https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a-bigger- >>>>>> story-on-fashion-functionality/Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts." Wow. >>>>>> You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your phone in it. >>>>>> By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, with a
cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. LikeAnd yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air
taking candy from a baby.
contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because it's
obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced segment in
their wares, they probably don't worry about how successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain
damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
On 11/13/25 11:47 PM, Alan wrote:
https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a-bigger- >>>>>>> story-on-fashion-functionality/Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts."
Wow. You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your phone >>>>>>> in it. By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, with a >>>>> cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. Like >>>>> taking candy from a baby.And yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air
contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because it's
obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced segment in
their wares, they probably don't worry about how successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain
damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to have
come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a-Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
bigger- story-on-fashion-functionality/
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts."
Wow. You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your phone >>>>>>>> in it. By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, with a >>>>>> cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. Like >>>>>> taking candy from a baby.And yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air
contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because
it's obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced
segment in their wares, they probably don't worry about how
successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain
damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to have
come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
On 12/9/25 3:13 PM, Alan wrote:
https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a-Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
bigger- story-on-fashion-functionality/
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts." >>>>>>>>> Wow. You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your
phone in it. By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, with >>>>>>> a cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. Like >>>>>>> taking candy from a baby.And yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air
contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because
it's obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced
segment in their wares, they probably don't worry about how
successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain
damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to
have come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
I always have to remind myself that Apple does un-cripple itself in one
way, which is that preference in computing devices is personal, and I'm
only commenting on the harsh reality of price points, you are "one of
them" but I don't deny that it functions as a device.
https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a- >>>>>>>>>> bigger- story-on-fashion-functionality/Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts." >>>>>>>>>> Wow. You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your >>>>>>>>>> phone in it. By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, with >>>>>>>> a cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. >>>>>>>> Like taking candy from a baby.And yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air >>>>>>> contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because
it's obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced
segment in their wares, they probably don't worry about how
successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain
damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to
have come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
I always have to remind myself that Apple does un-cripple itself in
one way, which is that preference in computing devices is personal,
and I'm only commenting on the harsh reality of price points, you are
"one of them" but I don't deny that it functions as a device.
Still have not a clue what you're getting at by "just a useful company
that happened to have come along".
What do you mean by that?
On 12/9/25 6:32 PM, Alan wrote:
https://san.com/cc/apples-230-iphone-pocket- taps- into-a- >>>>>>>>>>> bigger- story-on-fashion-functionality/Wow. A website writes some text and that makes it true?
This site literally says up top, "Unbiased. Straight facts." >>>>>>>>>>> Wow. You are being programmed to wear a stocking with your >>>>>>>>>>> phone in it. By the masterminds at Apple. My God.
You don't see? Apple paid "san.com" to promote their gear, >>>>>>>>> with a cute story on the Web.
Really? Do you know that's what happened?
Yeah, I know that's what happened, Alan, come the fuck on.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Did you speak to someone at san.com...someone at Apple/
Read between the lines just a little bit, dude.
Dumbass Apple fans will be influenced to make a purchase. >>>>>>>>> Like taking candy from a baby.And yet, the counter example of the poor sales of the iPhone Air >>>>>>>> contradict that.
Not really, the Air is just a device that Apple produces because >>>>>>> it's obligated to pretend that there's a competitively priced
segment in their wares, they probably don't worry about how
successful it is.
The point is that you keep claiming that Apple users are so "brain >>>>>> damaged" that they'll buy anything Apple sells.
The poor sales of the iPhone Air contradicts that.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to
have come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
I always have to remind myself that Apple does un-cripple itself in
one way, which is that preference in computing devices is personal,
and I'm only commenting on the harsh reality of price points, you are
"one of them" but I don't deny that it functions as a device.
Still have not a clue what you're getting at by "just a useful company
that happened to have come along".
What do you mean by that?
Jobs clearly envisioned the Satanic plot by Apple to sell the Pocket and whatnot, they would be the anti-computer. The people like you are supporting it because of your quirks that make you prefer their software.
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to >>>>>> have come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
I always have to remind myself that Apple does un-cripple itself in
one way, which is that preference in computing devices is personal,
and I'm only commenting on the harsh reality of price points, you
are "one of them" but I don't deny that it functions as a device.
Still have not a clue what you're getting at by "just a useful
company that happened to have come along".
What do you mean by that?
Jobs clearly envisioned the Satanic plot by Apple to sell the Pocket
and whatnot, they would be the anti-computer. The people like you are
supporting it because of your quirks that make you prefer their software.
You're delusional.
Selling a product that only some people will want--that they might want
it for status...
...that's a nothing-burger.
Apple is successful because the computing products they make appeal to
many people so much that they're will to buy them even at higher prices.
On 12/9/25 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
You seem to think Apple is just a useful company that happened to >>>>>>> have come along. Unfortunately, straight out of Satan's mouth.
What do you even mean by that?
I always have to remind myself that Apple does un-cripple itself in >>>>> one way, which is that preference in computing devices is personal, >>>>> and I'm only commenting on the harsh reality of price points, you
are "one of them" but I don't deny that it functions as a device.
Still have not a clue what you're getting at by "just a useful
company that happened to have come along".
What do you mean by that?
Jobs clearly envisioned the Satanic plot by Apple to sell the Pocket
and whatnot, they would be the anti-computer. The people like you
are supporting it because of your quirks that make you prefer their
software.
You're delusional.
Selling a product that only some people will want--that they might
want it for status...
...that's a nothing-burger.
Apple is successful because the computing products they make appeal to
many people so much that they're will to buy them even at higher prices.
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
because thoseAgain, you miss the essential point;
512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but a few nerds who have
a porn collection or something. Heh.
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their revenues.
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but a
few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS. They're looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works the way they
want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that work so
well for people that they'll pay the premium for that storage.
On 12/9/25 8:12 PM, Alan wrote:
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their revenues.
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but a
few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS. They're
looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works the way they
want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that work so
well for people that they'll pay the premium for that storage.
OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage options?
It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with Apple honestly
is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user.
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their revenues.
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but a
few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS.
They're looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works the
way they want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that work
so well for people that they'll pay the premium for that storage.
OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage options?
It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with Apple honestly
is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to the M5 in
the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-pro/buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-Ultra-7-256V-vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
On 12/9/25 9:28 PM, Alan wrote:
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their revenues. >>>>
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but a >>>>> few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS.
They're looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works the
way they want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that work
so well for people that they'll pay the premium for that storage.
OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage
options? It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with Apple
honestly is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it thinks
the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-black-
standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-
memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD
would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to the
M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-pro/
buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-Ultra-7-256V-
vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung user.
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their
revenues.
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but >>>>>> a few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS.
They're looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works
the way they want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that work >>>>> so well for people that they'll pay the premium for that storage.
OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage
options? It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with
Apple honestly is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it thinks
the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-black-
standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-gpu-16gb-
memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD
would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to the
M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-pro/
buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-Ultra-7-256V-
vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the pricey
upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
On 12/10/25 4:13 PM, Alan wrote:
I think the Pocket is a lot easier money for them, though,
Dude: they're going to be less than a rounding error on their
revenues.
because those 512 GB SSDs for $200 more than 256 GB can't get but >>>>>>> a few nerds who have a porn collection or something. Heh.
Again, you miss the essential point;
People aren't looking at the purchase price of the COMPONENTS.
They're looking at the cost of getting a whole system that works
the way they want it to work.
They produce personal computers, smartphones, and tablets that
work so well for people that they'll pay the premium for that
storage.
OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage
options? It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with
Apple honestly is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it thinks
the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-black-
standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core-
gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD
would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to
the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-pro/
buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-Ultra-7-256V-
vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the pricey
upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it
thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-
black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-core- >>>>> gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD
would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to
the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-pro/ >>>>> buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the pricey >>>> upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it
thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung user. >>>>But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-
black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-
core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD >>>>>> would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks compared to >>>>>> the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5-
pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the
pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple offersYou're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
me nothing.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it
thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer was
upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the gold
standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it have to
be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has theYou're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung
pricey upgrades of specs.
user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual facts matched your attempted brag.
On 12/11/25 1:25 PM, Alan wrote:
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer
was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it
have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with 256,
so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. Inclusive to
itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, and get the 512
GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and
not Apple's extortion.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has theYou're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung >>>>>> user.
pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such
upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying Apple was
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer
was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it
have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with 256,
so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. Inclusive to
itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you see what the
alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, and get the 512
GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get
and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung >>>>>>> user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such
upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting
you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying Apple was
so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
On 12/11/25 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with
256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. Inclusive
to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you see what
the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, and get
the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled
to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. AppleSamsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a
Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>
offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive
for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting
you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying Apple
was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.But it is...
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe
drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the >>>>>> gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill
a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with
256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model.
Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you
see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple,
and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is
entitled to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't be rational.
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple >>>>>> offers me nothing.Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a
Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>>
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive >>>>> for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting
you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying Apple
was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
On 12/11/25 6:23 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose >>>>>>>>>> it?Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 >>>>>>> TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. >>>>>>> Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill >>>>>> a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with
256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model.
Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you >>>>> see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, >>>>> and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is >>>>> entitled to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't be
rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or iPhone.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying AppleSamsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple >>>>>>> offers me nothing.And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>>>Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual >>>>>> facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user. >>>
was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walledDrag those goalposts!
garden, though?
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>> choose it?Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>> it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 >>>>>>>> TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. >>>>>>>> Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never
fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with >>>>>> 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model.
Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when
you see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin'
Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the
price one is entitled to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't be
rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung >>>>>>>>> is!Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has >>>>>>>>>>>> the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it.
Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the
actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac
user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying Apple >>>>> was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled
garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than Samsung does?
Yes or no.
On 12/11/25 7:09 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 >>>>>>>>> TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. >>>>>>>>> Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never >>>>>>>> fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with >>>>>>> 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model.
Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when >>>>>>> you see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' >>>>>>> Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the
price one is entitled to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't
be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's still
not cheap.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderfulSamsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has >>>>>>>>>>>>> the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>>>
Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it.
Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being >>>>>>>> better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the
actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac >>>>>>> user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying
Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled
garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than Samsung
does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone does,Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for charging
but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. >>>>>>>>>> 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 >>>>>>>>>> GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never >>>>>>>>> fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good
with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. >>>>>>>> Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when >>>>>>>> you see what the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' >>>>>>>> Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the >>>>>>>> price one is entitled to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't
be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or
iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's still
not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being >>>>>>>>> better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac >>>>>>>> user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying
Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled
garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than Samsung
does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone does,
but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for charging
$200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same upgrade.
On 12/11/25 8:45 PM, Alan wrote:
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.Because there are people who really don't need more.Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. >>>>>>>>>>> 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 >>>>>>>>>>> GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*? >>>>>>>>>>
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never >>>>>>>>>> fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good >>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. >>>>>>>>> Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when >>>>>>>>> you see what the alternative really is, to not buy from
freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, >>>>>>>>> get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's extortion. >>>>>>>>
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you can't >>>>>> be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or
iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's
still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being >>>>>>>>>> better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less >>>>>>>>>> expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a >>>>>>>>> Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying >>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled
garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than Samsung
does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone does,
but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for charging
$200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which is
the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple is only
a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better pay through
the nose if you want features.
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it
thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer was
upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the gold
standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it have to
be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a SamsungBut it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space-
black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10-
core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB
SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks
compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5- >>>>>>> pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the
pricey upgrades of specs.
user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual facts matched your attempted brag.
On 2025-12-11 10:56, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/11/25 1:25 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer
was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it
have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with 256,
so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. Inclusive to
itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you see what the
alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, and get the 512
GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get
and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting
you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
Because there are people who really don't need more.You still have this ridiculous idea that:Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that >>>>>>>>>>>> 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*? >>>>>>>>>>>
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never >>>>>>>>>>> fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good >>>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that
model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is >>>>>>>>>> lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy >>>>>>>>>> from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB >>>>>>>>>> RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's >>>>>>>>>> extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you
can't be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or
iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's
still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
You need to buy a dictionary.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung >>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were >>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from >>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a >>>>>>>>>> Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying >>>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled >>>>>> garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
Samsung does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone
does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which is
the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple is
only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better pay
through the nose if you want features.
So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
...and you were WRONG.
On 2025-12-11 2:36 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 10:56, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/11/25 1:25 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good with
256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that model. Inclusive
to itself that is a good argument but it is lost when you see what
the alternative really is, to not buy from freakin' Apple, and get
the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled
to get and not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
That is a good point. In fact, I'm convinced that Apple would rather not have Joel as a client. Additionally, while Apple is lying that 16GB on
an Mx processor is the same as 32GB on the x86-64 platform, the reality
is that the new Macs do manage to do more with less.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from lambasting
you personally with the matter, because you are a Mac user.
Samsung is in no way superior to Apple. Even if it had functionality
that Apple doesn't currently have, the reality is that it is probably
being offered in a confusing, cumbersome way and its users are unaware
of it.
On 12/12/25 1:03 AM, Alan wrote:
You still have this ridiculous idea that:Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make >>>>>>>>>>>>> that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now >>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will >>>>>>>>>>>> never fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good >>>>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that >>>>>>>>>>> model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is >>>>>>>>>>> lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy >>>>>>>>>>> from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 >>>>>>>>>>> GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's >>>>>>>>>>> extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you
can't be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or >>>>>>> iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's
still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
You need to buy a dictionary.
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs, here's $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
they can turn it into a big game.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were >>>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from >>>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a >>>>>>>>>>> Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying >>>>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are >>>>>>> prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled >>>>>>> garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
Samsung does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone
does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which
is the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple is
only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better pay
through the nose if you want features.
So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
...and you were WRONG.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can"When one is assembling a system".
be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive.
Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer
was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it
have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung >>>>>> user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space- >>>>>>>> black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10- >>>>>>>> core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB >>>>>>>> SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks
compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5- >>>>>>>> pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the
pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such
upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage through iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you are either
going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at ridiculous prices when
you buy the hardware or opt for an online solution which will allow
Apple to have a continuous revenue through selling your data to the
highest bidder, much like Microsoft and Google.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will >>>>>>>>>>>>> never fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good >>>>>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that >>>>>>>>>>>> model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is >>>>>>>>>>>> lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy >>>>>>>>>>>> from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 >>>>>>>>>>>> GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's >>>>>>>>>>>> extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you >>>>>>>>> can't be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or >>>>>>>> iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's >>>>>> still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
You need to buy a dictionary.
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs,
here's $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
they can turn it into a big game.
Even if all that were true (it's not)...
...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were >>>>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from >>>>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying >>>>>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are >>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a
walled garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
Samsung does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone
does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which
is the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple
is only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better
pay through the nose if you want features.
So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
...and you were WRONG.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can
be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off
corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
"When one is assembling a system".
Most people don't want to do that.
On 2025-12-12 08:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/12/25 1:03 AM, Alan wrote:
You still have this ridiculous idea that:Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will >>>>>>>>>>>>> never fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good >>>>>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that >>>>>>>>>>>> model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is >>>>>>>>>>>> lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy >>>>>>>>>>>> from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32 >>>>>>>>>>>> GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's >>>>>>>>>>>> extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you >>>>>>>>> can't be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or >>>>>>>> iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's >>>>>> still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
You need to buy a dictionary.
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs, here's
$1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
they can turn it into a big game.
Even if all that were true (it's not)...
...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
"When one is assembling a system".
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were >>>>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the >>>>>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from >>>>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying >>>>>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are >>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled >>>>>>>> garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
Samsung does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone
does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which
is the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple is >>>> only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better pay
through the nose if you want features.
So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
...and you were WRONG.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can
be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off
corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
Most people don't want to do that.
On 2025-12-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-12 08:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can"When one is assembling a system".
be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off
corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
Most people don't want to do that.
These days it almost doesn't even pay anymore.
The main advantage is to customize the PC to fit the intended use
and use higher quality parts as required.
So for example a hardcore gamer will want plenty of memory, a high
end graphics card and maybe extra cooling in the case.
Things an average home use probably doesn't need.
It's not that PC targeted at these specific types of users are not
available, it's just that they tend to be overpriced.
Apple caters to a certain demographic and these people tend to
be loyal and are willing to pay the price.
I use iPhones and an Apple watch and I have found them to be
bullet proof.
I also have a mid tier Samsung Android phone and it too works fine.
In no way is Apple running an extortion racket.
If you don't like Apple, go elsewhere.
For what they do, they do it very well with few hiccups.
There support is second to none and the Apple resale value
is quite good compared to other brands.
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer
was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it
have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being better
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a Samsung >>>>>>> user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space- >>>>>>>>> black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10- >>>>>>>>> core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB >>>>>>>>> SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks
compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy-book5- >>>>>>>>> pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive for such
upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage through
iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you are either
going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at ridiculous prices
when you buy the hardware or opt for an online solution which will
allow Apple to have a continuous revenue through selling your data to
the highest bidder, much like Microsoft and Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
On 12/12/25 3:19 PM, Alan wrote:
They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.You still have this ridiculous idea that:Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to choose it?
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never fill a 256GB drive.
So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be >>>>>>>>>>>>> good with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in >>>>>>>>>>>>> that model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is lost when you see what the alternative really is, to >>>>>>>>>>>>> not buy from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, >>>>>>>>>>>>> get the 32 GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and >>>>>>>>>>>>> not Apple's extortion.
No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child. >>>>>>>>>>>
Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you >>>>>>>>>> can't be rational.
You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac >>>>>>>>> or iPhone.
Nope.
Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's >>>>>>> still not cheap.
Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
Pretty much does.
You need to buy a dictionary.
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs,
here's $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
they can turn it into a big game.
Even if all that were true (it's not)...
...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
Sure looks that way to me.
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Apple offers me nothing.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the actual facts matched your attempted brag.
Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from >>>>>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Mac user.
They're certainly no better in the one area you were
implying Apple was so bad at:
The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
Agreed?
It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
But it is...
...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are >>>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a >>>>>>>>> walled garden, though?
Drag those goalposts!
Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
Samsung does?
Yes or no.
The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone >>>>>>> does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
upgrade.
You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which >>>>> is the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple
is only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better >>>>> pay through the nose if you want features.
So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
...and you were WRONG.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD
can be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of
show-off corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
"When one is assembling a system".
Most people don't want to do that.
OK, so pay them $400 for a $70 part. Plus the value of the 256 GB SSDYour claim was that Apple was worse than other companies in this regard,
it replaced, in reality, it's extracted from your wallet by Apple's
mighty macOS tentacles, they know you won't buy another brand.
On 12/12/25 7:33 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-12 08:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can >>>> be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off"When one is assembling a system".
corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
Most people don't want to do that.
These days it almost doesn't even pay anymore.
The main advantage is to customize the PC to fit the intended use
and use higher quality parts as required.
So for example a hardcore gamer will want plenty of memory, a high
end graphics card and maybe extra cooling in the case.
Things an average home use probably doesn't need.
It's not that PC targeted at these specific types of users are not
available, it's just that they tend to be overpriced.
Apple caters to a certain demographic and these people tend to
be loyal and are willing to pay the price.
I use iPhones and an Apple watch and I have found them to be
bullet proof.
I also have a mid tier Samsung Android phone and it too works fine.
In no way is Apple running an extortion racket.
If you don't like Apple, go elsewhere.
For what they do, they do it very well with few hiccups.
There support is second to none and the Apple resale value
is quite good compared to other brands.
Windows 7 annihilated the MacBook I bought, admittedly trying to use it
as a Winblows laptop isn't advisable, but Apple is dainty.
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be aBut it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space- >>>>>>>>>> black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10- >>>>>>>>>> core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB >>>>>>>>>> SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks >>>>>>>>>> compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy- >>>>>>>>>> book5- pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.
Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple
offers me nothing.
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive
for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage through
iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you are either
going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at ridiculous prices
when you buy the hardware or opt for an online solution which will
allow Apple to have a continuous revenue through selling your data to
the highest bidder, much like Microsoft and Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually increased in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips. Meanwhile,
upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a 2TB nvme would
cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at purchase because Apple doesn't allow me to change the storage after I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage to
using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider
their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their opinion
on the matter share my opinion.
On 2025-12-12 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe
drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the >>>>>> gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill
a 256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be aBut it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare! >>>>>>>>>>>
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch- >>>>>>>>>>> space- black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core- >>>>>>>>>>> cpu-and-10- core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a >>>>>>>>>>> 512GB SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on
benchmarks compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy- >>>>>>>>>>> book5- pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel- >>>>>>>>>>> Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.
Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple >>>>>> offers me nothing.
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive >>>>> for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage
through iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you
are either going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at
ridiculous prices when you buy the hardware or opt for an online
solution which will allow Apple to have a continuous revenue through
selling your data to the highest bidder, much like Microsoft and
Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually increased
in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips. Meanwhile,
upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a 2TB nvme would
cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at purchase because Apple
doesn't allow me to change the storage after I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage to
using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider
their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their
opinion on the matter share my opinion.
I'm not defending the practice.
I'm pointing out that it's what EVERY company does.
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose it? >>>>>>>>Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever it >>>>>>>>>> thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe drive. >>>>>>> Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old computer >>>>> was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 TB was the
gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. Why does it >>>>> have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill a
256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. AppleYou're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be aBut it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare!
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-space- >>>>>>>>>> black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core-cpu-and-10- >>>>>>>>>> core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB >>>>>>>>>> SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on benchmarks >>>>>>>>>> compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy- >>>>>>>>>> book5- pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel-
Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.
Samsung user.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone.
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>
offers me nothing.
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less expensive
for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual
facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage through
iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you are either
going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at ridiculous prices
when you buy the hardware or opt for an online solution which will
allow Apple to have a continuous revenue through selling your data to
the highest bidder, much like Microsoft and Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually increased in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips. Meanwhile,
upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a 2TB nvme would
cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at purchase because Apple doesn't allow me to change the storage after I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage to
using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider
their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their opinion
on the matter share my opinion.
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs,
here's $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
they can turn it into a big game.
Even if all that were true (it's not)...
...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
Sure looks that way to me.
Because you're ignorant.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD
can be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of
show-off corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
"When one is assembling a system".
Most people don't want to do that.
OK, so pay them $400 for a $70 part. Plus the value of the 256 GB SSD
it replaced, in reality, it's extracted from your wallet by Apple's
mighty macOS tentacles, they know you won't buy another brand.
Your claim was that Apple was worse than other companies in this regard,
and your given example was Samsung...
...and Samsung was actually worse.
Windows 7 annihilated the MacBook I bought, admittedly trying to use
it as a Winblows laptop isn't advisable, but Apple is dainty.
More bullshit words!
How was Apple's hardware "dainty"?
On 12/12/25 8:16 PM, Alan wrote:
"I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs,
here's $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything
up, they can turn it into a big game.
Even if all that were true (it's not)...
...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
Sure looks that way to me.
Because you're ignorant.
So pay the $400 I guess.
The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD
can be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of
show-off corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
"When one is assembling a system".
Most people don't want to do that.
OK, so pay them $400 for a $70 part. Plus the value of the 256 GB
SSD it replaced, in reality, it's extracted from your wallet by
Apple's mighty macOS tentacles, they know you won't buy another brand.
Your claim was that Apple was worse than other companies in this
regard, and your given example was Samsung...
...and Samsung was actually worse.
Samsung is just being the copycat. Apple is the one making extortionYOU CHOSE THEM.
part of the experience, of using their unique software.
On 12/12/25 8:17 PM, Alan wrote:
Windows 7 annihilated the MacBook I bought, admittedly trying to use
it as a Winblows laptop isn't advisable, but Apple is dainty.
More bullshit words!
Nope, the machine died less than a year old.
How was Apple's hardware "dainty"?
Two cores, 2 GB RAM, primitive compared to Windows laptops of its time.What was this machine? What model and what year?
On 2025-12-12 8:18 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to choose >>>>>>>>>> it?Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 >>>>>>> TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. >>>>>>> Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never fill >>>>>> a 256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung is! >>>>>>>You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare! >>>>>>>>>>>>
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch- >>>>>>>>>>>> space- black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core- >>>>>>>>>>>> cpu-and-10- core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a >>>>>>>>>>>> 512GB SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on
benchmarks compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)...
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy- >>>>>>>>>>>> book5- pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel- >>>>>>>>>>>> Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has the >>>>>>>>>>> pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it. Apple >>>>>>> offers me nothing.
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the actual >>>>>> facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage
through iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you
are either going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at
ridiculous prices when you buy the hardware or opt for an online
solution which will allow Apple to have a continuous revenue
through selling your data to the highest bidder, much like
Microsoft and Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually increased
in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips. Meanwhile,
upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a 2TB nvme
would cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at purchase because
Apple doesn't allow me to change the storage after I've received the
machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage to
using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider
their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their
opinion on the matter share my opinion.
I'm not defending the practice.
I'm pointing out that it's what EVERY company does.
You might be right. Either way, it is a disgusting practise. People
should reject any hardware company which provides too little storage for
the era, which demands exorbitant prices for upgrades or doesn't allow future upgrades.
So pay $400 [for 1 TB on a Mac] I guess.
1. In the upgrade YOU first touted, it was 512GB to 1TB...
...and the price for that was $200.
2. Either way it still doesn't make it "extortion".
Words have meanings.
pay them $400 for a $70 part. Plus the value of the 256 GB
SSD it replaced, in reality, it's extracted from your wallet by
Apple's mighty macOS tentacles, they know you won't buy another brand.
Your claim was that Apple was worse than other companies in this
regard, and your given example was Samsung...
...and Samsung was actually worse.
Samsung is just being the copycat. Apple is the one making extortion
part of the experience, of using their unique software.
YOU CHOSE THEM.
You deliberately compared Apple's price for memory and storage upgrades...
...TO SAMSUNG.
"OK, but do you even look at Apple's scale of high RAM/storage options?
It's chilling how corporate the entire experience with Apple honestly
is. I'm grateful to stand as a Samsung user."
On 2025-12-12 19:25, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/12/25 8:17 PM, Alan wrote:What was this machine? What model and what year?
Windows 7 annihilated the MacBook I bought, admittedly trying to use
it as a Winblows laptop isn't advisable, but Apple is dainty.
More bullshit words!
Nope, the machine died less than a year old.
How was Apple's hardware "dainty"?
Two cores, 2 GB RAM, primitive compared to Windows laptops of its time.
Because I bet you're making all that up.
Windows 7 was released in July of 2009.
Show us what Windows laptops at the time had so much better specs than
Mac laptops of the same era.
On 2025-12-12 18:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 8:18 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 06:53, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-11 1:25 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-11 05:23, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 12/10/25 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:
So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to >>>>>>>>>>> choose it?Do you even understand that EVERY company charges whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>> it thinks the traffic will bear?
Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just chintzy. >>>>>>>>>>>
Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB NVMe >>>>>>>>>> drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
You still have this ridiculous idea that:
What works for YOU...
...must be what works for EVERYONE.
You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA SSD. 1 >>>>>>>> TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make that 512 GB. >>>>>>>> Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now in 2025*?
Because there are people who really don't need more.
I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will never
fill a 256GB drive.
You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung being
And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful Samsung >>>>>>>>> is!You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be a >>>>>>>>>>> Samsung user.But it's interesting you mention Samsung. Let's compare! >>>>>>>>>>>>>
A 14" M5 MacBook Pro starts at $1,599.
It comes with 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
Upgrading to a 1TB SSD will cost you $200.
<https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch- >>>>>>>>>>>>> space- black- standard-display-apple-m5-chip-with-10-core- >>>>>>>>>>>>> cpu-and-10- core- gpu-16gb- memory-512gb#>
A Samsung Galaxy Galaxy Book5 Pro with 16GB of RAM and a >>>>>>>>>>>>> 512GB SSD would cost you $1,749 (and gets stomped on >>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarks compared to the M5 in the MacBook Pro)... >>>>>>>>>>>>>
...and an upgrade to a 1TB SSD will cost you...
...$350.
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/computers/galaxy-book/galaxy- >>>>>>>>>>>>> book5- pro/ buy/? modelCode=NP940XHA-KG1CA>
You were saying?
Oh, and the benchmark results:
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6294vs6981/Intel- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultra-7-256V- vs- ARM-Apple-M5-10-Core>
Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini has >>>>>>>>>>>> the pricey upgrades of specs.
And now you want to run away!
I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung phone. >>>>>>>>
Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it.
Apple offers me nothing.
better than Apple on the implied idea that they were less
expensive for such upgrades.
Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the
actual facts matched your attempted brag.
No, it's because Apple wants people to opt for online storage
through iCloud. Apple is always looking to gouge the user, so you >>>>>> are either going to opt for an immediate storage upgrade at
ridiculous prices when you buy the hardware or opt for an online
solution which will allow Apple to have a continuous revenue
through selling your data to the highest bidder, much like
Microsoft and Google.
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually
increased in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips.
Meanwhile, upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a
2TB nvme would cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at
purchase because Apple doesn't allow me to change the storage after
I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage
to using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider
their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their
opinion on the matter share my opinion.
I'm not defending the practice.
I'm pointing out that it's what EVERY company does.
You might be right. Either way, it is a disgusting practise. People
should reject any hardware company which provides too little storage
for the era, which demands exorbitant prices for upgrades or doesn't
allow future upgrades.
"People should"?
People do what they feel is in their best interest.
People LIKE laptops that are as thin as possible and that means
integrating components.
No one is forcing them to buy.
On 2025-12-12 11:11 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 18:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 8:18 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
...etc...
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually
increased in price to $255 now because of issues with memory chips. >>>>> Meanwhile, upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook Air to a
2TB nvme would cost me $900. I have no choice but to do it at
purchase because Apple doesn't allow me to change the storage after >>>>> I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage
to using what Apple sells.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I consider >>>>> their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing their
opinion on the matter share my opinion.
I'm not defending the practice.
I'm pointing out that it's what EVERY company does.
You might be right. Either way, it is a disgusting practise. People
should reject any hardware company which provides too little storage
for the era, which demands exorbitant prices for upgrades or doesn't
allow future upgrades.
"People should"?
People do what they feel is in their best interest.
People LIKE laptops that are as thin as possible and that means
integrating components.
No one is forcing them to buy.
Yes, people should. The more people disregard that Apple prevents them
from upgrading, fixing their machines and getting a respectable amount
of storage for the time period, the more Apple will double down on the ripoff. As it is, Apple is benefiting from the fact that customers are looking for an alternative to Windows and enjoy the Apple experience, especially if they own other Apple products.
However, it's just a matter
of time before people realize that they can get the 20-hour battery life from much less expensive Snapdragon laptops, that they can get double
the storage and RAM by paying a few hundred less and that for the
equivalent price of an Apple laptop that can probably play a card game
or two, they can get a capable gaming machine.
Additionally, instead of
the seven years an Apple laptop lasts, a decent PC machine can easily
last a decade, especially since manufacturers are not routinely
soldering components to the motherboard the way Apple does.
On 12/13/25 07:22, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 11:11 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 18:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 8:18 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-12 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-12 3:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
...etc...
Are Apple's storage upgrade prices really "ridiculous"?
No, they aren't.
Here in Canada, I changed the 1TB nvme in my laptop to a 2TB one
supporting OPAL hardware encryption for $175. It's actually
increased in price to $255 now because of issues with memory
chips. Meanwhile, upgrading the 512GB on the highest end MacBook
Air to a 2TB nvme would cost me $900. I have no choice but to do
it at purchase because Apple doesn't allow me to change the
storage after I've received the machine.
That is ridiculous, especially since there is _no_ speed advantage >>>>>> to using what Apple sells.
Hmmm...reviews in years past illustrated otherwise; my recollection is
that Apple has employed RAID 0 SSD boot drives, which is why my 3+yr old Mac's SSD benchmarks at ~5,500MB/sec R/W, despite its then-current PCIe
3.0 x4 tech whose bandwidth limit is ~3,500 MB/s.
I'm sure that you'll defend this practice of theirs, but I
consider their pricing to be ridiculous and many YouTubers voicing >>>>>> their opinion on the matter share my opinion.
I'm not defending the practice.
I'm pointing out that it's what EVERY company does.
You might be right. Either way, it is a disgusting practise. People
should reject any hardware company which provides too little storage
for the era, which demands exorbitant prices for upgrades or doesn't
allow future upgrades.
"People should"?
People do what they feel is in their best interest.
People LIKE laptops that are as thin as possible and that means
integrating components.
No one is forcing them to buy.
Yes, people should. The more people disregard that Apple prevents them
from upgrading, fixing their machines and getting a respectable amount
of storage for the time period, the more Apple will double down on the
ripoff. As it is, Apple is benefiting from the fact that customers are
looking for an alternative to Windows and enjoy the Apple experience,
especially if they own other Apple products.
Or...its that Apple has an obligation to their Stockholders /s
However, it's just a matter of time before people realize that they
can get the 20-hour battery life from much less expensive Snapdragon
laptops, that they can get double the storage and RAM by paying a few
hundred less and that for the equivalent price of an Apple laptop that
can probably play a card game or two, they can get a capable gaming
machine.
Assuming that Microsoft finally does a good job with MS-Windows on ARM,
and gets their software vendors to follow with compiling native Apps.
Additionally, instead of the seven years an Apple laptop lasts, a
decent PC machine can easily last a decade, especially since
manufacturers are not routinely soldering components to the
motherboard the way Apple does.
Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from swollen batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have upgradable RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle with
new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken smartphones too.
Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from swollen batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have upgradable RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch
replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle with
new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken smartphones too.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 16:55:03 -0500, -hh wrote:
Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from swollen
batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have upgradable
RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch
replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle with
new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken
smartphones too.
I was happy to see that the refurbished Lenovo T480 laptop I bought allows for cutting off the charging before the battery is completely full and
that there is a Linux cli utility to set the charge parameters.
My new Samsung phone is also intelligent. The manufacturers have figured
out that many portable devices are going to spend most of their lives
hooked to a charger.
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