• Re: What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?

    From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 12 22:43:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 22:28:01 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    To be honest, I can think of a reason/situation or two why/when an sd-card would be something good to have. But when wants to think of himself as the only one who knows anything, and we are "strange completely ignorant uneducated trolls" ? Than I'm not really feeling inclined (understatement) to help him support his arguments. Something I definitily /would/ do in a honest discussion.

    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only something you and Frank would come up with - where at least you could have figured out that
    the cloud (if you pay through the nose for it) would do some of what sd
    does (but at a price, not only in cost, but in privacy as it has to be paid
    for in the huge sizes that sd cards do for you, e.g., for your map data).

    That you and Frank can't figure out what an sd card does is one piece of
    the puzzle that informs me that both your IQs added up don't reach normal.

    Add Alan Baker's IQ & the combination of your IQ added to Frank's IQ
    coupled with Alan Bakers IQ of about 40, brings the net to about 50.

    Not one of you fools has any idea nor any experience with sd cards.
    *Tutorial: How to set up sdcards for re-use & backup/restore*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=47737&group=comp.mobile.android#47737>

    BTW, I'm not surprised Alan Baker never used an sd card because he owns iPhones, but I was at first surprised that neither Rudy nor Frank ever used them. It's clear neither of them has any experience whatsoever with them.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 00:13:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-12 18:43, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 22:28:01 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    To be honest, I can think of a reason/situation or two why/when an sd-card >> would be something good to have. But when wants to think of himself as the >> only one who knows anything, and we are "strange completely ignorant
    uneducated trolls" ? Than I'm not really feeling inclined (understatement) >> to help him support his arguments. Something I definitily /would/ do in a >> honest discussion.

    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only something you and Frank would come up with - where at least you could have figured out that
    the cloud (if you pay through the nose for it) would do some of what sd
    does (but at a price, not only in cost, but in privacy as it has to be paid for in the huge sizes that sd cards do for you, e.g., for your map data).

    That you and Frank can't figure out what an sd card does is one piece of
    the puzzle that informs me that both your IQs added up don't reach normal.

    Add Alan Baker's IQ & the combination of your IQ added to Frank's IQ
    coupled with Alan Bakers IQ of about 40, brings the net to about 50.
    Oh, look!

    Empty insults instead of actual facts!
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 10:09:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Jesus Christ, Rudy.

    It's becoming clear you don't even know what a Message ID is.
    Even though I gave you the Message IDs from this very thread.

    How would you know ? Mind reading again ? And you do seem to have a reading problem (which I've mentioned a few times now, so it must be true).

    I said I *would not* go thru those messages, as I would be searching for something I have no idea to what it looks like *and you do*.

    You *really* are allergic to providing quotes of your own claims, aren't
    you.

    You two trolls are twinsees.

    You both ask for what was already stated, and then when I give you
    the exact post, you still claim you're unable to read what was
    already posted.

    If you refuse to read them, then just quit saying I didn't provide
    them.

    :-) Kiddo, for as long as I've known you you have tried to send people on
    wild goose chases - claiming stuf would be "in there" and than demanded they find it themselves. Although I'm just one of those "strange completely ignorant
    uneducated trolls", I *do* have a memory. :-)

    No kiddo, if you can't even find your own claim back in the list of messages you posted yourself than I'm going to take that it doesn't exist.

    I'm not an ignorant uneducated unhelpful person like you are,
    Rudy.

    You *are* ignorant, uneducated and unhelpfull.

    You are *willfully* ignorant, as you refuse to even talk about the downsides
    of having an sd-card slot.

    You *claim* to have an education, but are not showing any results of it. An engeneer who can't even do do a single pro/con comparision ? Unthinkable.

    And you *are* unhelpfull, as the "tutorials" you post are not to help others (otherwise you would have tried to actually make them readable), but just to show yourself off.

    I have entire *tutorials* on what you can do with sd cards, Rudy.
    *Tutorial: How to set up sdcards for re-use & backup/restore* <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=47737&group=comp.mobile.android#47737>

    You can ofcourse prove that "Wally J" is actually you, and you are not
    engaging in stolen valor ? Yeah, I thought so. Thats the downside of nym shifting. <whistle>

    And did I already mention that, as a result of all your claims-of-facts that you refuse to support, I do not trust you ? Well, I don't. As a result
    you will need to come up with a "bit" more than "because I say so".

    Besides, what I read in there is why you shouldn't try to use an sd-card
    that way. Seeing that you filled at least two posts it takes a lot of
    effort to massage the copied sd-card so it will accepted as the origional.

    ... but you will no doubt forcefully reject the above and refuse to talk
    about it, as its not favorable to your "*must* have an sd-card slot" stance.

    How are you going to successively individually add, as
    prices drop, inexpensive portable storage to a device
    that doesn't have the slot?

    Easy: I just buy myself a bigger thumbdrive.

    Oh, wait: I already mentioned the/my thumbdrive, and you have not responded
    to that. Chances are (understatement) you won't here either.

    Newsflash: that you do not want to have something true doesn't mean it
    isn't - *especially* when you refuse to talk about the pros and cons of it.

    Besides, if-and-when you use that (those?) sd-card slot(s) as you are advertising, chances are it (they?) are broken /long/ before that time.
    Good luck getting it (them?) repaired.

    As I mentioned before, one thing I will agree with you : being able to
    cheaply extend the build-in memory with an sd-card is something for the
    "pro" column.

    But as long as that is the *only* column you want to talk about ...

    It's obvious neither of you trolls has any experience with sd
    cards, Rudy. I happen to have a lot of experience.

    Really ? I doubt it.

    You have no experience with sd cards.

    Mind-reading again ?

    Or do I now have to claim, as a hobby electronicus and programmer, to have quite a bit of knowledge about them ? And than follow that up with the
    claim that as you are just a lowly user you definitily can't know more about them than I do ?

    I could do that ofcourse. But than you will no doubt show me how hypocrite
    you are, by demanding I prove it.

    And that causes me to remember : when are you ging to prove your claim of having absolved "higher education" and having engeneers papers? What ?
    Never ?

    How fully unsuspected. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 10:49:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only
    something you and Frank would come up with

    But carrying either a charger or just a charging cable with you everywhere
    you go is ofcourse absolutily normal.

    Or a headphone/earplugs to listen to music or call people while not needing
    to keep the phone in hand. Or apples smart watches.

    Also, weren't you talking about easily being able to exchange your "external storage" ? Are you only doing that at home ? If not than you must be carrying some sd-cards with you.

    But yes, someone adding a thumbdrive to that mix would be plain silly.

    Oh, wait ... I've been carrying one around with me for *years* (a 1GB stick. That tell you how long ago it is), far before I got my first smartphone. I guess that made me silly. I did enjoy having my files with me though, no matter the 'puter I was infront of.

    where at least you could have figured out that the cloud
    ...
    (but at a price, not only in cost, but in privacy

    Or you could have figured out home servers.

    Old 'puters are cheap to get, and you get absolute privacy. Just install some version of linux, and off you go.

    Ah, you fully forgot about that possibility. That happens I suppose.

    but I was at first surprised that neither Rudy nor Frank
    ever used them.

    And you know that ... how ? Ah, mindreading again.

    It's clear neither of them has any experience whatsoever with them.

    If you say so.

    The next time someone asks me about how to connect them to a microcontroller and access them I will tell them so, and give them your name. *You* know *everything* about them, right ? :-p

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 14:24:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 10:49:37 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only
    something you and Frank would come up with

    But carrying either a charger or just a charging cable with you everywhere you go is ofcourse absolutily normal.

    WTF?

    It seems only you & Frank would suggest people bring along a *permanently attached* thumbdrive at all times with them because they lack sd hardware.

    In your car is a charging cable connected to a charger in the car.
    In a few places in your home is a charging cable connected to a charger.
    When you travel by plane/bus/rail you bring along a charger & cable.

    But that's essentially the only time you bother to carry a charger.
    Don't you have a modern-sized battery, Rudy? Like around 5Ah or more?

    If not, then the problem is simply your battery is woefully substandard.

    Or a headphone/earplugs to listen to music or call people while not needing to keep the phone in hand. Or apples smart watches.

    In your car may be a bluetooth speaker, generally attached to the vehicle.
    In a few places in your home may be bluetooth speakers/headphones also.
    When you travel by plane/bus/rail you may bring along headphones/earbuds.

    While just walking around, many people do bring along a set of earbuds.

    But only you and Frank would suggest people bring along a *permanently attached* thumbdrive at all times with them to work around lack of sd H/W.

    Also, weren't you talking about easily being able to exchange your "external storage" ? Are you only doing that at home ? If not than you must be carrying some sd-cards with you.

    Since T-Mobile gave me my first 3 free Galaxies, shipped to me, I simply
    put the 32GB sdcard (bought at 2021 prices) into each at home upon booting.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/9FYksj3z/tmopromo05.jpg>

    But yes, someone adding a thumbdrive to that mix would be plain silly.

    Over time, because I'm rough on phones, T-Mobile exchanged two of my
    Galaxies for free at the T-Mobile store, where I simply popped the old
    sdcard out of the phone and popped in the new sdcard at the T-Mobile store.

    Adding a thumbdrive permanently to a phone is only a suggestion that
    someone who doesn't understand sd card hardware could possibly suggest.

    It's ridiculous.

    Oh, wait ... I've been carrying one around with me for *years* (a 1GB stick. That tell you how long ago it is), far before I got my first smartphone. I guess that made me silly. I did enjoy having my files with me though, no matter the 'puter I was infront of.

    Only you and Frank would suggest people *permanently attach* a thumbdrive
    at all times on their phone in order to work around the lack of proper H/W.

    It's just absurd.


    where at least you could have figured out that the cloud
    ...
    (but at a price, not only in cost, but in privacy

    Or you could have figured out home servers.

    Windows doesn't do such servers all that well; but routers do them well.

    It's not a bad idea for me to write a helpful tutorial on the process of setting up a secure private home swerver from Windows using a home router.

    Maybe, since you know so much Rudy, you or Frank or even the completely unhelpful Alan Baker will beat me to it and write that tutorial for us.

    Old 'puters are cheap to get, and you get absolute privacy. Just install some version of linux, and off you go.

    Ah, you fully forgot about that possibility. That happens I suppose.

    It's interesting how *desperate* you are to find a workaround to a
    ten-dollar sd card, Rudy... simply because your phone lacks sd hardware.

    but I was at first surprised that neither Rudy nor Frank
    ever used them.

    And you know that ... how ? Ah, mindreading again.

    The fact you have no idea what portable memory is, Rudy, is the evidence I
    use to ascertain the observation that you know nothing about sd card use.

    It's clear neither of them has any experience whatsoever with them.

    If you say so.

    The next time someone asks me about how to connect them to a microcontroller and access them I will tell them so, and give them your name. *You* know *everything* about them, right ? :-p

    I designed and hand wired my own Motorola 68701 microcontroller many
    decades ago, Rudy, while in grad school, where I programmed the EEPROM by
    rote, since it's easier to use the hex code than the assembly commands.

    In summary of this thread, it appears that, other than Arno, and possibly Carlos, Rudy and Frank (and Alan) have never used sd cards in their lives.

    At least not on phones.

    SO it's no wonder they have no clue what can be done with sd cards in a
    phone which is impossible to replicate no matter how desperate they are.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 19:18:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only
    something you and Frank would come up with

    But carrying either a charger or just a charging cable with you
    everywhere you go is ofcourse absolutily normal.

    WTF?

    It seems only you & Frank would suggest people bring along a
    *permanently attached* thumbdrive at all times with them because
    they lack sd hardware.

    Funny, every time you come up with an example - data transfer between two machines in this case - and you get a counter example you come up with something else that you you /supposedly/ also ment.

    As for an answer ? I already have 'permanently attached' memory in my
    phone. I do not need an sd-card for that.

    You *really* need to come up with something that *only* can be resolved by
    an sd-card I'm afraid.

    When you travel by plane/bus/rail you bring along a charger & cable.

    Or any other public place. Or /any/ other place you are not sure they have the charger/cable you need.

    But why do you take a charger with you in those cases ? Do you have some
    kind of a crap battery that goes flat when you actually use your phone a bit
    ?

    My phone has no problem when I go visit friends or somewhere else and stay a night or two.

    But even than I /at least/ take a charging cable with me. Just to be sure.

    While just walking around, many people do bring along a set of earbuds.

    Or driving. Or sitting somewhere, or working, or ... But yes, as I already said.

    And I see you skipped my apple watch example.

    Bottom line, people bring stuff with them to be used with the phone all the time. Adding a thumbdrive to it won't break the bank.

    Also, weren't you talking about easily being able to exchange your
    "external storage" ? Are you only doing that at home ? If not
    than you must be carrying some sd-cards with you.

    Since T-Mobile gave me my first 3 free Galaxies, shipped to me,
    I simply put the 32GB sdcard (bought at 2021 prices) into each

    Ah yes, making your argument jump from the external sd-card to the internal one.

    And your famous "lack of understanding" of even a simple sentence (the first one in the above quote. No, kiddo, thats not for your sake, but for other readers wondering what I'm talking about).

    But only you and Frank would suggest people bring along a
    *permanently attached* thumbdrive at all times

    Thats the second time in this post you claim we did so. And as you are
    known to make up "facts" as you please, its time for you to quote where we
    did I'm afraid.

    Which you ofcourse never will.

    Or you could have figured out home servers.

    Windows doesn't do such servers all that well; but routers
    do them well.

    Thank you for confirming that, a home server, is a possibility too. :-)

    It's not a bad idea for me to write a helpful tutorial on the
    process of setting up a secure private home swerver from Windows
    using a home router.

    ... or just grab yourself any old 'puter and put (a version of) linux on it.

    Besides, "from Windows using a home router" ? That does very mouch sound
    as if you will be churning out one of your famous impossible-to-follow
    garbage tutorials.

    Besides, there are quite a number of different routers. Are you going to
    talk about all of them ? Ofcourse not. IOW, you will talk about your own router, and leave it at that - thereby severely limiting your audience.

    But hey, do write it and make yourself think you're the greatest.

    Though if anyone asks I will just tell them to google "linux home server",
    and than choose one of the multitude of readily available /real/ tutorials :

    https://www.imaginelinux.com/set-up-linux-home-server/ https://www.virtualizationhowto.com/2023/09/top-5-home-server-os-distros-for-self-hosting/
    https://www.techradar.com/best/best-linux-server-distro https://www.linuxboost.com/how-to-set-up-a-home-server-with-ubuntu/ https://www.fosslinux.com/140755/linux-servers-ideal-for-home-use.htm

    And thats just the first five.

    Maybe, since you know so much Rudy, you or Frank or even
    the completely unhelpful Alan Baker will beat me to it and
    write that tutorial for us.

    :-) Its just you who's thinking that adding yet another tutorial to the already available ones would be a worthwhile thing to do.

    IOW, you're welcome to write it. Good luck.

    Old 'puters are cheap to get, and you get absolute privacy.
    Just install some version of linux, and off you go.

    Ah, you fully forgot about that possibility. That happens I
    suppose.

    It's interesting how *desperate* you are to find a workaround
    to a ten-dollar sd card, Rudy... simply because your phone lacks
    sd hardware.

    :-) I seem to remember that it ws *you* who started to talk about the
    cloud, and how that would be costly and not good for privacy.

    It looks like it *you* who is desperate to get outof the hole you dug yourself. <whistle>

    but I was at first surprised that neither Rudy nor
    Frank ever used them.

    And you know that ... how ? Ah, mindreading again.

    The fact you have no idea what portable memory is, Rudy,
    is the evidence I use to ascertain the observation that
    you know nothing about sd card use.

    :-) You have "evidence" you say. You made an "observation" you say. Than you should be able to show us your evidence and tell us how and where you observed that.

    If you don't (and you won't) I'm just going to consider it to be one of
    those gazillion other hollow claims you made. Worth exactly nothing.

    In summary of this thread, it appears that, other than Arno,
    and possibly Carlos, Rudy and Frank (and Alan) have never
    used sd cards in their lives.

    Again, how would you know ? Your "appears that" is, with your customary absense of any supporting information, as hollow as your claims.

    At least not on phones.

    Ah yes, some more moving of goal posts. Yes, that always works well, and *nobody* ofcourse notices it.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.

    did you notice that when you claim something and I or someone gives
    countering arguments you either silently drop the claim, go claim some more stuff, or start throwing accusations around ?

    I can't remember if you *ever* responded to a countering argument with arguments supporting your own or discounted the others arguments.


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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 13 23:20:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-12 16:41:

    [...]
    1. Any phone without the sd slot is less capable than a phone with it,
    all other things being equal (assuming you put an sd card in it!).

    2. All other things being equal, a phone without the sd card slot
    can't do what the phone with the sd card slot can do.

    3. It's now about whether you use the capability that exists,
    It's about whether that capability exists.

    Yes, but just that ONE SINGLE capability and not "a phone can do...".
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 01:50:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 23:20:01 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    3. It's now about whether you use the capability that exists,
    It's about whether that capability exists.

    Yes, but just that ONE SINGLE capability and not "a phone can do...".

    I agree, and never would disagree, that if you're comparing two very
    different phones, there will be many features of each to compare.

    One might cost a lot less, for example, or it might have a better battery. That's why the only objectively fair comparison is "all else being equal".
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 09:19:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arno,

    1. Any phone without the sd slot is less capable than a phone with it,
    all other things being equal (assuming you put an sd card in it!).

    2. All other things being equal, a phone without the sd card slot
    can't do what the phone with the sd card slot can do.

    3. It's now about whether you use the capability that exists,
    It's about whether that capability exists.

    Yes, but just that ONE SINGLE capability and not "a phone can do...".

    Ah, you are out for couple of phones that have *no* capabilities that match
    ? Good luck with that.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 10:31:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-11 22:37, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 08:31:48 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    I'm afraid that not many (if any) here will agree with that opinion though.

    How many tutorials have you written & posted?
    How many comprehensive tests of applications?
    How many questions have you answered, Rudy?

    You have published none. Posting to Usenet is not publishing a tutorial
    even if it has tutorial in its subject line.

    Why?

    Well, Usenet is ephemeral and not indexed. Nor can we do a search on
    only tutorials, going back decades.

    Now, create a website and name it something like ArlenWebsite and put
    all your tutorials there. Then I will count them. Or use somebody else's website that admits such documents, and post the link to the site here.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 10:48:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-13 10:09, R.Wieser wrote:
    Arlen,

    Jesus Christ, Rudy.

    It's becoming clear you don't even know what a Message ID is.
    Even though I gave you the Message IDs from this very thread.

    How would you know ? Mind reading again ? And you do seem to have a reading problem (which I've mentioned a few times now, so it must be true).

    I said I *would not* go thru those messages, as I would be searching for something I have no idea to what it looks like *and you do*.

    You *really* are allergic to providing quotes of your own claims, aren't
    you.

    Maybe he is not using a normal Usenet application. At least for posting
    he uses scripts. If he is using also scripts for reading (I have my
    doubts) it is impossible he can follow up conversations properly, do
    proper attribution, and do proper quoting.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 12:39:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Carlos,

    You *really* are allergic to providing quotes of your own claims, aren't
    you.

    Maybe he is not using a normal Usenet application. At least for posting he uses scripts. If he is using also scripts for reading (I have my doubts)
    it is impossible he can follow up conversations properly, do proper attribution, and do proper quoting.

    One thats would be easily solvable by saving a copy of send and received
    posts - just like most, if not all newsgroup readers do.

    According to himself he's an engeneer who has programmed an 68000 by
    entering hex numbers, and as such should have little problem editing a
    script.

    IOW, if he is doing it that way than its a problem he created /and
    maintains/ himself.

    Though I like occams razor : the simpelest explanation is most allways the correct one.

    Seeing that he also doesn't support , *in the same post* (read: no access to previous posts needed), his many, /many/ claims (and accusations) with anything, the chance that he's simply unable to do so is the more likely explanation.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 13:32:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-14 12:39, R.Wieser wrote:
    Carlos,

    You *really* are allergic to providing quotes of your own claims, aren't >>> you.

    Maybe he is not using a normal Usenet application. At least for posting he >> uses scripts. If he is using also scripts for reading (I have my doubts)
    it is impossible he can follow up conversations properly, do proper
    attribution, and do proper quoting.

    One thats would be easily solvable by saving a copy of send and received posts - just like most, if not all newsgroup readers do.

    According to himself he's an engeneer who has programmed an 68000 by
    entering hex numbers, and as such should have little problem editing a script.

    IOW, if he is doing it that way than its a problem he created /and
    maintains/ himself.

    Though I like occams razor : the simpelest explanation is most allways the correct one.

    Seeing that he also doesn't support , *in the same post* (read: no access to previous posts needed), his many, /many/ claims (and accusations) with anything, the chance that he's simply unable to do so is the more likely explanation.

    I suppose he could run in another terminal whatever he uses for reading,
    and copy paste across. I think he said he uses vi as editor. I'm
    thinking Linux, but maybe he uses Windows. Still, Windows does support
    several terminals. I don't suppose he is using MsDOS, so having to exit
    the current edit session in order to view another post.

    All this because of his paranoia that we don't get his actual name, and
    to change his given name at a whim. Privacy? Yeah sure :-p Rather
    evading our filtering.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 15:25:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Carlos,

    I suppose he could run in another terminal whatever he uses for reading,
    and copy paste across.

    Seeing he seems to have little problem with 1) finding message-IDs of
    previous posts back 2) paste those message-IDs into a new message, I'm going
    to assume that other, old message related stuff (finding stuff to-be-quoted
    and paste it into the new message), will not be (much of) a problem either.

    All this because of his paranoia that we don't get his actual name, and to change his given name at a whim.

    I don't get it. When I add a new newsgroup server to my newsgroup client I
    can choose which name and email I want to post with, and I can change them
    at will. Ofcourse, on ES I would need to create an account for that new
    name too, but he does that anyway.

    I could imagine that a few virtual machines would make sure that his name
    isn't in any of them as well as keeping his different nyms apart.

    If I would want to make absolutily sure my name does not by accident escape
    my 'puter I would install a local newsgroup-server proxy which only task
    would be to try to find my names in a post, and refuse to send it on when found.

    Than again, I'm a "strange completely ignorant uneducated troll", and as
    such am definitily not capable to understand how all of that works. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 15:25:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 22:28:01 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :

    To be honest, I can think of a reason/situation or two why/when an sd-card would be something good to have. But when wants to think of himself as the
    only one who knows anything, and we are "strange completely ignorant uneducated trolls" ? Than I'm not really feeling inclined (understatement)
    to help him support his arguments. Something I definitily /would/ do in a honest discussion.

    Carrying a thumb drive with you everywhere you go is only something you and Frank would come up with

    Why would anyone want to carry a "thumb drive"!? We're - well at least
    I was/am - talking about apples-to-apples alternatives. A "thumb drive"
    doesn't fall in that category. (Clue-by-four: This is a trap. At least
    *try* not to fall in it.)

    - where at least you could have figured out that
    the cloud (if you pay through the nose for it) would do some of what sd
    does (but at a price, not only in cost, but in privacy as it has to be paid for in the huge sizes that sd cards do for you, e.g., for your map data).

    Well, we - well at least I - don't come up with that alternative,
    because *you* keep harping about the 'portable storage' use of SD-cards.
    The 'cloud' isn't 'portable storage', it's an *alternative* in *some* situations (doesn't quite work without Internet access, does it?).

    That you and Frank can't figure out what an sd card does is one piece of

    Well, we - well at least I - know full when what it can do, but *you*
    keep 'forgetting' the use for which there is no alternative, so you keep shooting yourself in the feet.

    Not one of you fools has any idea nor any experience with sd cards.

    BTW, I'm not surprised Alan Baker never used an sd card because he owns iPhones, but I was at first surprised that neither Rudy nor Frank ever used them. It's clear neither of them has any experience whatsoever with them.

    <BARF!> I used them ever since *2013* in my first phones and tablets,
    which had too little Internal Storage, ranging from 4GB (effectively <=
    1GB) to 8GB and 16GB.

    Now, I don't use them anymore, because I have no need for them. (And
    yes, my phone *does* have a SD-card slot.)

    BTW, as I mentioned recently and you 'conveniently' ignored, only the
    current bottom (A16 and A26) models of your beloved Samsung Galaxy
    A-Series still have a SD-card slot (shared as second SIM or SD-card).
    The A36 and A56 do not have a SD-card slot.

    So if you want to keep your precious SD-card slot in the future,
    you'll have to downgrade *and* be damn quick about it!
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 15:29:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    All this because of his paranoia that we don't get his actual name, and
    to change his given name at a whim. Privacy? Yeah sure :-p Rather
    evading our filtering.

    Carlos,

    Privacy isn't paranoia except to people who don't understand anything.
    You are an idiot if you think you can't figure out my posts instantly.

    Seriously. If it takes you more than ten seconds, you're an utter idiot.
    I post the same phone since 2021. The same images. The same T-Mobile plan.

    The headers are meaningless gift wrapping on the value of the gift inside.
    My gift to this newsgroup is my contribution of an immense wealth of facts.

    Most of those facts, idiots on this newsgroup have never heard before.
    And, of course, they'll claim all facts aren't facts that they don't know. Which turns out to be almost all facts (especially for Apple owners).

    The reason I randomize headers is the stated reason of privacy from
    aggregators (which are only getting better over time, unfortunately), where
    if you don't believe that stated reason, and if you still can't figure out
    my posts in ten seconds from the way I write them and from what I say and
    from my unique detailed annotated images, then you're just an idiot.

    Think about my assessment of you being an idiot, Carlos, and then think
    about how much it matters to me what you "think" is why I do what I do.

    An idiot proclaiming why they "think" I do what I do, is meaningless.
    You, Rudy, Jeorg & Alan Baker are all idiots who can't fathom the obvious.

    So much about being nice, but when you're an utter idiot, proclaiming all
    sorts of nonsensically absurd conspiracy theories, I need to call you out
    on your asinine ridiculous assumptions on why smart people desire privacy.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 15:37:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 10:31:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Well, Usenet is ephemeral and not indexed. Nor can we do a search on
    only tutorials, going back decades.

    How can I be nice to a person who concocts absurd conspiracies out of a misunderstanding of everything that he thinks he knows - yet he is wrong.

    You're an idiot, Carlos, when you say things that idiotically stupid. Seriously.

    I'm assuming from that statement that your IQ is no better than about 50.

    Why do you say things, as if you know them, when everyone else who has been
    on this newsgroup for at least a while already knows you're dead wrong?

    Every time you post that worthless crap, it proves you're an idiot Carlos.

    That's not even meant as an insult, Carlos - although you will take it as
    such, since everyone who is intelligent would disagree with your opinion.

    I've posted those archives so many times, I'm tired of posting them, but
    what it tells me is people like you, Joerg, Rudy & Alan Baker have no
    education for a reason.

    Your whole lives, people told you that you're stupid.
    You couldn't be accepted to any college given how stupid you are.

    The fact is there are numerous archives, going back decades.
    It's shocking I even have to say this to you.

    Only an idiot wouldn't know the archives which have been posted many times.
    --
    How can I be nice to a person who concocts absurd conspiracies out of a misunderstanding of everything that he thinks he knows - yet he is wrong.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 15:57:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 14 Jul 2025 15:25:42 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


    That you and Frank can't figure out what an sd card does is one piece of

    Well, we - well at least I - know full when what it can do, but *you*
    keep 'forgetting' the use for which there is no alternative, so you keep shooting yourself in the feet.

    Let's take just *one* use, Frank, for which there is no direct alternative.

    In 2021, you expand each of your 3 phones' storage by 32MB for ~20 bucks.
    In 2022, you expand it even further, by 64MB for about the same cost.
    And, in 2023, you expand it to 128MB, again, for about 20 bucks each.

    Not one of you fools has any idea nor any experience with sd cards.

    <BARF!> I used them ever since *2013* in my first phones and tablets,
    which had too little Internal Storage, ranging from 4GB (effectively <=
    1GB) to 8GB and 16GB.

    It's not clear at all you understand what an sd card does in a phone.

    For example, it's not at all clear, Frank, from your absurd claims about
    cloud storage, that you understand what I wrote above about expanding on-the-phone relocatable storage for multiple phones, with privacy, and no subscriptions, where that expansion happens when you need it, at today's prices (instead of font-loading required storage at yesterday's prices).

    Now, I don't use them anymore, because I have no need for them. (And
    yes, my phone *does* have a SD-card slot.)

    It's not clear at all you understand what an sd card does in a phone.

    How are you going to populate a second phone, exactly as you had populated
    the first, without needing to have a "second copy" of all your stuff?

    How?

    If you do plan ahead for populating a second phone (e.g., if your first
    phone suddenly stops working), you *must* keep a second copy around.

    The fact you clearly don't understand that fact is disconcerting, Frank.
    It means you have absolutely no idea of what an sd card does in a phone.

    BTW, as I mentioned recently and you 'conveniently' ignored, only the current bottom (A16 and A26) models of your beloved Samsung Galaxy
    A-Series still have a SD-card slot (shared as second SIM or SD-card).
    The A36 and A56 do not have a SD-card slot.

    I read everything you write, Frank, because sometimes you say things that
    are useful, but stop saying it's my "beloved" phone. I'm no MAGA zealot.

    I saw the bullshit you previously wrote about a cheap phone (free actually) being "beloved" to me, and I had ignored it when you said that absurdity.

    I've had Motorola Razrs, Kiocera "smart hones", iPhones, Moto G, LG, etc.

    I don't give a shit about Samsung, nor about any particular model.
    I got three of those phones for free (and then two more for free).

    If I hadn't gotten them for free, I would have kept the half dozen LG Stylo 3Plus phones that I bought at Costco for around $130 as stocking stuffers.

    (I did love that the LG Stylo 3 Plus had a removable battery though!)

    For you to conclude that any given model of any given brand is my "beloved" model is evidence that you don't own basic deductive reasoning skills.

    The only reason you see me talk about that phone is it's the one I have.
    No other reason.

    (Well, I do love the battery - which could start my car - it's so huge.)

    So if you want to keep your precious SD-card slot in the future,
    you'll have to downgrade *and* be damn quick about it!

    It's hard to downgrade from a free $180 MSRP Android hardware, Frank.
    It's a low-end phone. And even you should be able to understand that.

    Funny thing though, it does more than any iPhone ever sold does.

    While most of that power is due to the operating system, some of it is due
    to the fact its battery is more powerful than any iPhone ever sold, and it
    has functional ports which no iPhone today has or ever will have again.

    But saying a cheap Android is more powerful than any iPhone is like saying
    the sun rises in the morning - since every intelligent person knows that.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 18:15:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Privacy isn't paranoia except to people who don't understand
    anything. You are an idiot if you think you can't figure out
    my posts instantly.
    ...
    The reason I randomize headers is the stated reason of privacy
    from aggregators.

    Ah yes, the randomized header is supposed to make sure aggregators won't be able to match your new nym up with a previous one, but *we* are are supposed to see right thru such a randomisation. Gotcha.

    The headers are meaningless gift wrapping on the value of the
    gift inside. My gift to this newsgroup is my contribution of
    an immense wealth of facts.

    You're ofcourse really a humble guy on the inside.

    Most of those facts, idiots on this newsgroup have never heard
    before.

    Ah yes, like I posted the fact that the sun comes up in the north and goes down in the south.

    And, of course, they'll claim all facts aren't facts that they
    don't know.

    Well, you do not know that the sun comes up in the south and goes down in
    the north, and you will therefore deny my fact too.

    You and I are not that different in that respect.

    Think about my assessment of you being an idiot, Carlos, and
    then think about how much it matters to me what you "think"
    is why I do what I do.

    Well, as its pretty clear that it doesn't matter what *anyone* thinks about you (apart from the moments you think they agree with you) there is a good chance that that you get the same respect back. Strange how that works.

    An idiot proclaiming why they "think" I do what I do, is
    meaningless. You, Rudy, Jeorg & Alan Baker are all idiots
    who can't fathom the obvious.

    Ah yes, your assessments of us are gods own truths ofcourse, but our assessment of you is absolute meaningless. Gotya.

    I would put it for a fact that even in the blinding light of the obvious you are unable to see it.

    There, I stated another fact you do not know and will therefore deny.

    So much about being nice, but when you're an utter idiot,
    proclaiming all sorts of nonsensically absurd conspiracy theories,

    Recently there was another idiot posting conspiracies about ... what was it again ? Oh yeah, how phone manufacurers where all out to gouge us. He knew that, because he had read all their minds.

    If I where you I would stay away from that guy.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 14 18:21:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Let's take just *one* use, Frank, for which there is no direct
    alternative.

    In 2021, you expand each of your 3 phones' storage by 32MB for
    ~20 bucks. In 2022, you expand it even further, by 64MB for
    about the same cost. And, in 2023, you expand it to 128MB,
    again, for about 20 bucks each.

    And there we have the bloody ID10T again, one who hasn't got a clue that
    *use* and "it has a price difference* are *NOT* the same thing.

    ... Or you have that clue, but that would make things a lot worse ...

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Tyrone@none@none.none to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Tue Jul 15 01:26:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Jul 14, 2025 at 11:57:03 AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Let's take just *one* use, Frank, for which there is no direct alternative.

    In 2021, you expand each of your 3 phones' storage by 32MB for ~20 bucks.
    In 2022, you expand it even further, by 64MB for about the same cost.
    And, in 2023, you expand it to 128MB, again, for about 20 bucks each.

    What century are you living in?

    All of my iPhones (and iPods touch and iPads) are 256GB minimum (except for an ancient iPad Air 2 with 16GB that still works just fine BTW). But I also have 1TB and 512GB iPads Pros. I also have 200GB of iCloud storage that costs me a whopping $35.88 a year. Which means ALL of my photos are automatically backed up on my Macs AND my Windows PCs because I installed iCloud on the Windows
    PCs.

    Given all of this storage (and automatic backups of photos between devices), why would I want to dick around with 32MB SD cards? To store what on it? 5 photos?

    So while you have spent $180 over 3 years to "expand" your storage and
    manually fiddle with backups, I have spent $107.64 over 3 years for automatic backups of 19 iOS devices. Yes, 19. 3 iPhones (8+, 12 Pro Max and 16 Pro
    Max), 3 iPod touch, 4 iPad Airs (Two 2 and Two 3), 4 iPad Pros (Two 13 inch
    and Two 11 inch), 3 iPad Mini 6 and 2 iPad mini 5.

    So no, I don't need antique/slow/easily lost SD cards. They WERE "industry standards" 20 years ago. So were floppy drives, spinning hard drives and compact flash cards.

    I get along just fine without any of these antiques. Because - unlike you - I live in the 21st century.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 01:31:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:15:18 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    Ah yes, the randomized header is supposed to make sure aggregators won't be able to match your new nym up with a previous one, but *we* are are supposed to see right thru such a randomisation.

    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me, then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 08:59:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    Ah yes, the randomized header is supposed to make sure aggregators
    won't be able to match your new nym up with a previous one, but
    *we* are are supposed to see right thru such a randomisation.

    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is
    from me, then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms
    of adult value.

    Its good that you where able to find /some/ kind of reason with which you
    can claim you are *way* better than all of us.

    I'll put it into your list of

    - I'm only talking facts

    - If you do not agree with me than you are a "strange completely ignorant uneducated troll"

    and more of the same.


    Funny though: You've made your 'A smartphone *most* have a (two?) sd-card slots' statement-of-fact, and have claimed - again for a fact ofcourse -
    that 'there are things you can only do with an sd-card'.

    But in the end you where unable to support it with anything, and than tried
    to make it sound as if a sd-card being a cheaper solution *also* covered the usage one.

    Kiddo, you're using some mighty odd logic, trying to escape having to admit that whatever you use for brains isn't able to even support a fact you came
    up with yourself.

    An old philosophical question : if a god can create a rock that he cannot
    lift himself, is he than still a god ?

    You certainly have not been able to lift yours ...

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 12:02:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-14 17:37, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 10:31:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Well, Usenet is ephemeral and not indexed. Nor can we do a search on
    only tutorials, going back decades.

    How can I be nice to a person who concocts absurd conspiracies out of a misunderstanding of everything that he thinks he knows - yet he is wrong.

    You're an idiot, Carlos, when you say things that idiotically stupid. Seriously.

    Plonk. Not reading the rest.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 12:08:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-14 17:29, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    All this because of his paranoia that we don't get his actual name, and
    to change his given name at a whim. Privacy? Yeah sure :-p Rather
    evading our filtering.

    Carlos,

    Privacy isn't paranoia except to people who don't understand anything.
    You are an idiot if you think you can't figure out my posts instantly.

    Name calling? Not reading further.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 16:03:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:08:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Not reading further.

    It's you who claimed I was paranoid just because I want basic privacy.

    Who else posts with extreme details and critical thought processes,
    including with detailed graphics of the same homescreen for years?

    Android <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg>
    iOS <<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>>
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 15 16:04:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:02:35 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Not reading the rest.

    Carlos,

    We've been discussing the Usenet web-searchable archives for years.

    If you claim they don't exist, then there's nothing we can do for you.
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Jul 16 07:26:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:15:18 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    Ah yes, the randomized header is supposed to make sure aggregators won't be >> able to match your new nym up with a previous one, but *we* are are supposed
    to see right thru such a randomisation.

    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me, then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.

    It makes it impossible to find posts from you in the archives however. You claim to be helpful, but that is very unhelpful.

    Many, many people are able to have truly anonymous online identities
    without the need to keep changing them. A few are very well known. The most famous/notorious is probably Satoshi Nakamoto.

    You're just an awkward sod hiding behind "muh privacy".

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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Jul 16 07:26:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:08:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Not reading further.

    It's you who claimed I was paranoid

    That's an objective fact. Not an insult.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 16 11:41:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-15 18:04, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:02:35 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Not reading the rest.

    Carlos,

    We've been discussing the Usenet web-searchable archives for years.

    If you claim they don't exist, then there's nothing we can do for you.

    I am aware of them. And I say that posting an article you name
    "tutorial" to Usenet doesn't count as publishing a tutorial. This is my opinion. You may have a different opinion, but that does not entitle you
    to insult me.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Jul 16 11:44:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-16 09:26, Chris wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:08:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Not reading further.

    It's you who claimed I was paranoid

    That's an objective fact. Not an insult.

    Indeed!
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Jul 16 10:25:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-16 00:26, Chris wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:15:18 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    Ah yes, the randomized header is supposed to make sure aggregators won't be >>> able to match your new nym up with a previous one, but *we* are are supposed
    to see right thru such a randomisation.

    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me, >> then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.

    It makes it impossible to find posts from you in the archives however. You claim to be helpful, but that is very unhelpful.

    Many, many people are able to have truly anonymous online identities
    without the need to keep changing them. A few are very well known. The most famous/notorious is probably Satoshi Nakamoto.

    You're just an awkward sod hiding behind "muh privacy".


    Bingo.

    He doesn't change his anonymous nym to avoid "tracking".

    He does it so that he can avoid killfiles.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 17 18:53:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:41:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    We've been discussing the Usenet web-searchable archives for years.

    If you claim they don't exist, then there's nothing we can do for you.

    I am aware of them. And I say that posting an article you name
    "tutorial" to Usenet doesn't count as publishing a tutorial.

    Your opinion is essentially worthless, Chris - compared to that of mine.
    See below for absolute proof as to why I can say that with conviction.

    I'm nothing like the common person - Chris.
    I'm nothing like the Apple trolls - Chris.

    I've done things you (and the trolls) can only talk about, Chris.
    I do it so that people can find those tutorials easily on the net.

    My tutorials are published by posting them due to the fact that they are available to anyone who can click on a search engine and besides, I
    couldn't remove them even if I had tried to remove them from the net.

    They're permanent (for all values we'd consider a permanent net record).
    And it's available to everyone on the planet who knows how to search.

    If only you don't know how to search, then it's not available to you.
    But my grandmother could find it, so it's just you who can't find it.

    PS: I think it's ridiculous that you've never posted a tutorial in your
    life, and neither have all the trolls who denigrate mine, and yet, you
    claim a tutorial isn't a tutorial simply because you can't search for it.

    This is my opinion.

    When you post a tutorial, Chris, then your "opinion" will carry weight.

    You may have a different opinion

    I do. But I've posted tutorials. So many of them, I can't even count them.

    But more than that, I've spent decades (elapsed time) getting those Usenet archives available to the common man Chris - which is different from you.

    Note how very different I am from you and the common trolls Chris:
    a. I've posted many tutorials - you've never posted even one.
    b. I've worked with archival sites to make the archives available

    You've never done either of those two rather time-consuming tasks Chris?
    Why not?

    Note that the fact I've done both of those time-consuming tasks, means my "opinion" carries far more weight than yours does, Chris. That's important.

    What you "think" is meaningless because you've never done anything.
    I have.

    a. I posted tutorials
    b. I worked with the web sites to make the archives available

    In fact, it took years (elapsed time) to get Google to change their URL to finally be something easily remembered (& yes, I 1st called them up on the phone & if you don't know how hard that is, you've never tried it).

    I made these URLs for example, just to make the web search easy.

    GG
    <https://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
    <https://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>

    Nova
    <https://tinyurl.com/nova-misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
    <https://tinyurl.com/nova-comp-mobile-android>

    Something went wrong with the narkive tinyurl though, so these are URLs.
    <https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
    <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>

    Bear in mind that Retro Guy died of pancreatic cancer last Saturday, so the Nova-BBS archive will be moved to go-pugleaf archives, where you can rest assured I'm working with "Billy-G" who is carrying Forward Retro Guy's
    Legacy in making all of Usenet available as web-searchable no-registration no-nntp-specific-knowledge-needed common Usenet archives for the masses.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 17 18:59:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    I get all the common trolls confused. Mea culpa.
    Apologies to Chris.

    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a
    baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world
    than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Note that since I use scripts, I use GVim as my newsreader interface.
    I don't see any headers unless I expressly dig about to look for them.

    So I don't know whom I'm replying to unless I look to see who it is.
    I didn't look this time.

    I had simply assumed because he was complaining that he couldn't find
    anything on the net that it must have been Chris - but I was wrong.

    I apologize to Chris for equating him with Carlos.
    --
    Note: I don't even know what nym I'm posting under unless I look as it is randomized over a given set of parameters, not the least of which is time.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 17 12:00:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-17 11:53, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:41:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    We've been discussing the Usenet web-searchable archives for years.

    If you claim they don't exist, then there's nothing we can do for you.

    I am aware of them. And I say that posting an article you name
    "tutorial" to Usenet doesn't count as publishing a tutorial.

    Your opinion is essentially worthless, Chris - compared to that of mine.
    See below for absolute proof as to why I can say that with conviction.

    I'm nothing like the common person - Chris.
    I'm nothing like the Apple trolls - Chris.

    I've done things you (and the trolls) can only talk about, Chris.
    I do it so that people can find those tutorials easily on the net.

    You can't even figure out you're replying to Carlos, not Chris.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 17 14:46:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 7/17/2025 2:00 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2025-07-17 11:53, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:41:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :

    Your opinion is essentially worthless, Chris - compared to that of mine.
    See below for absolute proof as to why I can say that with conviction.

    I'm nothing like the common person - Chris.
    I'm nothing like the Apple trolls - Chris.

    I've done things you (and the trolls) can only talk about, Chris.
    I do it so that people can find those tutorials easily on the net.

    You can't even figure out you're replying to Carlos, not Chris.

    That's fucking hilarious!
    --
    Science doesn't support Darwin. Scientists do.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 17 23:50:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    So I don't know whom I'm replying to unless I look to see who it is.
    I didn't look this time.

    It's literally written on the first line of YOUR reply. You're just too
    wound up by the reply to care.

    I apologize to Chris for equating him with Carlos.

    Not accepted.

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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 00:59:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    So I don't know whom I'm replying to unless I look to see who it is.
    I didn't look this time.

    It's literally written on the first line of YOUR reply. You're just too
    wound up by the reply to care.

    I openly and publicly apologize for the faux pas of mixing you guys up.

    I apologize to... let me look... OK... it's Chris I'm responding to.
    You and Carlos "sounded the same" to me, just as Alan Baker & Joerg do.

    However, I don't see Alan Baker or Jeorg Lorenz post, but pretty much I see everyone else as it's a PITA to write the scripts to filter out people.

    All I see is a GVim window, into which I type my responses, where, yes, the attribute line is placed into that window at the very top as you noted.

    Apologies nonetheless to Chris as it was Carlos who stated that posting a tutorial on the Internet so that everyone can find it who knows how to use
    a search engine isn't, in his opinion, as useful as he'd like it to be.

    My response whenever someone tells me that I never posted the hundreds of tutorials that I have posted, is simply to ask them how many they posted.

    The answer is always the same number for everyone who denigrates them.
    They aren't helpful people.

    There isn't a bone in Carlos' body that is purposefully helpful to others.
    Me? That's all I do every day. Help people.

    If nobody answers a question on this newsgroup, I take a stab at it.
    And most of the time I am able to solve the problem working with them.

    But I'm different than almost all of you.
    Most of you are not in the same league.

    Note: Some are, like Andy, and a few others.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 01:07:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me, >> then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.

    It makes it impossible to find posts from you in the archives however. You claim to be helpful, but that is very unhelpful.

    Hi Chris (and yes, I looked at the top attribute line to be sure),

    Your statement is correct that even I can't find all of my hundreds of purposefully helpful tutorials that I've posted to Usenet over the decades.

    At least not by searching for any given header information.
    And that's EXACTLY how it should be (for privacy from robot aggregators).

    However, if you want to know if there is a tutorial about any given topic,
    then a search for "Tutorial" and then the topic should find those I wrote.

    I find some of my tutorials all the time in the first page of Google
    searches where they must be good for Usenet posts to show up there.

    But then again, I know which keywords to search for given how I write.
    Still, how many other people on this newsgroup post tutorials, Chris?

    None right?
    Almost nobody is as helpful as I am.

    So really, all you have to do is search for subject lines which start with
    the word "Tutorial" or "Quick Tutorial" for the shorter/simpler ones).

    I'd bet 99% of the hits will be mine (maybe 100% as I never ran that test).
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 06:18:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me,
    then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.

    It makes it impossible to find posts from you in the archives however. You >> claim to be helpful, but that is very unhelpful.

    Hi Chris (and yes, I looked at the top attribute line to be sure),

    Your statement is correct that even I can't find all of my hundreds of purposefully helpful tutorials that I've posted to Usenet over the decades.

    At least not by searching for any given header information.
    And that's EXACTLY how it should be (for privacy from robot aggregators).

    However, if you want to know if there is a tutorial about any given topic, then a search for "Tutorial" and then the topic should find those I wrote.

    I find some of my tutorials all the time in the first page of Google
    searches where they must be good for Usenet posts to show up there.

    I have never seen a usenet post come up as a google hit. Example please?

    But then again, I know which keywords to search for given how I write.
    Still, how many other people on this newsgroup post tutorials, Chris?

    None right?
    Almost nobody is as helpful as I am.

    I train academics and students in software development. I'm co-lead on a
    MSc and supervise PhD students.

    Your "tutorials" are only "helpful" to equally paranoid tinfoil brigaders.

    Whereas I use community developed training material that actually gives
    people a skillset to use to improve their professional lives. Such as: https://software-carpentry.org/




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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 10:03:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-17 20:53, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:41:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    We've been discussing the Usenet web-searchable archives for years.

    If you claim they don't exist, then there's nothing we can do for you.

    I am aware of them. And I say that posting an article you name
    "tutorial" to Usenet doesn't count as publishing a tutorial.

    Your opinion is essentially worthless, Chris - compared to that of mine.
    See below for absolute proof as to why I can say that with conviction.

    I'm nothing like the common person - Chris.
    I'm nothing like the Apple trolls - Chris.

    Not reading. I am not Chris.

    And you say my opinion is worthless. So is yours. Why would I bother to
    read it, if you despise my opinion like that?
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 10:05:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-17 20:59, Marion wrote:
    I get all the common trolls confused. Mea culpa.
    Apologies to Chris.

    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a
    baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Oh, I have written proper tutorials, but I will not tell you where.


    Note that since I use scripts, I use GVim as my newsreader interface.
    I don't see any headers unless I expressly dig about to look for them.

    So I don't know whom I'm replying to unless I look to see who it is.
    I didn't look this time.

    That's not my problem.


    I had simply assumed because he was complaining that he couldn't find anything on the net that it must have been Chris - but I was wrong.

    I apologize to Chris for equating him with Carlos.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 08:25:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 06:18:43 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    I find some of my tutorials all the time in the first page of Google
    searches where they must be good for Usenet posts to show up there.

    I have never seen a usenet post come up as a google hit.
    Example please?

    Hi Chris,

    I'm different. My post show up on the first page of google searches.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=Quick+Tutorial%3A+Android+webdav>

    You forget I'm nothing like most of you in that I'm extremely helpful.

    I post dozens of times a day to web sites & they show up first too!
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=webdav+connect+Android+Windows+drive+letter>

    Many of the first-page of Google hits are all my tutorials & posts.
    Hell, Google's first page very often shows my posts & tutorials, Chris.

    Do you think in your entire life you'll attain that kind of insightfulness? Please never forget I'm worlds ahead of most of you who post to this ng.

    Which Google knows. So does Amazon. And they know when a page is good.

    Why do you think Amazon gives me free items to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year if I wanted to take them up on everything?

    You think they pick people like Alan Baker to write their Vine reviews?
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Amazon Vine *grades* me on my insightfulness, in fact & I'm on the top!
    Want proof?

    Never forget that I'm nothing like most of the people who post here.
    I'm insightful (at least according to Amazon - who understands insight).

    But then again, I know which keywords to search for given how I write.
    Still, how many other people on this newsgroup post tutorials, Chris?

    None right?
    Almost nobody is as helpful as I am.

    I train academics and students in software development. I'm co-lead on a
    MSc and supervise PhD students.

    Your "tutorials" are only "helpful" to equally paranoid tinfoil brigaders.

    Whereas I use community developed training material that actually gives people a skillset to use to improve their professional lives. Such as: https://software-carpentry.org/

    Without going into the details, Chris, I wrote the book for complicated
    Silicon Valley software when I had a TSSI clearance that was so good that
    it was voted by the customer base (all high-tech companies) as the best.

    But I can't and won't point to that information, although before I learned about privacy on the Internet (about two or three decades ago), I posted
    with my real name, so if you know more about me, you can find those posts.

    Peter Norton recommended my posts, for example, for their insightfulness.
    And oh, only about 10% of my tutorials have anything to do with privacy.

    Here's a tutorial in the works, for example, that I posted earlier today.
    *Tutorial: Create Shortcuts to Gemini / ChatGPT / Copilot in MS Windows*
    <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105cc6v%24132f%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>

    In summary, never think I'm anything like the rest of you who post here.
    I'm nothing like you.

    You can't figure out someone as insightful as I am, nor as helpful.
    You just can't. You've never met anyone like me in your whole life.

    And, to go full circle, I've never met anyone like you either.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 08:38:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    If it takes a human more than 5 seconds to figure out a message is from me, >> then whatever he says is completely meaningless in terms of adult value.

    It makes it impossible to find posts from you in the archives however. You claim to be helpful, but that is very unhelpful.

    I'm nothing like most of you who post to this newsgroup: I'm helpful.

    It took me all of a few seconds to find tutorials of mine on Google's first page, Chris. You just have to use keywords for the technical tidbits.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=webdav+connect+Android+Windows+drive+letter>

    Why do you think Amazon gives me hundreds of thousands of dollars of free
    stuff if I want it, just so that I can do insightful reviews for them?

    Do you think they'd ever invite any of the others who post to this ng?

    Why do you think my tutorials show up on the first page of Google searches?
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=xdadevelopers+bidirectional+copy>

    Do you seriously think any others can claim to say they're that helpful?
    Who else has many Usenet & Web posts that show up in the first Google page?

    You think Google puts crap from Joerg Lorenz in that first page results?

    Many, many people are able to have truly anonymous online identities
    without the need to keep changing them. A few are very well known. The most famous/notorious is probably Satoshi Nakamoto.

    Well, I post a reasonable amount to XDA Developers using a single nym.
    <https://xdaforums.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>

    And I'm one of the most famous posters to bimmerfest, world renown.
    When I left, they mourned me (they thought I had died, in fact).

    Little did they know I had simply lost interest in working on the bimmer
    since I had concluded that BMW doesn't know how to design systems.

    You're just an awkward sod hiding behind "muh privacy".

    Given privacy is, oh, I don't know, maybe 10% of my posts, it means you
    lack the insightfulness Chris, to understand the other 90% of my posts.

    The fact you think I'm only helpful on privacy to the point that I'm known
    for being insightful says far more about you than it does about me.

    How many of you have been invited to be Amazon Vine Gold members?
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 08:43:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:38:06 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    Why do you think Amazon gives me hundreds of thousands of dollars of free stuff if I want it, just so that I can do insightful reviews for them?

    Correction.

    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can
    be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars,
    that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Obviously, since they're risking $300K/year on me, they are measuring my output, where I'm measured as "excellent" by Amazon in "insight".

    Amazon is no slouch. They have billions of people to choose from.
    And they chose me.

    Want proof?

    First, answer this question:
    Q: How many of the rest of you are chosen by Amazon to be Vine Gold?
    A:

    Hint: 0

    The point is never forget, I'm nothing like most of the rest of you.

    Only Andy, and maybe one or two others, even comes close to me in
    helpfulness and knowledge and ability and, dare I say, "insight".

    You've never in your life ever met someone like me.
    And, rest assured, I've never met anyone like you.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 08:50:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:03:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And you say my opinion is worthless. So is yours. Why would I bother to
    read it, if you despise my opinion like that?

    Carlos,

    Amazon risks about $300K/year on me, so they assess my "opinion" in product reviews, where they consistently rate my insightfulness as excellent.

    I'm nothing like you, Carlos. My opinion is extremely valuable.
    Your opinion, is worthless.

    Want proof?

    Don't ever make the mistake of equating yourself to me, Carlos.
    My IQ is three times that of yours. My education ten times that of yours.

    Amazon has billions of people to choose from, and not only did they choose
    me to be a Vine Gold member, but my insight is rated as excellent.

    What's yours?

    Hint: Your opinion is laughably worthless.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 08:50:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:05:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a
    baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world
    than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Oh, I have written proper tutorials, but I will not tell you where.

    Carlos,

    If you're trying to claim you've never seen a tutorial from me, then, that absurd statement from you simply tells us you know nothing about which you speak.

    There's nobody on this newsgroup (but you it seems) who hasn't seen them.

    Hell, they show up in the first page of Google searches for God's sake.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 11:11:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 10:43, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:38:06 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    Why do you think Amazon gives me hundreds of thousands of dollars of free
    stuff if I want it, just so that I can do insightful reviews for them?

    Correction.

    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars, that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 11:09:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 10:50, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:03:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And you say my opinion is worthless. So is yours. Why would I bother to
    read it, if you despise my opinion like that?

    Carlos,

    Amazon risks about $300K/year on me, so they assess my "opinion" in product reviews, where they consistently rate my insightfulness as excellent.

    I'm nothing like you, Carlos. My opinion is extremely valuable.
    Your opinion, is worthless.

    Want proof?

    Don't ever make the mistake of equating yourself to me, Carlos.
    My IQ is three times that of yours. My education ten times that of yours.

    Amazon has billions of people to choose from, and not only did they choose
    me to be a Vine Gold member, but my insight is rated as excellent.

    What's yours?

    Hint: Your opinion is laughably worthless.

    LOL.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 19:52:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:09:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    LOL.

    Awwwww... you're hurting my feelings, Carlos.
    Please don't ever make the mistake of equating yourself to me, Carlos.

    You lack the intelligence & education to own the insight that I possess.

    Ask yourself:
    Do your tutorials show up on the first page of a Google search, Carlos?
    Did Amazon choose you to be a Vine Gold member, Carlos?
    Did Amazon rate your insightfulness as EXCELLENT, Carlos?

    Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 19:52:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:11:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can >> be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars,
    that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P

    Aw... cmon... you're hurting my feelings. I'm gonna cry...

    At least give me some credit for intelligence, since these are obvious facts/(assessments) that even you, who hates smart people, can't deny.

    a. I write purposefully helpful tutorials all the time/(you can't)
    b. Amazon invited me to Vine & promoted me to Gold/(you aren't invited)
    c. Amazon rates me as EXCELLENT in "insightfulness"/(you'd fail)
    d. Google searches show my Usenet posts on the first page/(yours aren't)

    The first half is a stated fact/(the second half is my assessment of you). Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    How do they rate you, Carlos?
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 22:32:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 21:52, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:11:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can >>> be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars,
    that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P

    Aw... cmon... you're hurting my feelings. I'm gonna cry...

    At least give me some credit for intelligence, since these are obvious facts/(assessments) that even you, who hates smart people, can't deny.

    a. I write purposefully helpful tutorials all the time/(you can't)
    b. Amazon invited me to Vine & promoted me to Gold/(you aren't invited)
    c. Amazon rates me as EXCELLENT in "insightfulness"/(you'd fail)
    d. Google searches show my Usenet posts on the first page/(yours aren't)

    The first half is a stated fact/(the second half is my assessment of you). Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    Prove it. Show your real name. Then we will read your Amazon reports and
    judge them.


    How do they rate you, Carlos?
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 22:30:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 21:52, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:09:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    LOL.

    Awwwww... you're hurting my feelings, Carlos.
    Please don't ever make the mistake of equating yourself to me, Carlos.

    You lack the intelligence & education to own the insight that I possess.

    Ask yourself:
    Do your tutorials show up on the first page of a Google search, Carlos?
    Did Amazon choose you to be a Vine Gold member, Carlos?
    Did Amazon rate your insightfulness as EXCELLENT, Carlos?

    Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    LOL.

    You are hurting me abdominal muscles. Please stop.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Fri Jul 18 22:31:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 21:52, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:11:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can >>> be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars,
    that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P

    Aw... cmon... you're hurting my feelings. I'm gonna cry...

    At least give me some credit for intelligence, since these are obvious facts/(assessments) that even you, who hates smart people, can't deny.

    a. I write purposefully helpful tutorials all the time/(you can't)
    b. Amazon invited me to Vine & promoted me to Gold/(you aren't invited)
    c. Amazon rates me as EXCELLENT in "insightfulness"/(you'd fail)
    d. Google searches show my Usenet posts on the first page/(yours aren't)

    The first half is a stated fact/(the second half is my assessment of you). Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    How do they rate you, Carlos?

    LOL
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 18 22:10:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:38:06 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    Why do you think Amazon gives me hundreds of thousands of dollars of free
    stuff if I want it, just so that I can do insightful reviews for them?

    Correction.

    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars, that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Obviously, since they're risking $300K/year on me, they are measuring my output, where I'm measured as "excellent" by Amazon in "insight".

    Whatever the value might seem to you it's far less them. Primarily because
    most people don't want 8 "free" every day. Where are they going to put
    nearly 1000 items of junk *per year*? Plus the ticket price is not the cost
    to them.

    Even if did really cost them $300k that's <0.1% of their gross profit. A rounding error. There is literally no risk to them. Plus they are effective employing you. How does it feel like to be working for one of the richest
    men in the world for freebies? Is your own time so worthless to you?

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 11:04:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 09:11:54 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
    On 2025-07-18 10:43, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:38:06 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

    Why do you think Amazon gives me hundreds of thousands of dollars of free >>> stuff if I want it, just so that I can do insightful reviews for them?

    Correction.

    Amazon Vine Gold gives me up to 8 items a day for free, where each item can >> be any amount, so if we average the amount to a simple hundred dollars,
    that's a risk to Amazon of 8 x $100 x 365 = $292,000 in product value.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P

    Or how much they over-charge for every other product to be able to give
    away stuff for free while still making massive profits.

    Or, more likely, the "free" stuff is simply out-dated stock they simply
    can't sell and want to get rid of. :-)

    Of course, it'*is* the the braindead troll "Marion", so the reality is
    that the moron has ordered it normally, and then simply forgotten it
    has already paid been paid for when it eventually arrived ... or simply
    the usual lies and nonsense.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 11:06:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-18 09:09:47 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:

    On 2025-07-18 10:50, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:03:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And you say my opinion is worthless. So is yours. Why would I bother to
    read it, if you despise my opinion like that?

    Carlos,

    Amazon risks about $300K/year on me, so they assess my "opinion" in product >> reviews, where they consistently rate my insightfulness as excellent.

    I'm nothing like you, Carlos. My opinion is extremely valuable.
    Your opinion, is worthless.

    Want proof?

    Don't ever make the mistake of equating yourself to me, Carlos.
    My IQ is three times that of yours. My education ten times that of yours.

    Amazon has billions of people to choose from, and not only did they choose >> me to be a Vine Gold member, but my insight is rated as excellent.

    What's yours?

    Hint: Your opinion is laughably worthless.

    LOL.

    The fact that tha braindead troll "Marion" (supposedly) reviews
    products for Amazon is just yet another reason to never ever believe
    online customer reviews, or even bother reading them. They're
    obviuously full of lies and nonsense.



    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 02:57:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:05:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a
    baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world
    than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Oh, I have written proper tutorials, but I will not tell you where.

    All you know about me, Carlos, is what I write here on Usenet, which is
    more value added than you've ever added anywhere in your entire life.

    The main point here is your opinion is meaningless & worthless, Carlos.
    While mine is insightful, at least as judged by both Amazon & Google.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    Please never think for a moment that I'm anything like you are.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Sat Jul 19 02:57:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:32:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    Prove it. Show your real name. Then we will read your Amazon reports and judge them.

    Your opinion is worthless, Carlos.

    Mine is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to Amazon, where they choose only people whom they can trust to give insightful critical reviews.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    Your opinion is meaningless, Carlos.

    In fact, I'm graded every day on my opinion for thousands of products.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/65t3Tttw/amazon-score.jpg>

    Do you ever wonder why nobody picked you for hundreds of thousands of
    dollars of free product to review with insightful acumen, Carlos?

    You're not in the same league, Carlos.
    Never make that mistake of thinking that I'm anything like you are.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 02:58:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:30:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    You are hurting me abdominal muscles. Please stop.

    We both have thick skin to be on Usenet for decades, Carlos, but the point
    was that you are the one who denigrated the tutorials when in fact, you've never written a single tutorial in your entire life.

    We wouldn't be having this conversation had you not pooh poohed that effort (which, we must always point out, you hate because you can't write them).

    Just one of my tutorials is more added value to this newsgroup than you can muster in your entire life - and that's why you dislike me, Carlos.

    So be it.

    You've been told your entire life that you're stupid.
    I haven't.

    We're completely different people, Carlos.
    Never make the mistake to think I'm anything like you.

    Your opinion is meaningless, Carlos.

    Mine is worth up to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to Amazon.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 02:59:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:06:38 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    Hint: Your opinion is laughably worthless.

    LOL.

    The fact that tha braindead troll "Marion" (supposedly) reviews
    products for Amazon is just yet another reason to never ever believe
    online customer reviews, or even bother reading them. They're
    obviuously full of lies and nonsense.

    It's no longer shocking how strange you Apple MAGA trolls are, where you
    have been told your entire lives that you're stupid - so when someone is
    chosen to do reviews who is insightful - you attack them out of spite.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    Don't worry, Your Name.
    You can't hurt my feelings.

    Your IQ of 40 can't even comprehend why companies who are introducing new product would want to jump start reviews from trusted reviewers like I am.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 02:59:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:04:27 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    Only tells me how daft Amazon is :-P

    Or how much they over-charge for every other product to be able to give
    away stuff for free while still making massive profits.

    Everything you Apple trolls say is sheer ignorance amplified by absurdity.

    It's no longer shocking how little you Apple trolls know about anything.
    It doesn't cost Amazon anything to give these products away for free.

    The seller pays all costs. <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Or, more likely, the "free" stuff is simply out-dated stock they simply can't sell and want to get rid of. :-)

    Again, it's no longer shocking how little you strange Apple trolls know.

    Most of the stuff is brand new (they come with date stamps on the
    stickers), where they're generally products that are trying to compete with name brands or new products that don't have a presence yet.

    Think about it, even though you Apple trolls don't own the IQ to think.
    Why would they want reviews on old stiff that has been around for years?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    Of course, it'*is* the the braindead troll "Marion", so the reality is
    that the moron has ordered it normally, and then simply forgotten it
    has already paid been paid for when it eventually arrived ... or simply
    the usual lies and nonsense.

    Jesus Christ. These ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls can't understand
    a marketing project to garner trusted insightful reviews, so these MAGA
    Apple trolls manufacture a conspiracy that Aliens made them do it.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    It's no longer shocking how absurdly ignorant you Apple trolls are of everything that you "think" you know about - and yet - you know nothing.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 03:01:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:10:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Obviously, since they're risking $300K/year on me, they are measuring my
    output, where I'm measured as "excellent" by Amazon in "insight".

    Whatever the value might seem to you it's far less them. Primarily because most people don't want 8 "free" every day. Where are they going to put
    nearly 1000 items of junk *per year*? Plus the ticket price is not the cost to them.

    Even if did really cost them $300k that's <0.1% of their gross profit. A rounding error. There is literally no risk to them. Plus they are effective employing you. How does it feel like to be working for one of the richest
    men in the world for freebies? Is your own time so worthless to you?

    Hi Chris,

    It doesn't actually cost Amazon anything, as I understand it.
    The sellers pay for the product, packaging & shipping.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    All Amazon does is give us a login account to their review web site, as we
    have a completely different review interface than the normal person has.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    They rate us for insightfulness, for example, where my classification with Amazon is "excellent" (which is the highest category that they rate us as).
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    But this came up because you & Carlos, neither of whom has ever written a single helpful tutorial in your entire lives, are denigrating mine.

    The claim was my tutorials don't show up on Google searches, and yet, they
    do, and in fact, often they're on the very first page of Google results.

    The reason for bringing in Amazon was only that they know insightful
    people. If you do reviews and you're not invited, then you're not
    insightful. Even if you do reviews after you're invited, you are graded on
    your insightfulness. They give you your insightful score every single day.

    When you summarize all these facts, the assessment is that people like
    Carlos think their opinion is worth that of mine - and yet - it's not.

    Carlos' opinion is worthless.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Sat Jul 19 21:10:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-19 04:57, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:32:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    Companies that know insight (Amazon, Google), rate me as the best.

    Prove it. Show your real name. Then we will read your Amazon reports and
    judge them.

    Your opinion is worthless, Carlos.

    Mine is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to Amazon, where they choose only people whom they can trust to give insightful critical reviews.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    Your opinion is meaningless, Carlos.

    In fact, I'm graded every day on my opinion for thousands of products.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/65t3Tttw/amazon-score.jpg>

    Do you ever wonder why nobody picked you for hundreds of thousands of
    dollars of free product to review with insightful acumen, Carlos?

    You're not in the same league, Carlos.
    Never make that mistake of thinking that I'm anything like you are.

    LOL
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 21:10:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-19 04:58, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:30:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    You are hurting me abdominal muscles. Please stop.

    We both have thick skin to be on Usenet for decades, Carlos, but the point was that you are the one who denigrated the tutorials when in fact, you've never written a single tutorial in your entire life.

    We wouldn't be having this conversation had you not pooh poohed that effort (which, we must always point out, you hate because you can't write them).

    Just one of my tutorials is more added value to this newsgroup than you can muster in your entire life - and that's why you dislike me, Carlos.

    So be it.

    You've been told your entire life that you're stupid.
    I haven't.

    We're completely different people, Carlos.
    Never make the mistake to think I'm anything like you.

    Your opinion is meaningless, Carlos.

    Mine is worth up to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to Amazon.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>


    LOL.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 21:09:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-19 04:57, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:05:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a >>> baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world >>> than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Oh, I have written proper tutorials, but I will not tell you where.

    All you know about me, Carlos, is what I write here on Usenet, which is
    more value added than you've ever added anywhere in your entire life.

    The main point here is your opinion is meaningless & worthless, Carlos.
    While mine is insightful, at least as judged by both Amazon & Google.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    Please never think for a moment that I'm anything like you are.

    I hope so! I pray to Deity not to be ever like you.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 19 23:06:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-19 04:57:

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 10:05:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    It's Carlos who doesn't know how to write a tutorial so he whines like a >>> baby girl because one published tutorial is more value added to the world >>> than he can manage to add in his entire life.

    Oh, I have written proper tutorials, but I will not tell you where.

    All you know about me, Carlos, is what I write here on Usenet, which is
    more value added than you've ever added anywhere in your entire life.

    The main point here is your opinion is meaningless & worthless, Carlos.
    While mine is insightful, at least as judged by both Amazon & Google.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    You count Amazon product reviews as *customer* as "proper tutorials"?
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 03:52:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 23:06:33 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    You count Amazon product reviews as *customer* as "proper tutorials"?

    Nobody said that.

    What happened was I made a point about whose opinion is worth a damn.
    Amazon & Google strongly respecting my opinion were just datapoints.

    I was contrasting myself with those who have never written a tutorial and
    yet, who disparage that which they don't own the IQ nor skill set to write.

    Whenever someone disparages the useful tutorials, I only need to ask how
    many they wrote to make my point that their opinion is not worth anything.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 10:06:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arno,

    While mine is insightful, at least as judged by both Amazon & Google.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    You count Amazon product reviews as *customer* as "proper tutorials"?

    Seeing that he has claimed more "facts" (all unsupported, iow: Lies) in this subject alone than most others do in their whole life I have no problem with imagining that he would do that.

    And do notice there is no name anywhere in that picture. Is that score his
    ? We would have to take his word for it. And pardon me, but I do not.

    Also, he provided /just/ that score, and has not included a single link to
    any of the actual reviews that resulted into it, meaning we cannot check-out the value of them for ourselves. For all I know those "reviews" could just tick all the "will this help Amazons sales ?" boxes. iow, not actually reviews, but instead just user-provided advertisements.

    Bottom line: his above "mine is insightful" claim is as hollow as all the others he has made, worth exactly nothing.

    The main point here is your opinion is meaningless & worthless, {anyones
    name}

    I take *anybodies* opinion or claim as having more meaning/worth than
    Arlens. People who, for whatever reason, cannot even explain their
    reasoning to their own claims (let alone support them) and refuse to listen
    to people who can (read: refuse to learn from their mistakes) can't be trusted. They /will/ cause people to be maimed or even killed.


    Also : As far as I can tell there actually is one thing you can do with an sd-card and a phone that you can't do without, which would give him a
    (highly questionable) technical win. For all the education and accomplishments he has claimed (being an highly-educated engeneer among
    them) he's been unable to find it.

    Ah, I almost forgot : Has anybody seen Arlen fix his mistaken 'you can do
    with an sd-card (and a phone) what you can't do without it' fact and
    apologise to us here ? He claimed-for-a-fact he always does that ...

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 09:55:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 22:10:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Obviously, since they're risking $300K/year on me, they are measuring my >>> output, where I'm measured as "excellent" by Amazon in "insight".

    Whatever the value might seem to you it's far less them. Primarily because >> most people don't want 8 "free" every day. Where are they going to put
    nearly 1000 items of junk *per year*? Plus the ticket price is not the cost >> to them.

    Even if did really cost them $300k that's <0.1% of their gross profit. A
    rounding error. There is literally no risk to them. Plus they are effective >> employing you. How does it feel like to be working for one of the richest
    men in the world for freebies? Is your own time so worthless to you?

    Hi Chris,

    It doesn't actually cost Amazon anything,

    That's even worse. You're being exploited by one of the richest companies
    in the world.

    Sad thing is you think this is a sign of your importance.

    They rate us for insightfulness, for example, where my classification with Amazon is "excellent" (which is the highest category that they rate us as).
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    You're being patted on the head by an AI for being a well-behaved dog. Oh you're such a good boy!

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 11:53:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Mine is worth up to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to Amazon.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3x3nL4h6/amazon-trust.jpg>

    No it isn't. You yourself admitted that it costs them nothing. your time is literally is given away for free to amazon.



    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 11:55:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Your IQ of 40 can't even comprehend why companies who are introducing new product would want to jump start reviews from corporate shills like I am.
    <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

    Fixed it for you.



    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 21:12:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-20 10:06, R.Wieser wrote:
    Arno,

    While mine is insightful, at least as judged by both Amazon & Google.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k5FYJQc7/amazon-score.jpg>

    You count Amazon product reviews as *customer* as "proper tutorials"?

    Seeing that he has claimed more "facts" (all unsupported, iow: Lies) in this subject alone than most others do in their whole life I have no problem with imagining that he would do that.

    And do notice there is no name anywhere in that picture. Is that score his
    ? We would have to take his word for it. And pardon me, but I do not.

    Also, he provided /just/ that score, and has not included a single link to any of the actual reviews that resulted into it, meaning we cannot check-out the value of them for ourselves. For all I know those "reviews" could just tick all the "will this help Amazons sales ?" boxes. iow, not actually reviews, but instead just user-provided advertisements.

    Bottom line: his above "mine is insightful" claim is as hollow as all the others he has made, worth exactly nothing.

    The main point here is your opinion is meaningless & worthless, {anyones >>> name}

    I take *anybodies* opinion or claim as having more meaning/worth than
    Arlens. People who, for whatever reason, cannot even explain their reasoning to their own claims (let alone support them) and refuse to listen to people who can (read: refuse to learn from their mistakes) can't be trusted. They /will/ cause people to be maimed or even killed.


    Also : As far as I can tell there actually is one thing you can do with an sd-card and a phone that you can't do without, which would give him a
    (highly questionable) technical win. For all the education and accomplishments he has claimed (being an highly-educated engeneer among
    them) he's been unable to find it.

    Ah, I almost forgot : Has anybody seen Arlen fix his mistaken 'you can do with an sd-card (and a phone) what you can't do without it' fact and apologise to us here ? He claimed-for-a-fact he always does that ...

    Indeed to all.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 20:55:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:55:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    You're being patted on the head by an AI for being a well-behaved dog. you're such a good boy!

    You can denigrate that Amazon invited me to Vine & didn't invite you Chris.
    But your insults are whining because you didn't right insightful reviews.

    When *you* get invited, then tell me all about it, Chris.
    Until then, you're just complaining that you didn't get invited to Vine.

    Always remember: I'm nothing like you, Chris.

    I wrote the original reviews after *buying* the products.
    So that's another thing that makes me *different* from you, Chris.

    I am purposefully helpful.
    You're not.
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 23:43:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-20 22:55:

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:55:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    You're being patted on the head by an AI for being a well-behaved dog.
    you're such a good boy!

    You can denigrate that Amazon invited me to Vine & didn't invite you Chris. But your insults are whining because you didn't right insightful reviews.

    I hope you are aware, that you are still just the product and not a
    "valued member" of anything at Amazon. The whole "we invite people to a
    special program" thing is just marketing - so people like you can feel "important". In fact you give Amazon your workforce for free. And no,
    getting free products to review is not "getting paid for work". For
    Amazon this is just part of their marketing budget, nothing else.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jul 20 22:57:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 23:43:56 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    You can denigrate that Amazon invited me to Vine & didn't invite you Chris. >> But your insults are whining because you didn't right insightful reviews.

    I hope you are aware, that you are still just the product and not a
    "valued member" of anything at Amazon. The whole "we invite people to a special program" thing is just marketing - so people like you can feel "important". In fact you give Amazon your workforce for free. And no,
    getting free products to review is not "getting paid for work". For
    Amazon this is just part of their marketing budget, nothing else.

    I always agree with anyone who says something logically sensible.

    I agree with Arno & Chris that I'm not "making any money" off of Amazon, although, if I wanted to, I could *sell* everything I get after 6 months.

    I also agree that I'm not "important" to Amazon in that I'm more important
    to the "seller" of the product (who only rarely it turns out, is Amazon).

    What the <https://amazon.com/vine> GUI gives us is three product tabs.
    1. Just for you
    2. Just for Amazon
    3. Everyone else

    While it changes every day, the "Just For You" has about a dozen items,
    some of which are reasonably high priced (e.g., a $500 pool pump), but all
    of which are "targeted" toward you (which is done to help the seller get
    people who both want and know the product that they're reviewing).

    The Just for Amazon section (which is confusingly called "Available for
    All" because of some Amazon reason to hide that it contains only product
    that only Amazon sells) is a joke. It only has crap in it most of the time.

    Then there's the "Additional items" section, which contains the bulk of the products you can order, where the number ranges from about 30K to 125K
    items any given day (the Trump tariffs drastically cut down the number).

    As for my importance to Amazon or to the seller, my point was in relation
    to people denigrating the tutorials, where they were shocked that my
    tutorials show up in the first page of Google search results.

    This means that Google thinks people are clicking on them because I don't
    have any special way to make my Usenet threads show up on top of others.

    And when the topic came up that they didn't think my insight was valuable,
    I brought up the fact I was invited to Amazon Vine & promoted to Gold.

    When YOU are invited & promoted, then your opinion will carry more weight.

    Note I'm not disagreeing with you on anything other than my point that the people (not you) who were denigrating my insightful value don't own the
    ability to be as insightful as those two simple examples show that I am.

    In short, I only brought it up in defense of my argument that I am helpful. They're not.

    Worse. And which is a key point, they don't own the IQ to be helpful.
    Hence, their opinion of insight is worthless compared to that of mine.

    And all they can respond to that is "LOL", which proves my point for me.

    However, back to your point, Amazon doesn't give a shit about me.
    I'm one in ten million (literally) whom they invited to Amazon Vine.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 22 10:27:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    I always agree with anyone who says something logically sensible.

    Thats a lie, and you are well aware of it.

    You only agree with anyone if they say something that matches what you
    already hold to be true. In all other cases you either refuse to respond,
    or resort to throwing tantrums.

    I agree with Arno & Chris that I'm not "making any money"
    off of Amazon, although, if I wanted to, I could *sell*
    everything I get after 6 months.

    Good for you. Assuming you are telling the truth here and not some
    cockamamie story.

    I don't think that you are realizing that you get that stuff at
    manufacturing prices, meaning their cost is a fraction of the number you
    came up with. /That/ number is how much they value you for writing advertisements for them.

    Still cheaper than employing a real advertisement writer, and more
    believable too. You are, after all, a fellow customer pitted against the faceless company, so what you write has to be the full truth, right ?

    Wrong. You are, comparision wise, a badly-payed employee. No benefits either, and can be dismissed at the drop of a hat. Yeah, they /really/
    value you. :-)

    Note I'm not disagreeing with you on anything other than my
    point that the people (not you) who were denigrating my
    insightful value don't own the ability to be as insightful
    as those two simple examples show that I am.

    Your examples are (again) without any value, as nobody can verify them.

    In short, I only brought it up in defense of my argument that
    I am helpful. They're not.

    No, you are still a writer of fantasies - fantasies you can't prove, support or even just explain.


    Look at yourself : still in a subject that started with trying to force us
    to agree with you that without a possibility of sd-card in a phone we are getting ripped off (which you quite failed at, regardless of how you tried
    to package it), up until now where you are stating that as some company says it values your input you must be way more valuable than any of us.

    Kiddo, you have *no idea* what /any/ of us are doing in our lives, and as
    such have nothing, other than your own fantasies, to compare your suggested value against.

    You, on the other hand, have shown us a lot of things about what, to you, constitutes to knowledge, logic, intelligence and honesty. None of which
    you seem to have much of anything of. :-|

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    p.s.
    It would be quite a joke on you to discover that one of the people here is actually Amazon management, having been alerted to your writings about them
    by the data-gatherers you so abhor. Extra funny if they linked your current nym to your actual name, made easy by the information and screenshot you so willingly supplied...


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 23 01:15:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 16:20:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?

    Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?

    While every iPhone lacks basic hardware, most of Android has it.

    This Android search shows 2,114 Android phones with the sd slot included.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>

    That's out of 3205 Android phones (if I remove the sd slot criteria).
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>

    That means 66% of Android phones out there still have the sd slot hardware.

    Out of 223 Samsung Android phones currently being sold today
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>

    Out of those 223, 165 have the sd slot, which is 74% of Samsung phones.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>

    As for Sony's 22 models currently sold today, 100% have the sd slot.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>

    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
    impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
    basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    For one, you can add massive storage for almost nothing in costs.
    This allows massive media (up to a terabyte) without another device.
    For another, you can port a phone WITHOUT any other device involved.
    The data is always available offline without any other devices involved.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Tue Jul 22 19:14:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-22 18:15, Marion wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 16:20:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?

    Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
    Why is it you feel you must double-post this stuff...

    ...I mean, ASIDE from your obvious narcissism.

    :-)
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 23 11:01:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Alan,

    Marion wrote:

    What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
    ...
    Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
    functionality?

    Why is it you feel you must double-post this stuff...

    ... even after it has been answered a number of times.

    ...I mean, ASIDE from your obvious narcissism.

    :-)

    I don't think he's a narcissist. Those tend to be smart, smooth, and gaslighting their victims ("its not me, its /you/").

    Arlen on the other hand is crude, refusing to engage and thowing accusations and demands around which he doesn't realise also affect himself (leading to hypocricy).

    His behavious does tick a number of boxes for an inferiority complex though
    :

    "In some scenarios, such a person may attempt to overcompensate for a perceived deficiency by behaving in an excessively competitive manner or by acting aggressively toward others."

    Signs :

    - Persistently looking for validation and praise from others

    Posting tutorials and the like. His Amazon product reviews.

    - Attempting to make others feel insecure to make up for feelings of inadequacy

    Everyone is stupid, uneducated, etc.

    - The refusal to participate in competitive events for fear of being
    compared to others

    Ignoring any kind of situation where someone puts their POV against his.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 10:31:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-23 03:15:

    [...]
    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
    basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    If this is "critically important" depends on the user.

    For me personally an SD card is completely irrelevant. I just don't need
    it any longer. And yes, this was a deliberate decision for me and no, I
    don't care about what you say about this.

    For one, you can add massive storage for almost nothing in costs.

    Which I don't need. I have around 2 TB of storage available on my own
    server and I have unlimited data on my smartphone. So uploading images
    and videos after recording them is no problem at all and I have no need
    for more than the internal 128 GB of storage in the phone. And when I
    once have to replace the phone in a few years, the next model will
    likely have 256 GB or more anyway.

    This allows massive media (up to a terabyte) without another device.
    For another, you can port a phone WITHOUT any other device involved.
    The data is always available offline without any other devices involved.

    Data which is *only* on the phone is always in danger of getting lost. Therefore I synchronize all important data with my own server anway. And
    that server does a backup daily to another geographical location. Every
    backup exists at least in three copies.

    And data which I need on the road is not that much: around 5 GB Open
    Street Map map data, another 6 GB for music and I keep the latest photos
    an videos I have taken - but since these get synchronized with my server
    anyway and archived after 6 months, I don't need to keep everything.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 08:45:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:31:13 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
    impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
    basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    If this is "critically important" depends on the user.

    Arno,

    I'm logically sensible so you must pardon me for both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you - purely on the basis of basic logic & astute sense.

    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno.

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's
    pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "less reliable" (and it is); but
    that's essentially meaningless in terms of what you're putting on it.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "slower" (and it is); but again, all you're putting on it is stuff like media and/or map data (which is huge).

    The very fact you paid an arm and a leg for something that you *later*
    claim is not critically important belies your assessment of the facts.

    It was critically important for you to pay hugely for more than 64GB.
    Which is the main point after all.

    For me personally an SD card is completely irrelevant. I just don't need
    it any longer. And yes, this was a deliberate decision for me and no, I
    don't care about what you say about this.

    See above. You're NOT being true to yourself.
    You paid an arm and a leg for more than 64GB of storage, Arno.

    I know you said there is no other Pixel but that's the whole point.
    The fact you can't comprehend something that basic is worrisome.

    You already paid very dearly for not having that sd card slot, Arno.
    That's just a fact.

    So of course you don't need it.
    You already paid dearly because you didn't have it.

    You had to pay dearly as a 64GB phone w/o sd is basically worthless.

    For one, you can add massive storage for almost nothing in costs.

    Which I don't need. I have around 2 TB of storage available on my own
    server and I have unlimited data on my smartphone. So uploading images
    and videos after recording them is no problem at all and I have no need
    for more than the internal 128 GB of storage in the phone. And when I
    once have to replace the phone in a few years, the next model will
    likely have 256 GB or more anyway.

    Heh heh heh... You don't realize that you paid dearly for that 128GB.
    Half of which you wouldn't have needed had your phone had the sd card.

    This allows massive media (up to a terabyte) without another device.
    For another, you can port a phone WITHOUT any other device involved.
    The data is always available offline without any other devices involved.

    Data which is *only* on the phone is always in danger of getting lost.

    True. But as you said, you can back that up easily (and most of us do).

    Therefore I synchronize all important data with my own server anway. And
    that server does a backup daily to another geographical location. Every backup exists at least in three copies.

    Yup. I back up my data too. Everyone who is intelligent does it I presume.

    And data which I need on the road is not that much: around 5 GB Open
    Street Map map data, another 6 GB for music and I keep the latest photos
    an videos I have taken - but since these get synchronized with my server anyway and archived after 6 months, I don't need to keep everything.

    Hmmm... I wonder if you realize your arguments aren't self consistent?

    Arno - the one thing about me is I'm always logically sensible.
    Either you needed that 128GB... or you didn't need it.

    Which is it?

    Could you live with a 64GB phone that has no chance of adding storage?
    Or not?
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 13:28:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-25 10:45, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:31:13 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
    impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
    basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    If this is "critically important" depends on the user.

    Arno,

    I'm logically sensible so you must pardon me for both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you - purely on the basis of basic logic & astute sense.

    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno.

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's
    pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "less reliable" (and it is); but
    that's essentially meaningless in terms of what you're putting on it.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "slower" (and it is); but again, all you're putting on it is stuff like media and/or map data (which is huge).

    The very fact you paid an arm and a leg for something that you *later*
    claim is not critically important belies your assessment of the facts.

    It was critically important for you to pay hugely for more than 64GB.
    Which is the main point after all.


    Arlen, me and others have told you, several times, that we have a card
    slot on our phones and never used it. It is not critical to us.

    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a
    model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 11:43:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:28:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    All else being equal, it's a logical impossibility for a phone without the
    sd card to be able to do what a phone with the sd card can do. Period.

    It's not about whether you use it; it's about its fundamental capabilities.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 12:02:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-25 10:45, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:31:13 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
    impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important >>> basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    If this is "critically important" depends on the user.

    Arno,

    I'm logically sensible so you must pardon me for both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you - purely on the basis of basic logic & astute sense.

    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno.

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "less reliable" (and it is); but that's essentially meaningless in terms of what you're putting on it.

    You can claim (as you have) that it's "slower" (and it is); but again, all you're putting on it is stuff like media and/or map data (which is huge).

    The very fact you paid an arm and a leg for something that you *later* claim is not critically important belies your assessment of the facts.

    It was critically important for you to pay hugely for more than 64GB.
    Which is the main point after all.


    Arlen, me and others have told you, several times, that we have a card
    slot on our phones and never used it. It is not critical to us.

    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    Exactly. And, when comparing apples to apples, i.e. high quality and
    high speed, even in the theoretical case, there probably would be very
    little price difference (between more Internal Storage and a MicroSD
    card).

    Example, for most current Samsung Galaxy A-Series models, the price difference between 128GB and 256GB Internal Storage is 50 Euro. A good quality/speed 128GB MicroSD card is upto 30 Euro and a very high speed (880/480MB/s R/W) one is 50 Euro. So Arlen's "you paid an arm and a leg"
    is a gross exaggeration.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 14:01:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-25 13:43, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:28:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a
    model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    All else being equal, it's a logical impossibility for a phone without the
    sd card to be able to do what a phone with the sd card can do. Period.

    It's not about whether you use it; it's about its fundamental capabilities.

    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 13:12:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-25 13:43, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:28:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a
    model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    All else being equal, it's a logical impossibility for a phone without the sd card to be able to do what a phone with the sd card can do. Period.

    It's not about whether you use it; it's about its fundamental capabilities.

    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Not only do we not accept it, but his 'logic' is false, because - as I
    wrote before and he as usual dishonestly, 'conveniently' silently snipped/ignored - his premise is *impossible*.

    "All else being equal" can and does not exist. If he thinks it can/
    does, he only has to give one example. I/we do not have to prove our
    position, because one can not prove a negative.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 17:16:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Frank,

    Not only do we not accept it, but his 'logic' is false, because -
    as I wrote before and he as usual dishonestly, 'conveniently'
    silently snipped/ignored - his premise is *impossible*.

    "All else being equal" can and does not exist.

    And as I told you a while back, that was an hypothetical case, to focus your attention on the existance of sd-card slots.

    You want to point fingers at Arlen for "'conveniently' silently snipped/ignored" ? Take a look in the mirror. :-(

    If he thinks it can/does, he only has to give one example.
    I/we do not have to prove our position,

    Wrong. As *you* claimed that its impossible, its also upto *you* to prove
    it. Just as Arlen needs to do it for his own claims.

    because one can not prove a negative.

    True. But as you manouvred yourself in that corner its noones problem but yours.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 21:21:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 17:16:40 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :


    Not only do we not accept it, but his 'logic' is false, because -
    as I wrote before and he as usual dishonestly, 'conveniently'
    silently snipped/ignored - his premise is *impossible*.

    "All else being equal" can and does not exist.

    And as I told you a while back, that was an hypothetical case, to focus your attention on the existance of sd-card slots.

    You want to point fingers at Arlen for "'conveniently' silently snipped/ignored" ? Take a look in the mirror. :-(

    If he thinks it can/does, he only has to give one example.
    I/we do not have to prove our position,

    Wrong. As *you* claimed that its impossible, its also upto *you* to prove it. Just as Arlen needs to do it for his own claims.

    because one can not prove a negative.

    True. But as you manouvred yourself in that corner its noones problem but yours.

    I will agree with anyone who states a logically sensible viewpoint, and disagree with anyone whose viewpoint is absurd, where Rudy is logical here.

    When they make a billion phones, they don't customize it for Carlos or
    Frank or Arno by removing the slot - you just don't use that functionality.

    You don't have to use the camera either but a phone without a camera, all
    else being equal, can't do what a phone with the camera can do. Period.

    I've said many times what an sd card enables, but what it enables that is
    the most fantastic in my opinion, is I can add storage any time I want to.

    That storage can be added years after I purchased the phone, as I need it. Instead of paying an arm & a leg for future-proofing my phone at the start.

    The presence of the sd slot, were I to use it, future proofs the phone in terms of me not having to buy, ahead of time, storage that I 'may' need.

    I also use the sd card to copy to other people's phones without the
    Internet, but that's a corner case. And I use it to copy to a PC (but USB works as well or better). I also use it to populate a new phone.

    Being able to fully populate a new phone perfectly (same homescreen, exact same apps, same everything, is something I only do once a year or so tho).

    The disadvantage of the sd slot is essentially zero since nobody can show
    that the cost savings are passed on to the consumer, nor that the IP rating suffers, so there don't seem to be any disadvantages in the real world.

    However as Arno (& perhaps others) stated, that internal storage over 64GB that people pay an arm & a leg for has advantages at huge cost.
    a. Expensive internal storage is faster
    b. Expensive internal storage is more reliable

    But it's damn expensive compared to sd storage where the internal storage isn't portable to other phones, which I happen to do all the time but I do agree very few people fully populate a second phone without the computer.

    I do it all the time - but I do a lot of things nobody else here can do.

    What do most people do when repopulating a phone? Use the cloud? The net?
    Heh heh heh... they do exactly what marketing tells them to do. Don't they.

    I don't. I can think for myself. Outside of what marketing wants me to do. Hence, I use the sd card to fully populate any number of phones I want to.

    And that has huge advantages in privacy and reproducibility (e.g., I get
    the exact same last-known-good-versions of PulseSMS as just one example).

    There is one huge disadvantage to sd card storage (which is the same though
    as to internal storage) which is if a truck runs over the phone, you lose.

    But, it's the same in both cases - so in both cases, you'll need a backup.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 10:41:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-25 12:01:02 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
    On 2025-07-25 13:43, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:28:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :

    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a
    model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    All else being equal, it's a logical impossibility for a phone without the >> sd card to be able to do what a phone with the sd card can do. Period.

    It's not about whether you use it; it's about its fundamental capabilities.

    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one. Since almost nobody
    actually ever used them, the SD card slot is going the way of the
    dinosaur, where it belongs. The few cents saved by removing the SD card
    slot now goes towards having, for example, a higher resolution camera instead*.


    * Although also rather pointless since the camera quality far exceeded
    most people's needs years ago anyway. You don't need a 600billion pixel
    camera to take pictures of your cheese sandwich to put on Instagrunt.


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 01:59:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 10:41:26 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one.

    Ask Apple to refund you the money you paid for the lack of sd card.
    While you're at it, ask them to refund you for their lack of aux & RAM.
    And for their substandard batteries. And the loss of the charger.

    This strategy of removing basic functionality so you have to buy it back is
    one of the reasons that Apple makes so much profit off of its customers.

    Since almost nobody
    actually ever used them, the SD card slot is going the way of the
    dinosaur, where it belongs.

    You're wrong.

    The fact is 100% of Sony phones sold today have the sd slot, and 75% of
    Samsung phones sold today have the slot and 66% of all Androids have it.

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>

    The few cents saved by removing the SD card
    slot now goes towards having, for example, a higher resolution camera instead*.

    Ask Apple to give you back the money for their lack of functionality.
    Let us all know how well that goes for you.

    The only reason they remove basic functionality is to increase their profit (mainly because you are forced to buy it all back somehow- at high prices).
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 25 19:40:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-25 18:59, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 10:41:26 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one.

    Ask Apple to refund you the money you paid for the lack of sd card.
    While you're at it, ask them to refund you for their lack of aux & RAM.
    And for their substandard batteries. And the loss of the charger.

    This strategy of removing basic functionality so you have to buy it back is one of the reasons that Apple makes so much profit off of its customers.

    Since almost nobody
    actually ever used them, the SD card slot is going the way of the
    dinosaur, where it belongs.

    You're wrong.

    The fact is 100% of Sony phones sold today have the sd slot, and 75% of Samsung phones sold today have the slot and 66% of all Androids have it.

    Keep grasping at those straws!
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 10:40:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arlen,

    I will agree with anyone who states a logically sensible viewpoint,

    No, you won't. You never have and you never will.

    Whats sensible to you can easily not be sensible to anyone else and vice-verse. You know, like opinions.

    And that I wrote something that looks to be benefitting you ? Thats purely coincidental.

    I dislike seeing people trying to wrangle a statement/context into something quite different.

    ... as you could have known, as you have been caught out for trying it a couple of times yourself.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 12:00:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
    Frank,

    Not only do we not accept it, but his 'logic' is false, because -
    as I wrote before and he as usual dishonestly, 'conveniently'
    silently snipped/ignored - his premise is *impossible*.

    "All else being equal" can and does not exist.

    And as I told you a while back, that was an hypothetical case, to focus your attention on the existance of sd-card slots.

    You may think it's a hypothetical case, he presents it as a practical
    one.

    You want to point fingers at Arlen for "'conveniently' silently snipped/ignored" ? Take a look in the mirror. :-(

    I'm not snipping anything. I responded to what he wrote, I'm not
    responding to you.

    If he thinks it can/does, he only has to give one example.
    I/we do not have to prove our position,

    Wrong. As *you* claimed that its impossible, its also upto *you* to prove it. Just as Arlen needs to do it for his own claims.

    because one can not prove a negative.

    True. But as you manouvred yourself in that corner its noones problem but yours.

    Nope, no corner. He says/implies it's possible, so he has to prove it
    and - as said - he can prove it with just one example.

    I/we don't have to, because one can not prove a negative. Logic 101.

    Example of one can not prove a negative: One can't prove that you
    can't make gold out of water, so the one who claims that you can, will
    have to prove it.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 16:34:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Frank,

    You may think it's a hypothetical case, he presents it as
    a practical one.

    Yes, I agree that that was the goal of his comparision. But as I also told someone else here, if you try to bullshit the comparision away than you are
    no better than your opponent, Arlen.

    Also, I think that the goal of his comparision has been defeated. See my "torx" comparision. While that one is also true, its as meaningless as Arlens.

    You want to point fingers at Arlen for "'conveniently'
    silently snipped/ignored" ? Take a look in the mirror. :-(

    I'm not snipping anything. I responded to what he wrote,

    :-) You are quite the proverbial eal in a bucket of snot, aren't you ?

    You /ignored/ my challenge to you on the grounds that we discuss
    differently. And now you try to bring it up again - no doubt hoping that another soul will be more willing to listen to you. How does that make you any better than Arlen ?

    I'm not responding to you.

    :-) This is an open forum, anyone can respond. That you try to claim a private conversation just shows me/us what kind of person you are. :-(

    True. But as you manouvred yourself in that corner its noones
    problem but yours.

    Nope, no corner.

    Yes, corner. One you purposely created yourself, by wranging Arlens comparision context in a different one and trying to get him (us?) to go
    along with it - which you are now trying to abose to demand others prove
    your claim for you.

    You just didn't count on that someone like me would notice and call you out for it.

    I/we don't have to, because one can not prove a negative. Logic 101.

    Lol. Yes, "I/we" have to. That you can't just means that you have an undefendable position. Which is also logic 101..

    Kiddo, you are as dishonest as Arlen is.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 17:15:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Frank,

    [Most deleted. There's just no point in trying to untangle the misinterpretations/misrespresentations.]

    I/we don't have to, because one can not prove a negative. Logic 101.

    Lol. Yes, "I/we" have to. That you can't just means that you have an undefendable position. Which is also logic 101..

    Sigh! Please don't try to teach me any 'lessons' on logic. "One can
    not prove a negative." is a logic law. Your footstamping doesn't change
    that.

    As to "That you can't just means that you have an undefendable
    position.": *I* do not have a 'position', *Arlen* has, so *he* has to
    prove his position, because the reverse is impossible ("One CAN NOT
    prove a negative." (perhaps the uppercase helps to comprehend what it *actually* means/says)).

    Kiddo, you are as dishonest as Arlen is.

    That you fail to grasp basic logic, doesn't make me dishonest. And cut
    out the 'Kiddo' (etc.) crap. We didn't go to school together.

    If you can argue *why* Arlen doesn't have to prove his position or/and
    *why* 'one can not prove a negative' doesn't apply to the reverse of
    Arlen's position, then *do* so, but I - and most others - do not need
    your unsubstantiated confrontational discorse.

    Until then, it's once more EOD.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 26 21:26:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Frank,

    I/we don't have to, because one can not prove a negative.
    Logic 101.

    Lol. Yes, "I/we" have to. That you can't just means that you
    have an undefendable position. Which is also logic 101.

    Sigh! Please don't try to teach me any 'lessons' on logic.

    Why not ? You do not seem to understand much of anything about them.

    "One can not prove a negative." is a logic law.

    Yes, and ? I thought I already agreed with that.

    Your footstamping doesn't change that.

    If you think I did that than do quote where I did so.
    Good luck with that. :-)

    As to "That you can't just means that you have an undefendable
    position.": *I* do not have a 'position', *Arlen* has

    No, *you* have that position - as a direct result of you trying to wrangle
    his statement into something else altogether.

    so *he* has to prove his position, because the reverse is impossible

    Kiddo, the parts before and after the comma have have got *zero* to do with each other. You think you should wield logic 101 ? You have no idea what
    it is.

    ... or you do, but that would make things much worse - nobody likes liars.

    That you fail to grasp basic logic, doesn't make me dishonest.

    That you do not grasp basic logic doesn't automatically make you dishonest either.

    But that you try to wrangle Arlens statement into something it never was
    *does* make you dishonest though.

    And cut out the 'Kiddo' (etc.) crap. We didn't go to school together.

    Have you ever noticed that its also something that even teenagers say to
    kids when they try to pull a fast one ? Well, that happens.

    If you can argue *why* Arlen doesn't have to prove his position

    Lol. He doesn't have to prove what isn't his position. As such I also
    can't have argued any such thing. But, do quote where I did so (Which you won't).

    but I ... do not need your unsubstantiated confrontational
    discorse.

    :-) Thats rich. Someone who claims Arlen *must* have ment two physical
    phones, but hasn't - can't - put any substantiating forward for it.

    Until then, it's once more EOD.

    Run kiddo, run.

    Funny, I have not once seen you acknowledge or even just refer to the possibility of Arlen having made a hypotetical case. I wonder why ...
    Do you even know what the word means ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 28 10:26:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-25 10:45:

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:31:13 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
    impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
    basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.

    If this is "critically important" depends on the user.

    Arno,

    I'm logically sensible so you must pardon me for both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you - purely on the basis of basic logic & astute sense.

    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno.

    No, because I already have the memory and thus the sd slot is *NOT*
    "critically important" for me!

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's
    pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    Yes. But it is still not "critically important" for me.

    [...]
    Could you live with a 64GB phone that has no chance of adding storage?

    Yes. I would just have to change some of my habits how I use it. But I
    could to that of course. In the past I had phones which even had only 32
    GB and could live with that just fine.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 28 10:27:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-25 13:43:

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:28:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a
    model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it.
    And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    Telling people, that they lie if they say that an sd card is not
    important for them is not "logic" but just stupid.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 28 10:27:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-26 03:59:

    On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 10:41:26 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one.

    Ask Apple to refund you the money you paid for the lack of sd card.

    Apple also had iPhones *with* SD card? How much more did they cost?
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 28 10:54:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Frank,

    Sigh! Please don't try to teach me any 'lessons' on logic.
    "One can not prove a negative." is a logic law.

    Revisiting your post and reading the above I realized I let you off the hook too easily.

    No, its *not* "a logic law".

    However, proving a negative would be both meaningless(1) and time/money intensive, in such a form that it becomes prohibitive(2).

    (1) you /could/ prove it(3) *upto now*, but that could change in the ((very) near) future.

    (2) most often the ammount of time and effort/money needed to go over /everything/ would be enormous(4).

    (3) assuming you would be thorough and did not miss anything.

    (4) due to the ammount of time needed going thru everything there is a distinctive non-zero chance that the proof of the positive could pop up between starting and finishing of it.

    The *conclusion* of the people of science is that you should not attempt to
    do so, for all of the above reasons.

    Bottom line:
    Its *not* "a /logic/ law" in any form, way or shape.

    Also, the statement is mis-represented, by bady quoting it (something you
    seem to abhor) :

    "One can not prove a negative *in any meaningfull way*".



    Arghhh... I thought of finding some support for my "in any meaningfull way" part, and came along this : https://factmyth.com/factoids/you-cant-prove-a-negative/

    It says you *can* prove a negative - in certain circumstances : Like can I prove a person is not in the room I'm in ? Yes, by pointing him out outside the room I'm in ("The Law of Contradiction itself is a negative").

    Iow, your origional, badly quoted statement seems to be /at best/
    incomplete.

    Also this one : https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/believing-bull/201109/you-can-prove-negative

    , which says

    "If 'you can't prove a negative' means you can't prove beyond reasonable
    doubt that certain things don't exist, then the claim is just false" (a)

    and

    "If, on the other hand, "you can't prove a negative" means you cannot prove beyond all possible doubt that something does not exist, well, that may, arguably, be true." (b)

    The reasonable doubt ? I'm quite sure that a manufacturing-line malfunction (take your pick, there are several) could create two devices, one with, and one without a certain component.

    As such the above malfunctioning possibility breaks both (a) and (b).

    And as such also breaks *your own* (two physical phones being the same, but for a specific part) "premise is *impossible*" claim.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 30 07:21:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:26:12 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of
    internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno.

    No, because I already have the memory and thus the sd slot is *NOT* "critically important" for me!

    It's interesting that you don't seem to realize you proved my point.
    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno.

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's
    pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    Yes. But it is still not "critically important" for me.

    You don't seem to realize that it was critically important to you, Arno.

    Otherwise why did you pay something like ten times the cost to buy back
    what would have only cost you about 20 bucks for the extra sd storage?

    Could you live with a 64GB phone that has no chance of adding storage?

    Yes. I would just have to change some of my habits how I use it. But I
    could to that of course. In the past I had phones which even had only 32
    GB and could live with that just fine.

    Well, we all had phones that lacked internal storage, and in those early
    days, we actually tried to use "extended storage" (which is a bitch).

    But we all grew out of the need for "extended storage" years ago.
    Now we pop in a 512GB sd card and voila! We have more storage.

    At a fraction of the cost of internal storage.
    And with far more utility than internal storage could ever have.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 30 07:21:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:27:17 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a >>> model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it. >>> And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    Telling people, that they lie if they say that an sd card is not
    important for them is not "logic" but just stupid.

    Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes?
    Remember the marketing for them?

    To owners of phones that lack basic functionality, it's "courageous".

    You feel "courageous" lacking the basic functionality, but the truth is actually deeper since you paid through the nose to get it back from Google.

    You clearly don't realize what you did and what your thought process was.
    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Wed Jul 30 07:21:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:27:55 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same
    things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one.

    Ask Apple to refund you the money you paid for the lack of sd card.

    Apple also had iPhones *with* SD card? How much more did they cost?

    Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes?
    Remember the marketing for them?

    Virginia Slims sold cigarettes by linking them to women¢s liberation... "You've come a long way, baby" was a cultural badge. Buying them became a symbol of female independence, empowerment and modern femininity.

    Apple does the same, but with tech. iPhones aren't just phones; they're
    status symbols of creativity, individuality, and missing hardware. Apple's
    ads rarely talk specs; they sell a lifestyle, a feeling, a tribe, where the shocking lack of basic hardware functionality is a badge of honor to them.

    To iPhone owners, it's "courageous" that their iPhones lack functionality.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 31 03:02:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:15:14 +1000, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Frank,

    [Most deleted. There's just no point in trying to untangle the misinterpretations/misrespresentations.]

    I/we don't have to, because one can not prove a negative. Logic 101.

    Lol. Yes, "I/we" have to. That you can't just means that you have an
    undefendable position. Which is also logic 101..

    Sigh! Please don't try to teach me any 'lessons' on logic. "One can
    not prove a negative." is a logic law. Your footstamping doesn't change
    that.

    I can trivially prove that there is no full sized elephant in my car

    As to "That you can't just means that you have an undefendable
    position.": *I* do not have a 'position', *Arlen* has, so *he* has to
    prove his position, because the reverse is impossible ("One CAN NOT
    prove a negative." (perhaps the uppercase helps to comprehend what it *actually* means/says)).

    Kiddo, you are as dishonest as Arlen is.

    That you fail to grasp basic logic, doesn't make me dishonest. And cut
    out the 'Kiddo' (etc.) crap. We didn't go to school together.

    If you can argue *why* Arlen doesn't have to prove his position or/and *why* 'one can not prove a negative' doesn't apply to the reverse of
    Arlen's position, then *do* so, but I - and most others - do not need
    your unsubstantiated confrontational discorse.

    Until then, it's once more EOD.
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 31 08:32:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-30 09:21:

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:27:55 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    No. Your logic is false. No matter how many times you write the same >>>>> things again and again. WE don't accept it. Majority wins.

    Having an SD card slot costs money (albeit a tiny amount), so phones
    with one will cost more than phones without one.

    Ask Apple to refund you the money you paid for the lack of sd card.

    Apple also had iPhones *with* SD card? How much more did they cost?

    Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes?
    Remember the marketing for them?

    This is irrelevant.

    You said Apple should refund the money you paid for the lack of sd card.
    But how can there be a "lack" if Apple never offered the same device
    *with* sd card?

    A Rolex Submariner is also much more expensive than a Casio WV-59.
    Should Rolex also refund the money for not having accurate time because
    it lacks a time signal reciever and even doesn't have basic functions
    like an alarm, stop watch or timer like the Casio WV-59?
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    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 31 08:35:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-30 09:21:

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:27:17 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    And no, you can not prove that our phones are way more expensive than a >>>> model with just 64 KB, simply because the manufacturer doesn't make it. >>>> And if he does, there are many more features in the phone, so that
    knowing the price difference between 64 and 256 GB is not possible.

    It's not possible to refute logic no matter how much you think you can.

    Telling people, that they lie if they say that an sd card is not
    important for them is not "logic" but just stupid.

    Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes?
    Remember the marketing for them?

    To owners of phones that lack basic functionality, it's "courageous".

    Not for me. I just use the devices as I like.

    You clearly don't realize what you did and what your thought process was.

    I had servers long before I had a smartphone. My first website went
    online around 1997 and I had the first server with more than just a
    webspace around 2001.

    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno.

    What exactly did *I* "buy back"?
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    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Jul 31 08:36:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-30 09:21:

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:26:12 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    The obvious logic is that if you paid for a phone with more than 64GB of >>> internal storage, then it was indeed "critically important" to you, Arno. >>
    No, because I already have the memory and thus the sd slot is *NOT*
    "critically important" for me!

    It's interesting that you don't seem to realize you proved my point.
    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno.

    I realize you don't understand that rather logical assessment; but it's
    pure logic that sd card storage costs far less than internal storage.

    Yes. But it is still not "critically important" for me.

    You don't seem to realize that it was critically important to you, Arno.

    No, it wasn't.

    Otherwise why did you pay something like ten times the cost to buy back
    what would have only cost you about 20 bucks for the extra sd storage?

    Because I can afford it. I have enough money.
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    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Aug 1 02:12:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 08:36:52 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    Otherwise why did you pay something like ten times the cost to buy back
    what would have only cost you about 20 bucks for the extra sd storage?

    Because I can afford it. I have enough money.

    This is a perfectly valid and logical perspective.

    It's the same as to why I live in a high tax state because I can afford it.

    So we understand each other where your decision is logical and sensible.
    As is mine.

    Specifically, you buy a high-end phone at price x with you amount of
    storage while I have a low-end phone at a lower x and y but I match your y
    with sd card storage (losing speed & reliability in the process but gaining portability).

    Two people. Two different decisions. That's fine.
    Especially when the decision is logical & sensible, I'm fine with it.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Aug 1 02:12:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 08:35:05 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno.

    What exactly did *I* "buy back"?

    We are both discussing two related but different sets of equations.

    You paid x for a phone with y amount of storage.
    From your perspective, you didn't buy anything back.
    From your perspective, the storage came with the phone.

    I understand your perspective (if that is an accurate portrayal of it).

    My perspective is you could have paid less than x with less than y storage.
    And then adding sd storage to equal y storage for less than you paid.

    I think you understand my perspective, where I'm also aware that you didn't even have the choice of doing it via my perspective for that particular
    phone (which I accept as a fact of Google Pixel phones, prima facie).

    In the end analysis, we only need to understand each other.
    There's not much more each of us can do that we haven't already done.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Aug 1 02:16:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 08:32:08 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes?
    Remember the marketing for them?

    This is irrelevant.

    You said Apple should refund the money you paid for the lack of sd card.
    But how can there be a "lack" if Apple never offered the same device
    *with* sd card?

    A Rolex Submariner is also much more expensive than a Casio WV-59.
    Should Rolex also refund the money for not having accurate time because
    it lacks a time signal reciever and even doesn't have basic functions
    like an alarm, stop watch or timer like the Casio WV-59?

    Fair enough. I accept your argument as logical and apropos.

    The Apple "refund" was a figure of speech using hyperbole rhetorically.
    As such, the action of a "refund" was not meant to be taken literally.

    The figure of speech was used in order to provoke thought by my
    highlighting of the flaw, not to demand action by Apple for a refund.
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Fri Aug 1 18:41:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-08-01 04:12:

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 08:35:05 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    You paid dearly to buy back that sd functionality that didn't exist, Arno. >>
    What exactly did *I* "buy back"?

    We are both discussing two related but different sets of equations.

    You paid x for a phone with y amount of storage.
    From your perspective, you didn't buy anything back.
    From your perspective, the storage came with the phone.

    I understand your perspective (if that is an accurate portrayal of it).

    My perspective is you could have paid less than x with less than y storage. And then adding sd storage to equal y storage for less than you paid.

    But then I would have a phone which would lack features, my current
    phone has - like compatibility with a Quadlock case or an excellent camera.

    I think you understand my perspective, where I'm also aware that you didn't even have the choice of doing it via my perspective for that particular
    phone (which I accept as a fact of Google Pixel phones, prima facie).

    In the end analysis, we only need to understand each other.
    There's not much more each of us can do that we haven't already done.

    Yes - first of all to accept, that storage is not the only feature which
    is important in a smartphone.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sat Aug 2 00:19:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 18:41:14 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    My perspective is you could have paid less than x with less than y storage. >> And then adding sd storage to equal y storage for less than you paid.

    But then I would have a phone which would lack features, my current
    phone has - like compatibility with a Quadlock case or an excellent camera.

    Yup. I agree with anyone who makes a sensible & logical statement.
    As Frank tried to also say, the phones aren't 1:1 comparisons.

    I think you understand my perspective, where I'm also aware that you didn't >> even have the choice of doing it via my perspective for that particular
    phone (which I accept as a fact of Google Pixel phones, prima facie).

    In the end analysis, we only need to understand each other.
    There's not much more each of us can do that we haven't already done.

    Yes - first of all to accept, that storage is not the only feature which
    is important in a smartphone.

    Again, I never disagree with a logically sensible viewpoint from anyone. Storage is important - but it's not the only important feature to consider.

    Some people like red phones, for example, and that rules their choice.
    Others like one ecosystem over the other.
    Still others might care about repair cost, or whatever.

    We don't disagree.
    We understand each other has a valid viewpoint. And that's OK.
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Sun Aug 3 07:11:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Arno,

    Yes - first of all to accept, that storage is not the only feature which
    is important in a smartphone.

    You're trying to go the way of sanity, considering pros and cons of the different qualities of the different phones. Arlen has shown several times
    to be either unwilling or unable to do so.

    As a famous movie once said "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play".

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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