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Changelog:

https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1

I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence
intermittently. Report filed:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv
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On 2025-12-13 12:28 a.m., vallor wrote:

Changelog:

https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1

I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release) NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence
intermittently. Report filed:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv

In other words, using Linux demands continuous compromises.
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At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:26:39 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2025-12-13 12:28 a.m., vallor wrote:

Changelog:

https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1

I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release) NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence intermittently. Report filed:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv

In other words, using Linux demands continuous compromises.

That turns out not to be the case. Mainstream distributions
let drivers and kernels "cook" for a while before incorporating
them -- my report is at the bleeding edge, where the testing
goes on.
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.

But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.
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At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:36:23 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.

But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.

It's in the nvidia-bug-report.gz, but I didn't say it outright:
I tried the MIT/GPL code, didn't try the proprietary.
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At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:26:51 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:36:23 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.

But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.

It's in the nvidia-bug-report.gz, but I didn't say it outright:
I tried the MIT/GPL code, didn't try the proprietary.

Just tested the proprietary branch for
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run

...which I fully expected to work, but it doesn't. Reverted
to the stable (for me) driver.
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On 2025-12-13, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:26:39 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2025-12-13 12:28 a.m., vallor wrote:

Changelog:

https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1

I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence
intermittently. Report filed:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv

In other words, using Linux demands continuous compromises.

That turns out not to be the case. Mainstream distributions
let drivers and kernels "cook" for a while before incorporating
them -- my report is at the bleeding edge, where the testing
goes on.

Indeed.
LinuxMint updated my kernel yesterday.

pothead@LinuxMint:~$ date
Sat Dec 13 10:20:42 AM EST 2025
pothead@LinuxMint:~$ uname -a
Linux LinuxMint 6.8.0-90-generic #91-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Nov 18 14:14:30 UTC 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
pothead@LinuxMint:~$
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Teach a Democrat to fish and......
He'll steal your rod
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Assault the fish &
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:53:32 +0000, vallor wrote:

Just tested the proprietary branch for
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run

...which I fully expected to work, but it doesn't. Reverted
to the stable (for me) driver.

Well, you now have the option for some serious debugging.

The problem could be in Nvidia or it could be in the DE software.
You need to check the X11 log for any info (it usually doesn't
have any).

There are countless other possibilities.

I wouldn't bother.
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On 2025-12-13 9:53 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:26:51 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:36:23 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:

The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)

...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.

Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.

But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.

It's in the nvidia-bug-report.gz, but I didn't say it outright:
I tried the MIT/GPL code, didn't try the proprietary.

Just tested the proprietary branch for
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run

...which I fully expected to work, but it doesn't. Reverted
to the stable (for me) driver.

Linux just works!
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Le 13-12-2025, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> a écrit :

You need to check the X11 log for any info (it usually doesn't
have any).

Are you plainly writing that X11 is shit? I can't believe that. It's
Christmas before Christmas.
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On 13 Dec 2025 16:10:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 13-12-2025, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> a écrit :

You need to check the X11 log for any info (it usually doesn't
have any).

Are you plainly writing that X11 is shit?

Nope. That's just your idiotic interpretation.

I am stating that debugging a problem with any graphical
subsystem, such as X11, can be very difficult.

Since I am not experiencing the same issue, I cannot provide
any useful recommendations.

Debugging in general can be very difficult. There can be
many approaches.

But you wouldn't know because you are a distro doggie.
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 11:08:30 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

Linux just works!

Yes, it most certainly does.

So what is your point?

Or are you just advocating for a fist in your face?
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Le 13-12-2025, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> a écrit :

On 13 Dec 2025 16:10:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 13-12-2025, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> a écrit :

You need to check the X11 log for any info (it usually doesn't
have any).

Are you plainly writing that X11 is shit?

Nope. That's just your idiotic interpretation.

You should had stopped your post there. At least your insult could have
been just funny, but your following sentences proved you don't
understand what you are fighting against.

I am stating that debugging a problem with any graphical
subsystem, such as X11, can be very difficult.

Yes. Mostly without logs. It's the Windows way: Microsoft hides
everything to avoid end-users to be afraid. If X11 does the same, it
won't help.

Since I am not experiencing the same issue, I cannot provide
any useful recommendations.

Even if you were experiencing the same issue you would be unable to
help. And the lack of logs is only proving X11 is a shit, not that you
have any knowledge.

Debugging in general can be very difficult. There can be
many approaches.

Yes. The best one is to read the logs. Unfortunately, that doesn't
exist with a shitty program.

But you wouldn't know because you are a distro doggie.

The fact that you just proved that X11 is shit isn't related with my
knowledge.
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On 13 Dec 2025 18:02:40 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Debugging in general can be very difficult. There can be
many approaches.

Yes. The best one is to read the logs. Unfortunately, that doesn't
exist with a shitty program.

Shut up you idiot! You know nothing about GNU/Linux debugging.

Firstly, in order to effectively debug, a program must be compiled
with debugging options. In the case of GCC these would be "-g dwarf2." Otherwise, all symbols will be stripped.

But one program alone would not be sufficient. The entire system
should be built with debugging options. Indeed, most developer
systems are built in this way, but end user systems are usually not.

Thus, effective debugging cannot be accomplished by checking logs
alone unless the log output is pre-built or pre-configured to provide
debugging output.

You have nothing to contribute to this group except idiotic bombast.
Get out and stay out.
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Le 13-12-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

On 13 Dec 2025 18:02:40 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Debugging in general can be very difficult. There can be
many approaches.

Yes. The best one is to read the logs. Unfortunately, that doesn't
exist with a shitty program.

Shut up you

I do what I want and you won't be able to make me obey you.

idiot!

Once again, the only insult you know. And something that I already know.

You know nothing about GNU/Linux debugging.

There is nothing specific about Linux for debugging.

Firstly, in order to effectively debug, a program must be compiled
with debugging options.

No. The fact that you only read words without understanding them is
obvious. You should avoid sentences showing your lack of knowledge.

Thus, effective debugging cannot be accomplished by checking logs
alone unless the log output is pre-built or pre-configured to provide debugging output.

You mean a program needs to be correctly developed to be able to be
debugged? Agreed.

You have nothing to contribute to this group except idiotic bombast.
Get out and stay out.

I do what I want and you can't change that. By the way, I'm still
waiting for the killers you sent months ago. Did they lost their way?
Is Paris that difficult to find for an American? Or, more probably, did
you dreamed when writing here?
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