>>>> guards and let them walk all over us. Your inability to understand
Christianity beyond "turn the other cheek" is the reason Western Europe >>>>> is letting these monsters in.
See, that’s what I mean by circular reasoning: you don’t think “turn the
other cheek” refutes your argument, so you try to argue that by assuming >>>> it doesn’t in the first place.
See below.
You might want to consider Matthew 21:12-13
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold >>>>> and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money
changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It >>>>> is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have >>>>> made it a den of thieves."
But Ecclesiastes 10:19 says “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh
merry: but money answereth all things.”.
<https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/money.html>
“It is written” about things long before your “Jesus” was supposed to have
existed.
Like I said, start with the Shroud of Turin and explain why the visible
injuries on whoever was covered by the Shroud are consistent with what's >>> written in the Holy Bible.
There are so many of these that the only thing atheists can do is ignore
them. Oh, they'll make snarky comments on the side, but they won't deal with >> the facts.
The miracle connected with Our Lady of Las Lajas (Our Lady of the Rocks) is >> pretty much impossible to deny. And there's absolutely no scientific
explanation for it.
Imprinted on the face of the cliff was an image of the Blessed Virgin
holding her infant Son in her arms. Both are smiling sweetly. The
Virgin’s hair is long and dark brown, extending to about the elbow. Her
eyes are large and innocent, and her garments beautiful to behold. On one
side of them is an image of Saint Dominic and on the other is Saint
Francis of Assisi. Mary is extending her hand toward Saint Dominic,
holding a Rosary. The Holy Infant holds a Franciscan cord which he
appears to be giving to Saint Francis. The spiritual sons of these two >> holy saints were responsible for the conversion of the people of Central >> and South America. ...
This image, known as Our Lady of Las Lajas, is clearly of miraculous
origin. The colors have not lost any of their brilliance over the
centuries, and they are not a paint or coloring that has been applied to >> the surface of the stone. Geological samples collected have proven that >> the color actually permeates the rock, for, as impossible as it may
sound, the colors of the image are perfectly evenly distributed and reach
several feet into the face of the cliff. Scientists cannot explain it, >> while those who hate God deny the obvious and attempt to distort the
truth of its miraculous origin.
https://www.roman-catholic-saints.com/our-lady-of-las-lajas.html
This image appeared in the late 1700s. There's a story behind it (see the
link) but fact that they've taken core samples and find the colors go
several feet into the stone can not be explained (as mentioned at the
beginning). This is just one of many miracles atheists ignore.
Link to image using Tiny URL ... https://tinyurl.com/nhzjtueh
The golden crowns have been painted on. (Not really a fan of that, but it is >> what it is.)
I don't know but if an inexplicable image suddenly appeared and there
was no scientific explanation for how it arrived there, the absolute
last thing I would do is modify it.
< snip >
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:36:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and look
a lot like them ...
Had a DNA test yourself?
I can remember a bunch of white supremacists in the USA getting DNA
testing a few years ago to prove their “whiteness”, only to discover that
part of their ancestry came, not just from slaveowners, but from their slaves as well.
Big surprise, that when you put people living and working side-by-side
over centuries, that in spite of any kind of ideological indoctrination
and insistence that one side is inferior and isn’t even supposed to be considered human, they start creating some offspring together?
They were furious and in major denial, claiming the DNA testing was all lies. Of course it wasn’t.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:36:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and look
a lot like them ...
Had a DNA test yourself?
On 2025-08-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:36:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
After all, the Spanish themselves share genes with the invaders and look >>> a lot like them ...
Had a DNA test yourself?
I can remember a bunch of white supremacists in the USA getting DNA
testing a few years ago to prove their “whiteness”, only to discover that
part of their ancestry came, not just from slaveowners, but from their
slaves as well.
Big surprise, that when you put people living and working side-by-side
over centuries, that in spite of any kind of ideological indoctrination
and insistence that one side is inferior and isn’t even supposed to be
considered human, they start creating some offspring together?
They were furious and in major denial, claiming the DNA testing was all
lies. Of course it wasn’t.
I know just about everyone in the world is a mongrel. But that doesn't
change the fact that Europe (formerly Christendom), formerly a "white" civilization, is where everyone (all over the world) wants to migrate to.
Has to be some reason for that, don't you think?
Yup, I have a tiny shred of black DNA myself, one of my many
personalities is a Nubian prince, the idea of racial purity is pretty
dumb when one looks at the simple fact that "interracial" people have in reality a superior, healthier, more resilient genome.
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 21:52:19 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Yup, I have a tiny shred of black DNA myself, one of my many
personalities is a Nubian prince, the idea of racial purity is pretty
dumb when one looks at the simple fact that "interracial" people have in
reality a superior, healthier, more resilient genome.
I have blood relatives of just about every shade of the human spectrum.
If anybody were to accuse me of having “racist” beliefs, I would say I am--
a “culturist”, not a “racist”. Different cultures can have some characteristics that are superior to others (and some characteristics that are inferior), that’s not a genetic thing. Anyway, “culture” is not something you are born into (like the genes you get from your parents), it is something you acquire. Cultures pick up things from each other over
time, that’s inherent in the human capacity for learning new ideas.
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so forth based on?
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 21:52:19 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Yup, I have a tiny shred of black DNA myself, one of my many
personalities is a Nubian prince, the idea of racial purity is pretty
dumb when one looks at the simple fact that "interracial" people have in
reality a superior, healthier, more resilient genome.
I have blood relatives of just about every shade of the human spectrum.
If anybody were to accuse me of having “racist” beliefs, I would say I am a “culturist”, not a “racist”. Different cultures can have some characteristics that are superior to others (and some characteristics that are inferior), that’s not a genetic thing. Anyway, “culture” is not something you are born into (like the genes you get from your parents), it
is something you acquire. Cultures pick up things from each other over
time, that’s inherent in the human capacity for learning new ideas.
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
On 2025-08-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 21:52:19 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Yup, I have a tiny shred of black DNA myself, one of my many
personalities is a Nubian prince, the idea of racial purity is pretty
dumb when one looks at the simple fact that "interracial" people have in >>> reality a superior, healthier, more resilient genome.
I have blood relatives of just about every shade of the human spectrum.
So do I. Most of us do. We're all mongrels. It doesn't change the fact that Muslim thugs are overruning Europe and raping and killing the native population.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so forth based on?
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so forth
based on?
Uh, Lawrence merely noted it is not a scientific concept.
It's just a rough grouping of people by various characterstics.
Race depends on who is doing the categorizing.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:03:08 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so forth
based on?
Uh, Lawrence merely noted it is not a scientific concept.
It's just a rough grouping of people by various characterstics.
Race depends on who is doing the categorizing.
Thank you for the non-answer.
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:03:08 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:33:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>
And besides, “race” is not a scientific concept.
Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so forth
based on?
Uh, Lawrence merely noted it is not a scientific concept.
It's just a rough grouping of people by various characterstics.
Race depends on who is doing the categorizing.
Thank you for the non-answer.
"Then what, exactly, is affirmative action, reparations, and so
forth based on?"
Thank you for the unanswerable question.
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