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  • Required Reading On Wayland

    From Farley Flud@ff@linux.rocks to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Dec 9 19:53:12 2025
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    Here are just two web pages devoted to the junk Wayland:

    https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277

    https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html

    If you want them, there are many more. Just search -- and learn
    the despicable truth.
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  • From jayjwa@jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Dec 9 15:43:11 2025
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    Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> writes:

    https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
    This is old, and most of the arguments are "Wayland breaks this and
    that". That's like saying "Vim breaks Emacs ctrl-whatever". They are two different things.

    https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html
    The date on that suggestes it's old as well. Yes, some things do
    break. Like xman, xmag, and others. Some things are done differently. I
    use X, but not much on Linux anymore. After Mesa nixxed the radeon kmod,
    I had to move to the amdgpu - and X will hard crash, locking the system,
    every 1-2 days. No one seems to be fixing it and I can't have a crashing system. So Wayland it is. It stays up months, until I take it down. I
    miss remote desktop the most, but I can Xephyr/XDM Unix-like systems and
    RDP Windows (what little I have it running).

    If you want them, there are many more. Just search -- and learn
    the despicable truth.
    I think you should give it a try. A real try. So, I put to you a
    challenge: run any Wayland compositor for 30 days - one month - and then
    report back your *honest* opinion of it after giving it a fair go. Your signature mentions Gentoo so this should be easy and doable for you. No
    X (outside of the Xwayland compat binary that runs). Just Wayland.
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  • From Farley Flud@ff@linux.rocks to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Dec 10 00:06:29 2025
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    On Tue, 09 Dec 2025 15:43:11 -0500, jayjwa wrote:


    I think you should give it a try. A real try.


    I have given it a try.

    It's junk. A lot of my software does not work.

    If you want to use Wayland then fine. But don't impose
    your choice on the rest of the GNU/Linux community.

    But such software "fascism" seems to be the rule of the major
    GNU/Linux distros.

    Fortunately, X11 will be around for a long time.
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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Dec 10 01:37:13 2025
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    Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> news:pan$991db$44423a4$ab2b9133$f04666ae@linux.rocks Wed, 10 Dec 2025
    00:06:29 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Dec 2025 15:43:11 -0500, jayjwa wrote:


    I think you should give it a try. A real try.


    I have given it a try.

    It's junk. A lot of my software does not work.

    That's rather vague. Why specifically does a lot of your software not work properly or at all?
    Is it just not working properly, or at all? Please clarify and explain why.

    If you want to use Wayland then fine. But don't impose
    your choice on the rest of the GNU/Linux community.

    Umm? I didn't see them attempting to do that...
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  • From Mekeor Melire@mekeor@posteo.de to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Dec 10 09:26:41 2025
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    2025-12-09 19:53 ff@linux.rocks:

    Here are just two web pages devoted to the junk Wayland:

    https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html

    The follow-up blog post “Reassessing Wayland” [1] which states:

    my original post is very outdated and it is not fair to leave it
    up in its current state without acknowledging the work that has
    been done. So in comparison to 3 years ago, I have a much more
    positive outlook now. Upstream Wayland basically fixed most of
    the technical things I complained about.

    [1] https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2025-02-03-wayland-xorg-2/wayland-xorg-2.html

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  • From Farley Flud@ff@linux.rocks to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Dec 10 11:12:31 2025
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    On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 01:37:13 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:


    That's rather vague. Why specifically does a lot of your software not work properly or at all?
    Is it just not working properly, or at all? Please clarify and explain why.


    FVWM3, the window manager, does not work with Wayland and this
    alone takes me completely out of business. I would be totally
    dead in the water.

    Legacy virtual terminals, like xterm, will not work.

    Ffmpeg, another critical tool, does not completely work.

    Geomview, another critical tool, does not function because
    of its dependency on xforms.

    The Tk (i.e. Tcl/Tk) is also dead.

    The list goes on.

    With Wayland, I would be paralyzed.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIER@sc@fiat-linux.fr to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri Dec 12 19:53:41 2025
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    Le 10-12-2025, Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> a écrit :
    2025-12-09 19:53 ff@linux.rocks:

    Here are just two web pages devoted to the junk Wayland:

    https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html

    The follow-up blog post “Reassessing Wayland” [1] which states:

    my original post is very outdated and it is not fair to leave it
    up in its current state without acknowledging the work that has
    been done. So in comparison to 3 years ago, I have a much more
    positive outlook now. Upstream Wayland basically fixed most of
    the technical things I complained about.

    [1] https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2025-02-03-wayland-xorg-2/wayland-xorg-2.html

    You want FF/FR/DG/LP/NV/whatever to be honest, fair, up to date, willing
    to learn and able to manage new things? At the same time? That's asking
    for way too much.
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