From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai-zero-return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative
AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in
value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in
ways humans can


. . .

Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment
in this tech - but it's returning almost NOTHING
for all the investment.

NOT a good business model.

The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the
very annoying Humans.

Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address
to the local Soylent Green factory.

BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

System error.


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

You are right, bro - but where's the button to reset??


Am 20.08.25 um 08:46 schrieb c186282:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai- zero-return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative
AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in
value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in
ways humans can

. . .

  Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

  Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

  In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment
  in this tech - but it's returning almost NOTHING
  for all the investment.

  NOT a good business model.

  The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the
  very annoying Humans.

  Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address
  to the local Soylent Green factory.

  BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

  That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

  Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

  System error.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 2025-08-20 08:46, c186282 wrote:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai- zero-return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative
AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in
value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in
ways humans can

. . .

  Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

  Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

  In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment
  in this tech - but it's returning almost NOTHING
  for all the investment.

  NOT a good business model.

  The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the
  very annoying Humans.

  Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address
  to the local Soylent Green factory.

  BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

  That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

  Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

  System error.

Means you have to change the economy paradigm and start dishing the
universal salary.

But that's a communism! The USA dies of infarct.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 20/08/2025 11:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-08-20 08:46, c186282 wrote:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai-
zero-return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative
AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in
value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in
ways humans can


. . .

   Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

   Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

   In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment
   in this tech - but it's returning almost NOTHING
   for all the investment.

   NOT a good business model.

   The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the
   very annoying Humans.

   Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address
   to the local Soylent Green factory.

   BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

   That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

   Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

   System error.

Means you have to change the economy paradigm and start dishing the universal salary.

But that's a communism! The USA dies of infarct.

Well that is not far from some kind of inevitable

As much as people like to pretend that nations are shaped by Great
Thinkers or Poltical Events, the reality is that the political events
arise out of the technology that those nations adopt.

A horse drawn iron plough (plow) betas an Oox drawn wooden one hands down...

Mass-produced repeating rifles destroy a nation using bows and arrows.
No matter how noble it is.

WE have already eliminated Labour as a meaningful force, with heavy
machines, then we eliminated the clerk and the copy typist with
computers, we will now eliminate the programmers with AI.

All that cheap production, but no one with the money to buy it...
--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:46:24 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment in this tech - but
it's returning almost NOTHING for all the investment.

NOT a good business model.

The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the very annoying Humans.

BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

This is the end result of decades of business culture that promotes
idiots who make impressive-sounding noises over people with actual line-of-business knowledge and/or real management savvy - a bunch of billionaire morons lighting money on fire in hopes of obsoleting the
workers they've already mostly reduced to wage-slaves out of pure
greed, with no consideration for whether the thing they're burning it
on will ever do the thing they hope it will* or whether their lunatic
gamble doesn't stand a real chance of cratering the very economy that
gives their billions any real-world value** in the first place.

* (It won't, at least not the particular technology that all their
moron AI-startup CEO friends are all-in on.)
** (It does.)

Just *beyond* insane - reckless, irresponsible squandering for the sake
of nothing at all beyond sociopathic contempt for everyone they
consider beneath them. Sadly, we're not likely to get the "investors
jumping from windows" phase of the crash - that'd require a level of
basic self-awareness that these flesh-suit simulacra are simply not
capable of - but we can hope that in the fallout they might at least be
eaten alive by starving peasants.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:46:24 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in <xF-dnWPbhere8jj1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai-zero-

return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in ways humans
can

. . .

Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment in this tech - but
it's returning almost NOTHING for all the investment.

NOT a good business model.

The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the very annoying Humans.

Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address to the local Soylent
Green factory.

BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

System error.

Well, think about it: capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

Might need to move to UBI.

BTW, for some AI examples, I've posted to comp.ai.shells,
including a recent success story with a slightly complex
network configuration.

I used to refer to ChatGPT as "the father of lies" because
of its hallucinations, but it is fairly solid when it comes
to "here's the configuration I want, give me the netplan file"
type of problems.
--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G
OS: Linux 6.16.1 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18
NVIDIA: 580.76.05 Mem: 258G
"Inertia makes the world go round."
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 8/20/25 8:05 PM, vallor wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:46:24 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in <xF-dnWPbhere8jj1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/ai/invested-billions-ai-zero-

return/

There has been over $30B in enterprise investments into generative AI

5% of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions in value'

AI systems fail due to their inability to learn and think in ways humans
can


. . .

Um ... don't expect "AI" to be Just Like US.

Be HAPPY if it's even a LITTLE Like Us.

In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment in this tech - but
it's returning almost NOTHING for all the investment.

NOT a good business model.

The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the very annoying Humans.

Guess they go into ghettos ... with an address to the local Soylent
Green factory.

BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

That's the BIG Flaw in all this.

Obsolete/broke people CAN'T buy your stuff.

System error.

Well, think about it: capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

What about when NO ONE can work ? Where does
the money come from ? The food ?

Might need to move to UBI.

Some little 3rd-world dumps are beginning to
look good ...

A hovel, maybe a crappy old boat ...

BTW, for some AI examples, I've posted to comp.ai.shells,
including a recent success story with a slightly complex
network configuration.

I used to refer to ChatGPT as "the father of lies" because
of its hallucinations, but it is fairly solid when it comes
to "here's the configuration I want, give me the netplan file"
type of problems.

YOUR job gone next week .....
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

W dniu 21.08.2025 o 02:05, vallor pisze:

Well, think about it: capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

But physical reality guarantee, that there is always many more
profitable business to do than people/entrepreneurs actually can
perform. This is guarantee by The Creator of the Universe. To be more
precise: I think that all "profitable business" in the Universe are
calculated in that way each live human has something useful to do. But
due to many parasitans (who do not works as expected), for honest people
there is many more useful jobs. So this is not related to the
capitalism, nor socialism, nor nasism. This is pure Totliazlism
thinking. More about this philosophy you can read from WWW page of prof.
Jan Pająk from NZ, who discover Totalizm philosophy:

<https://pajak.org.nz/totalizm.htm>

And its pioneer monograph 8e:

<https://pajak.org.nz/text_8.htm>

Note: Above links lead to the early works on the Totalizm, and now are outdated. But still actual in core aspects. Nova days Totalism
philosophy were completely understand and described by me in the
monograph "Ideology of Powerful Geniuses", available for free (as free
beer) on my home page, alas currently only in Polish language:

<https://energokod.pl/monografie/Ideologia%20Geniuszy-Mocarzy.pdf>

Note: This breakthrough works are still in progress.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 20/08/2025 16:54, John Ames wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:46:24 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

In any case, there has been VAST VAST investment in this tech - but
it's returning almost NOTHING for all the investment.

NOT a good business model.

The evil GOAL ... disemploy almost all of the very annoying Humans.

BUT ... WHO then has the money to Buy Your Stuff ???

This is the end result of decades of business culture that promotes
idiots who make impressive-sounding noises over people with actual line-of-business knowledge and/or real management savvy - a bunch of billionaire morons lighting money on fire in hopes of obsoleting the
workers they've already mostly reduced to wage-slaves out of pure
greed, with no consideration for whether the thing they're burning it
on will ever do the thing they hope it will* or whether their lunatic
gamble doesn't stand a real chance of cratering the very economy that
gives their billions any real-world value** in the first place.

All driven by the financial emancipation of consumers with far more
money than sense..

* (It won't, at least not the particular technology that all their
moron AI-startup CEO friends are all-in on.)
** (It does.)

Just *beyond* insane - reckless, irresponsible squandering for the sake
of nothing at all beyond sociopathic contempt for everyone they
consider beneath them. Sadly, we're not likely to get the "investors
jumping from windows" phase of the crash - that'd require a level of
basic self-awareness that these flesh-suit simulacra are simply not
capable of - but we can hope that in the fallout they might at least be
eaten alive by starving peasants.

Don't hold back, Say what you think...
From a European perspective the problem is that the USA is simply too
rich for its level of wisdom

It plays with expensive toys while the rest of the world struggles to
eat. And equates the pure dumb luck of inhabiting a continent stuffed
with resources but not people, as a demonstration of innate superiority, rather than good fortune.
--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 21/08/2025 04:39, c186282 wrote:

Well, think about it:  capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

  What about when NO ONE can work ? Where does
  the money come from ? The food ?

Uncle Robot
--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx



--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 21/08/2025 09:44, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But physical reality guarantee, that there is always many more
profitable business to do than people/entrepreneurs actually can perform.

Now go and apply that to the Kalahari desert
--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx



--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

W dniu 21.08.2025 o 11:22, The Natural Philosopher pisze:

On 21/08/2025 09:44, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But physical reality guarantee, that there is always many more
profitable business to do than people/entrepreneurs actually can perform.

Now go and apply that to the Kalahari desert

What did you say? You probably mean "Greenland arctic desert" - this is popular in USA nova days. Then ask your president - he surely will know.

But for your information: we talk about "work for all people", and not
about "work everywhere".
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:20:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It plays with expensive toys while the rest of the world struggles to
eat. And equates the pure dumb luck of inhabiting a continent stuffed
with resources but not people, as a demonstration of innate superiority, rather than good fortune.

As opposed to a little island light on natural resources that attempted to colonize the world to get raw materials and was really upset when the colonials developed their own value adding industries?
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:20:44 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

All driven by the financial emancipation of consumers with far more
money than sense..

There's a lot of things you can pin on consumer stupidity, but I doubt
this is one of 'em. It's probably in part a natural consequence of the
fact that sensible people may sometimes hire idiots/grifters by
mistake, but idiots/grifters, once they have a foothold, will pretty
much always hire more idiots/grifters, but in the US it got a big boost
from a catastrophic court verdict stating that the primary duty of
management in a publically-traded corporation was to the stockholders
and the actual health of the business was at best a secondary concern
(let alone little questions like "is what we're doing in any way
ethical?" or "do people even *want* what we're trying to sell them?")
Ed Zitron has a pretty good rundown on how this unfolded:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/tss/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-era-of-the-business-idiot/

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:59:25 -0700, John Ames wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:20:44 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

All driven by the financial emancipation of consumers with far more
money than sense..

There's a lot of things you can pin on consumer stupidity, but I doubt
this is one of 'em. It's probably in part a natural consequence of the
fact that sensible people may sometimes hire idiots/grifters by mistake,
but idiots/grifters, once they have a foothold, will pretty much always
hire more idiots/grifters, but in the US it got a big boost from a catastrophic court verdict stating that the primary duty of management
in a publically-traded corporation was to the stockholders and the
actual health of the business was at best a secondary concern (let alone little questions like "is what we're doing in any way ethical?" or "do
people even *want* what we're trying to sell them?") Ed Zitron has a
pretty good rundown on how this unfolded:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/tss/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-era-of-the-business-idiot/

The Ford (who was a horrible man otherwise) link didn't go where I
thought it would. Edison, Ford, and other innovators that felt they had
been badly used by the Wall Street money men tended to be bitter.

The failure of Ford's peace mission also colored his theory of who was responsible for selling the idea of war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Ship



--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 21/08/2025 21:59, John Ames wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:20:44 +0100
The Natural Philosopher<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

All driven by the financial emancipation of consumers with far more
money than sense..

There's a lot of things you can pin on consumer stupidity, but I doubt
this is one of 'em.

That is a perspective gleaned from years of experience selling tech into commercial and industrial markets and looking at buyer choices made by consumers.
Consumers buy fashionable ShinyShit™ because they can afford to and they
are bored.
Industrial and commercial businesses by BoringOldShit™ because it will
do the job at minimal cost.

I think the epitome of that was when I worked a year in a company making electric guitars. The principal said 'we aren't selling guitars. We are selling dreams. 90% of these will never be played beyond the bedroom'

My summary of that perspective on products is 'All chrome and tailfins' referring to the total dross that was the 1950s American car market.

Money spent on styling, but not on making a better car.

And te Americans - whom we referred to during WW2 as 'over sexed, over
paid, and over here' - just lapped it all up.

Bless!
--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 8/21/25 5:21 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/08/2025 04:39, c186282 wrote:

Well, think about it:  capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

   What about when NO ONE can work ? Where does
   the money come from ? The food ?

Uncle Robot

Oh no, no, no !!!

Too much AI = nobody with money to buy stuff

No customers, no profits. Uncle 'Bot will have
empty pockets.


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 22/08/2025 14:29, c186282 wrote:

On 8/21/25 5:21 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/08/2025 04:39, c186282 wrote:

Well, think about it:  capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

   What about when NO ONE can work ? Where does
   the money come from ? The food ?

Uncle Robot

  Oh no, no, no !!!

  Too much AI = nobody with money to buy stuff

Not at all. They just print money and give it to you.

So you can buy their products

  No customers, no profits. Uncle 'Bot will have
  empty pockets.

Money and wealth are not the same things.
Since the end of Bretton woods



--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone



--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

On 8/22/25 2:49 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/08/2025 14:29, c186282 wrote:

On 8/21/25 5:21 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/08/2025 04:39, c186282 wrote:

Well, think about it:  capitalism has no guarantee that there will
be jobs for everybody who can work.

   What about when NO ONE can work ? Where does
   the money come from ? The food ?

Uncle Robot

   Oh no, no, no !!!

   Too much AI = nobody with money to buy stuff

Not at all. They just print money and give it to you.

So you can buy their products

Oh ... just wow ..........

   No customers, no profits. Uncle 'Bot will have
   empty pockets.

Money and wealth are not the same things.
Since the end of Bretton woods

People DO stuff to make money - money is a sort
of proxy for 'work'. However if you do no work
then ........

Too much "AI" = almost nobody DOING anything.

I see it all ... vast vast ghettos full of crap
govt apt blocks, warehousing for the unemployable.
Stand in line every day for your food ration.

Then, soon, you'll see Soylent Green on the list.

And the portions will get smaller and smaller until ...

Why should the elite support a vast number of
unemployables ? Just let 'em DIE. Keep a few
of the pretty girls for slaves, otherwise the
bots will take care of the menial stuff.

Hmmmm ... there was an old Trek about an elite
living SO well and nice in a 'cloud city'. No
one even thought about the slaves providing the
stuff - except maybe the govt propaganda about
how they LIKED living that way. Now sub AI/bots
for the slave labor and what picture do you get ?
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2