• How did a copy of several hundred files into a new folder find duplicates?

    From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Fri Jul 18 23:03:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Using Android and Win11, and details of how copy works in win11 may be different from win10, or at least important:

    There's probably a better way to do it but I copy my photos from my
    phone to my PC (and later to a backup drive) by displaying the phone's
    camera folder in MyPhoneExplorer's file manager, highlighting the ones
    that are newer than the ones in the PC, and dragging them to the folder
    in the PC.

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in
    internal storage? So to help myself to look further later, I created a
    new folder in the PC and copied everything to it. About 626 files, took
    80 minutes, no problem, I'm not going anywhere.

    But at the end, it found 6 files that already existed in the destination folder. How can that be when it was a new folder? I said to keep both
    and give a new name to the ones copied in. When I look, after the copy completed, I have 6 pairs of files, and the date, time, and size are the
    same for each pair. They really are the same. Did it get mixed up and
    start copying a second time? Then why did it stop after 6?

    Complicating this a bit is that I first started to copy the files to the correct folder, realized that the new files would be lost among the old
    files and stopped the copy after less than a minute, time enough maybe
    to copy in 6 files and indeed those same 6 files are in the already
    existing destination folder. Can something about being copied the first
    time cause them to be copied to the new folder too? How can that be?
    The new folder didn't exist when I mistakenly copied a few files to a
    different existing folder. And the new folder could not have been a
    duplicate of the existing folder because it was new and I copied nothing
    into it other than that one big copy.

    In Win11, when it says there are duplicate files in source and
    destination, does it say that when it finds them or at the end of the
    whole process? Either way, this is no easier to solve. It did know
    there were 6 of them when it brought up the message box.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 10:38:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025/7/19 4:3:28, micky wrote:
    Using Android and Win11, and details of how copy works in win11 may be different from win10, or at least important:

    There's probably a better way to do it but I copy my photos from my
    phone to my PC (and later to a backup drive) by displaying the phone's
    camera folder in MyPhoneExplorer's file manager, highlighting the ones

    Is MyPhoneExplorer something running on the PC, or on the 'phone?

    that are newer than the ones in the PC, and dragging them to the folder
    in the PC.

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in internal storage? So to help myself to look further later, I created a
    new folder in the PC and copied everything to it. About 626 files, took
    80 minutes, no problem, I'm not going anywhere.

    But at the end, it found 6 files that already existed in the destination

    You say "at the end", but later ask.

    folder. How can that be when it was a new folder? I said to keep both
    and give a new name to the ones copied in. When I look, after the copy completed, I have 6 pairs of files, and the date, time, and size are the
    same for each pair. They really are the same. Did it get mixed up and
    start copying a second time? Then why did it stop after 6?

    I had a similar overwrite query years ago when using my genealogy
    software (Brother's Keeper)'s own backup facility, when I selected the
    option "also backup images" (or something like that); it turned out
    that, although the software is happy linking to images all over the
    place, it backs them up, when you select that option, to the same place;
    thus when I had images of the same name in two different places (say, an
    image of the census return for a given family, stored under the 1891 and
    the 1901 censuses), it asked me keep or overwrite (unfortunately it
    didn't offer a rename option).

    [Now, I just use its own backup feature to back up its own data files,
    not images; I back those up, including their directory structure, with FreeFileSync.]

    I'm wondering: is it possible that, between the naming system of the
    'phone and the computer, you have (six cases of where) two files have a different name/identity on the 'phone, but this gets turned into the
    same name on the computer? In other words, it copied one of them fine,
    but when it gets to the second one, it wants to give it a name on the
    computer which it finds already present. So the files weren't there in
    your - newly-created - directory from the start, but from earlier in the copying session.>
    Complicating this a bit is that I first started to copy the files to the correct folder, realized that the new files would be lost among the old
    files and stopped the copy after less than a minute, time enough maybe
    to copy in 6 files and indeed those same 6 files are in the already
    existing destination folder. Can something about being copied the first
    time cause them to be copied to the new folder too? How can that be?

    I can't see how it can, but that's assuming you are instigating this
    copying from the computer; knowing little of Android, I don't know if it
    can if you're doing so from the 'phone.

    The new folder didn't exist when I mistakenly copied a few files to a different existing folder. And the new folder could not have been a
    duplicate of the existing folder because it was new and I copied nothing
    into it other than that one big copy.

    In Win11, when it says there are duplicate files in source and
    destination, does it say that when it finds them or at the end of the
    whole process? Either way, this is no easier to solve. It did know
    there were 6 of them when it brought up the message box.
    Sorry, can't answer that one - I'm only on 10, and really only familiar
    with 7. On 7 (and I think 10), it stops the copy to ask what to do
    (keep, overwrite, or rename) when it comes to a duplicate (or seems to;
    maybe it copies/moves all the problem-free ones before asking. But I
    think I've seen it ask this question, then when answered, go back to
    further copying). It does offer "do this with all other similar files?"
    when it asks you to choose what to do, but I don't know if it knows at
    that point how many there are.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
    -- Abraham Lincoln quoted by Mark Lloyd in alt.windows7.general 2018-12-27
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 07:29:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Fri, 7/18/2025 11:03 PM, micky wrote:
    Using Android and Win11, and details of how copy works in win11 may be different from win10, or at least important:

    There's probably a better way to do it but I copy my photos from my
    phone to my PC (and later to a backup drive) by displaying the phone's
    camera folder in MyPhoneExplorer's file manager, highlighting the ones
    that are newer than the ones in the PC, and dragging them to the folder
    in the PC.

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in internal storage? So to help myself to look further later, I created a
    new folder in the PC and copied everything to it. About 626 files, took
    80 minutes, no problem, I'm not going anywhere.

    But at the end, it found 6 files that already existed in the destination folder. How can that be when it was a new folder? I said to keep both
    and give a new name to the ones copied in. When I look, after the copy completed, I have 6 pairs of files, and the date, time, and size are the
    same for each pair. They really are the same. Did it get mixed up and
    start copying a second time? Then why did it stop after 6?

    Complicating this a bit is that I first started to copy the files to the correct folder, realized that the new files would be lost among the old
    files and stopped the copy after less than a minute, time enough maybe
    to copy in 6 files and indeed those same 6 files are in the already
    existing destination folder. Can something about being copied the first
    time cause them to be copied to the new folder too? How can that be?
    The new folder didn't exist when I mistakenly copied a few files to a different existing folder. And the new folder could not have been a
    duplicate of the existing folder because it was new and I copied nothing
    into it other than that one big copy.

    In Win11, when it says there are duplicate files in source and
    destination, does it say that when it finds them or at the end of the
    whole process? Either way, this is no easier to solve. It did know
    there were 6 of them when it brought up the message box.


    Pretend I'm from another planet.

    OK, you have this Android phone and it has a program called MyPhoneExplorer.

    Was there a matching program on the PC called MyPhoneExplorer ?
    Perhaps that would support a private sync protocol of some sort.

    Did the MyPhoneExplorer think it was using MTP protocol ? I don't
    think windows does MTP as a host on its side. It does not pretend
    it is a Digital Camera and that it has a DCIM folder.

    You could be using MTP (over some wire protocol).
    You could be using FTP over IP.
    You could be using File Sharing over IP.
    It could be using a private sync protocol (between two copies of the program).

    First try and frame what is going on, on the two ends a bit better.

    Just as a general comment, what you're seeing is not an expected behavior.
    And as a developer, you're NOT supposed to turn every computer experience
    into a "forensic nightmare". Just sayin. An example of a forensic nightmare,
    is OneDrive failure states. The "Where are My Files" problem.

    Paul
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 08:29:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 07:29:10 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 7/18/2025 11:03 PM, micky wrote:
    Using Android and Win11, and details of how copy works in win11 may be
    different from win10, or at least important:

    There's probably a better way to do it but I copy my photos from my
    phone to my PC (and later to a backup drive) by displaying the phone's
    camera folder in MyPhoneExplorer's file manager, highlighting the ones
    that are newer than the ones in the PC, and dragging them to the folder
    in the PC.

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in
    internal storage? So to help myself to look further later, I created a
    new folder in the PC and copied everything to it. About 626 files, took
    80 minutes, no problem, I'm not going anywhere.

    But at the end, it found 6 files that already existed in the destination
    folder. How can that be when it was a new folder? I said to keep both
    and give a new name to the ones copied in. When I look, after the copy
    completed, I have 6 pairs of files, and the date, time, and size are the
    same for each pair. They really are the same. Did it get mixed up and
    start copying a second time? Then why did it stop after 6?

    Complicating this a bit is that I first started to copy the files to the
    correct folder, realized that the new files would be lost among the old
    files and stopped the copy after less than a minute, time enough maybe
    to copy in 6 files and indeed those same 6 files are in the already
    existing destination folder. Can something about being copied the first
    time cause them to be copied to the new folder too? How can that be?
    The new folder didn't exist when I mistakenly copied a few files to a
    different existing folder. And the new folder could not have been a
    duplicate of the existing folder because it was new and I copied nothing
    into it other than that one big copy.

    In Win11, when it says there are duplicate files in source and
    destination, does it say that when it finds them or at the end of the
    whole process? Either way, this is no easier to solve. It did know
    there were 6 of them when it brought up the message box.


    Pretend I'm from another planet.

    OK, you have this Android phone and it has a program called MyPhoneExplorer.

    Was there a matching program on the PC called MyPhoneExplorer ?

    Yes.

    Perhaps that would support a private sync protocol of some sort.

    Did the MyPhoneExplorer think it was using MTP protocol ? I don't

    I don't know. It never asks. It will connect the phone and the PC by
    cable, wifi, Bluetooth, Fixed IP address, or Autodetect. Once connected
    it works the same with any connection I've tried.

    It allows copying files, syncing contacts, writing, sending, receiving
    and reading texts (using the full sized keyboard). It keeps a call log
    and calendar, and has one-click multisync. Although I don't know details
    of many of these I used to sync contacts (to save them for a new
    phone), but mostly I just copy files and send texts with it.

    To copy files one starts at the top of the phone's file structure,
    Internal storage and External storage. Click on one and it shows the directories inside. One is DCIM. Click on that and then on camera and
    see every photo in that half of storage (well, except in the Android ng
    I posted how, even though I use only one camera app (and I did switch
    from internal storage to external, I've found my photos in 3
    directories, not just two. That is a separate curiosity:

    A large bunch of photos in Internal storage\DCIM\camera
    and a large bunch of photos in Internal storage\DCIM
    and a large bunch in External storage\DCIM\Camera

    There is nothing in External storage\DCIM except the Camera folder.

    think windows does MTP as a host on its side. It does not pretend
    it is a Digital Camera and that it has a DCIM folder.

    You could be using MTP (over some wire protocol).
    You could be using FTP over IP.
    You could be using File Sharing over IP.
    It could be using a private sync protocol (between two copies of the program).

    First try and frame what is going on, on the two ends a bit better.

    Just as a general comment, what you're seeing is not an expected behavior.

    Glad to hear that.

    And as a developer, you're NOT supposed to turn every computer experience >into a "forensic nightmare". Just sayin. An example of a forensic nightmare, >is OneDrive failure states. The "Where are My Files" problem.

    But I don't have a big nightmare to ask about. This is all I've got.

    Paul
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 08:37:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:38:18 +0100, "J. P.
    Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2025/7/19 4:3:28, micky wrote:
    Using Android and Win11, and details of how copy works in win11 may be
    different from win10, or at least important:

    There's probably a better way to do it but I copy my photos from my
    phone to my PC (and later to a backup drive) by displaying the phone's
    camera folder in MyPhoneExplorer's file manager, highlighting the ones

    Is MyPhoneExplorer something running on the PC, or on the 'phone?

    Both

    that are newer than the ones in the PC, and dragging them to the folder
    in the PC.

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in
    internal storage? So to help myself to look further later, I created a
    new folder in the PC and copied everything to it. About 626 files, took
    80 minutes, no problem, I'm not going anywhere.

    But at the end, it found 6 files that already existed in the destination

    You say "at the end", but later ask.

    It said it at the end, but maybe it found them earlier and didn't ask
    until the end.

    folder. How can that be when it was a new folder? I said to keep both
    and give a new name to the ones copied in. When I look, after the copy
    completed, I have 6 pairs of files, and the date, time, and size are the
    same for each pair. They really are the same. Did it get mixed up and
    start copying a second time? Then why did it stop after 6?

    I had a similar overwrite query years ago when using my genealogy
    software (Brother's Keeper)'s own backup facility, when I selected the >option "also backup images" (or something like that); it turned out
    that, although the software is happy linking to images all over the
    place, it backs them up, when you select that option, to the same place; >thus when I had images of the same name in two different places (say, an >image of the census return for a given family, stored under the 1891 and
    the 1901 censuses), it asked me keep or overwrite (unfortunately it
    didn't offer a rename option).

    [Now, I just use its own backup feature to back up its own data files,
    not images; I back those up, including their directory structure, with >FreeFileSync.]

    I'm wondering: is it possible that, between the naming system of the
    'phone and the computer, you have (six cases of where) two files have a >different name/identity on the 'phone, but this gets turned into the
    same name on the computer? In other words, it copied one of them fine,
    but when it gets to the second one, it wants to give it a name on the >computer which it finds already present. So the files weren't there in
    your - newly-created - directory from the start, but from earlier in the >copying session.>

    That would account for it, but I haven't been aware of any name changes.
    Being photograhs, the system names them with the date and time, to the
    second. One might be able to take two pictures in the same second. I
    think they get named ...burst...and checking that now, yes, they are
    called, for example, IMG_202111020_140110_burst1.jpg thought burst17. So
    they still don't have the same name. And the six problem files didn't
    have burst in their name anyhow, and 2 were mp4. And you can't take mp4
    videos with burst.

    (This set of pictures is dated 4 years ago. I think I tried burst once
    or twice and might have also done it by accident. I'm not a sports news photographer and don't have a big need for this feature. I think it's a
    lot easier to implement in a digital camera than a film camera.)

    Complicating this a bit is that I first started to copy the files to the
    correct folder, realized that the new files would be lost among the old
    files and stopped the copy after less than a minute, time enough maybe
    to copy in 6 files and indeed those same 6 files are in the already
    existing destination folder. Can something about being copied the first
    time cause them to be copied to the new folder too? How can that be?

    I can't see how it can, but that's assuming you are instigating this
    copying from the computer; knowing little of Android, I don't know if it
    can if you're doing so from the 'phone.

    Yes, I was using the computer to do this. MyPhoneExplorer displays a
    list of files with the usual view options. I almost always use Details.
    And you can sort of any of the fields. I used Date, so I could start
    copying where I left off last time.

    The new folder didn't exist when I mistakenly copied a few files to a
    different existing folder. And the new folder could not have been a
    duplicate of the existing folder because it was new and I copied nothing
    into it other than that one big copy.

    In Win11, when it says there are duplicate files in source and
    destination, does it say that when it finds them or at the end of the
    whole process? Either way, this is no easier to solve. It did know
    there were 6 of them when it brought up the message box.
    Sorry, can't answer that one - I'm only on 10, and really only familiar
    with 7. On 7 (and I think 10), it stops the copy to ask what to do
    (keep, overwrite, or rename) when it comes to a duplicate (or seems to;

    That was my recollection. .

    maybe it copies/moves all the problem-free ones before asking. But I

    A clue that win11 waits until the end is that it asks, Do you want to
    use the same choice for your next 5 conflicts**. It knows how many there
    are, so it must have finished or looked ahead. Win10 would ask, Do you
    want to use the same choice for all your similar files.

    **I said No, but each time I clicked on Keep Both and the Remaining
    counter went down by one.

    think I've seen it ask this question, then when answered, go back to
    further copying). It does offer "do this with all other similar files?"
    when it asks you to choose what to do, but I don't know if it knows at
    that point how many there are.

    I think this is a small improvement in win11.
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 09:06:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 7/19/25 8:37 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:38:18 +0100, "J. P.
    Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2025/7/19 4:3:28, micky wrote:
    <big snip>
    I'm not going to try to point out where you made statements. But here are my thoughts in
    general.

    1st:
    I have a pixel6a camera. I get burst photos all the time. They are not dupes, copies or
    otherwise. The phone puts that on the names when you are in burst mode. The phone is
    taking several pictures in fast rapid burst mode. It's a phone feature, maybe on all but
    androids at least. Sometimes as simple as holding the button rather than tapping the
    button on the phone. That or it's in the photo app settings.

    2nd:
    Android is Linux. Linux is case sensitive. IMG103.JPG is not IMG103.jpg. They are
    different.
    Windows is case insensitive. The 2 images are the same thing to windows.

    This all just adds to your confusion I think. HTH
    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.12.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 140.0.4
    Alan K.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 23:14:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025/7/19 13:37:59, micky wrote:
    []

    That would account for it, but I haven't been aware of any name changes.

    Could what Alan K. observed about case (in)sensitivity being an
    explanation - XYZ.jpg being the same as xyz.jpg on one OS but not the
    other? Though ...

    Being photograhs, the system names them with the date and time, to the second. One might be able to take two pictures in the same second. I

    ... that suggests not.

    (This set of pictures is dated 4 years ago. I think I tried burst once
    or twice and might have also done it by accident. I'm not a sports news photographer and don't have a big need for this feature. I think it's a
    lot easier to implement in a digital camera than a film camera.)

    Well, a film camera has to physically wind on the film (as well as
    cocking the shutter, but that's usually combined with the winding
    action). Towards the end of film cameras, even quite lowly ones often
    had "motor drive", meaning the winding on (and shutter cocking) was
    done by a battery-driven motor rather than manually moving a lever on
    the camera; it was quite simple to implement things so that, if you kept
    your finger on the button beyond where it had wound to the next frame,
    it would keep taking; however, this was usually only about two frames a
    second if that. Cameras sold either for sports photography or
    professional paparazzi work had fast powerful motors (and sometimes the ability to hold larger film spools). But yes, rapid-fire from a film
    camera wasn't a trivial matter - and the practicality (and cost!) of
    getting through film rapidly also had to be taken into consideration.

    For digital cameras, it's only a matter of (a) how rapidly the image
    data can be shifted out of the sensor - not _usually_ that great a
    problem - and (b) how long the sensor needs to collect enough light to generate a new image - again, with modern sensors, not so much of a
    problem (except in very low light).
    Yes, I was using the computer to do this. MyPhoneExplorer displays a
    list of files with the usual view options. I almost always use Details.
    And you can sort of any of the fields. I used Date, so I could start
    copying where I left off last time.

    I take it you _have_ to use MyPhoneExplorer, and can't just use File
    Manager - i. e. the 'phone doesn't just appear like an external
    drive/card.[]

    A clue that win11 waits until the end is that it asks, Do you want to
    use the same choice for your next 5 conflicts**. It knows how many there
    are, so it must have finished or looked ahead. Win10 would ask, Do you
    want to use the same choice for all your similar files.

    **I said No, but each time I clicked on Keep Both and the Remaining
    counter went down by one.

    think I've seen it ask this question, then when answered, go back to
    further copying). It does offer "do this with all other similar files?"
    when it asks you to choose what to do, but I don't know if it knows at
    that point how many there are.

    I think this is a small improvement in win11.
    Yes, sounds like it. (Could be that it only does 5 [or whatever] at a
    time, of course.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Once you've started swinging, chimp-like, through the branches of your
    family tree, you might easily end up anywhere.
    - Alexander Armstrong, RT 2014/8/23-29
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 19:34:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 23:14:12 +0100, "J. P.
    Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:


    Yes, I was using the computer to do this. MyPhoneExplorer displays a
    list of files with the usual view options. I almost always use Details.
    And you can sort of any of the fields. I used Date, so I could start
    copying where I left off last time.

    I take it you _have_ to use MyPhoneExplorer, and can't just use File
    Manager - i. e. the 'phone doesn't just appear like an external >drive/card.[]

    I'm 95% sure I have seen the phone in some windows file manager,
    probably the one that comes with Windows. Maybe this ia an example of old-habits die hard, though it's not much trouble to start the app in
    thue phone and connect it in one of the many ways allowed. The phone
    woud have to be on in any case.

    Okay, I'll investigate. By golly, it's there in File Explorer now, but
    only one line. When I click on the > sign, the sign disappears and
    nothing else appears. It's on the same wifi network. And it's plugged
    into a USB port, although I guess that is only charging. Connecting the
    phone by Bluetooth also to the computer doesn't change anything. So I
    can't use File Explorer.

    It doesn't appear at all in my favorite file manager, PowerDesk, and in
    the previous computer I'd tried lots of others to find which would be my favorite. Unless someone writes another, I'm done with looking.

    BTW, I like PowerDesk but it does not display all the files. I can't
    rmemeber if it's 32-bt or 64-bit that it does not display, but the only
    files I've ever not found are HOSTS and maybe 3 or 4 others in that same subdirectory. So my uneducated brain has cnocluded that most files are
    one size smaller, that is 16 bit or 32-bit,

    There is at least one other File managers whose free version is 16 (or
    32) bit, and whose paid version is one step up, 32 or 64-bit.

    YOu can still edit HOSTS as they pointed out in the other thread, by
    using Notepad or something similar and Open File, or use a file manager
    that will display it, and Open With.

    A clue that win11 waits until the end is that it asks, Do you want to
    use the same choice for your next 5 conflicts**. It knows how many there
    are, so it must have finished or looked ahead. Win10 would ask, Do you
    want to use the same choice for all your similar files.

    **I said No, but each time I clicked on Keep Both and the Remaining
    counter went down by one.

    think I've seen it ask this question, then when answered, go back to
    further copying). It does offer "do this with all other similar files?"
    when it asks you to choose what to do, but I don't know if it knows at
    that point how many there are.

    I think this is a small improvement in win11.
    Yes, sounds like it. (Could be that it only does 5 [or whatever] at a
    time, of course.)

    Maybe.

    There is also Phone Link, which allows one to make cell phone calls and
    texts and receive them from the PC. That also needs something running
    in both the PC and phone, thought I think the phone part is running automatically for some reason. (Also I was on the bluetooth page of
    the phone, and connected alreadhy, but the entry for the laptop turned
    from white or grey to bright blue when I started Phone Link.) Phone
    Link has "tabs" for Messages, Calls, and Photos. The Photos "tab" is
    way inferior to MyPhoneExplorer because it has only one view afaict.
    That is, small photos, 4 to a row, square, with as many rows as one
    needs to look at to see all of them. But even that is not as good
    because it's taking time to load the photos, but when in MPE I just
    showed details, that loaded almost much much much faster, maybe
    instanenously. Plus it doesn't show dates, or size, or file name or
    extension, just the picture. So I may use Phone Link for calls and
    texts but not backing up phone pictures. And it doesn't even try to
    show files other than photos while MyPhoneExplorer will show any file in internal or external storage.

    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Once you've started swinging, chimp-like, through the branches of your >family tree, you might easily end up anywhere.
    - Alexander Armstrong, RT 2014/8/23-29
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 19:34:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 09:06:09 -0400, "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 7/19/25 8:37 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:38:18 +0100, "J. P.
    Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2025/7/19 4:3:28, micky wrote:
    <big snip>
    I'm not going to try to point out where you made statements. But here are my thoughts in
    general.

    1st:
    I have a pixel6a camera. I get burst photos all the time. They are not dupes, copies or
    otherwise. The phone puts that on the names when you are in burst mode. The phone is
    taking several pictures in fast rapid burst mode. It's a phone feature, maybe on all but
    androids at least. Sometimes as simple as holding the button rather than tapping the
    button on the phone. That or it's in the photo app settings.

    2nd:
    Android is Linux. Linux is case sensitive. IMG103.JPG is not IMG103.jpg. They are
    different.
    Windows is case insensitive. The 2 images are the same thing to windows.

    This all just adds to your confusion I think.

    Maybe so.

    HTH

    A little irony there, yes?
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jul 19 20:00:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 7/19/2025 6:14 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/19 13:37:59, micky wrote:
    []

    That would account for it, but I haven't been aware of any name changes.

    Could what Alan K. observed about case (in)sensitivity being an explanation - XYZ.jpg being the same as xyz.jpg on one OS but not the other? Though ...


    Windows does have an option for case-sensitivity.

    While most of the time, this is switched off, there is
    an option to enable it.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/case-sensitivity

    "The Windows file system supports setting case sensitivity with attribute flags per directory."

    "fsutil.exe file setCaseSensitiveInfo <path> enable

    A directory must be empty in order to change the case sensitivity flag attribute on that directory."

    There is a bit of the history, documented here.

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/111293-enable-disable-case-sensitive-attribute-folders-windows-10-a.html

    Paul

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  • From Char Jackson@none@none.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 02:24:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 19:34:07 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jul 2025 23:14:12 +0100, "J. P. >Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    []
    I take it you _have_ to use MyPhoneExplorer, and can't just use File >>Manager - i. e. the 'phone doesn't just appear like an external >>drive/card.[]

    I'm 95% sure I have seen the phone in some windows file manager,
    probably the one that comes with Windows. Maybe this ia an example of >old-habits die hard, though it's not much trouble to start the app in
    thue phone and connect it in one of the many ways allowed. The phone
    woud have to be on in any case.

    Okay, I'll investigate. By golly, it's there in File Explorer now, but
    only one line. When I click on the > sign, the sign disappears and
    nothing else appears.

    I assume you know this, but at some point, shortly after connecting the
    phone to the PC, you should be prompted on the phone to allow or deny
    the connection from the PC. You'd Deny the connection if you only wanted
    to charge the phone, for example, but if you wanted to perform a file
    transfer you'd have to hit Allow. I'm not sure, but I think if you
    ignore the prompt it eventually goes away and assumes you wanted to deny
    it. At that point, the phone will still be visible in File Explorer, but clicking on it doesn't do anything.

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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 10:56:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 02:24:48 -0500, Char
    Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:


    I'm 95% sure I have seen the phone in some windows file manager,
    probably the one that comes with Windows. Maybe this ia an example of >>old-habits die hard, though it's not much trouble to start the app in
    thue phone and connect it in one of the many ways allowed. The phone
    woud have to be on in any case.

    Okay, I'll investigate. By golly, it's there in File Explorer now, but >>only one line. When I click on the > sign, the sign disappears and
    nothing else appears.

    I assume you know this, but at some point, shortly after connecting the
    phone to the PC, you should be prompted on the phone to allow or deny
    the connection from the PC. You'd Deny the connection if you only wanted

    Well I sort of know it but I hadn't thought about it, so it's very good
    that you broughnt it up.

    I plug the phone into the PC every time I'm used the phone for a while ,
    but only to charge it. So I always tap Cancel, without even thinking
    anymore. I will tap something else and get back to you.

    I was so committed to Cancel I had actually hoped there was a setting so
    it would assume I want Cancel.

    to charge the phone, for example, but if you wanted to perform a file >transfer you'd have to hit Allow. I'm not sure, but I think if you
    ignore the prompt it eventually goes away and assumes you wanted to deny
    it. At that point, the phone will still be visible in File Explorer, but >clicking on it doesn't do anything.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 12:22:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 10:56:43 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 02:24:48 -0500, Char
    Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:


    I'm 95% sure I have seen the phone in some windows file manager,
    probably the one that comes with Windows. Maybe this ia an example of >>>old-habits die hard, though it's not much trouble to start the app in >>>thue phone and connect it in one of the many ways allowed. The phone >>>woud have to be on in any case.

    Okay, I'll investigate. By golly, it's there in File Explorer now, but >>>only one line. When I click on the > sign, the sign disappears and >>>nothing else appears.

    I assume you know this, but at some point, shortly after connecting the >>phone to the PC, you should be prompted on the phone to allow or deny
    the connection from the PC. You'd Deny the connection if you only wanted

    Well I sort of know it but I hadn't thought about it, so it's very good
    that you broughnt it up.

    I plug the phone into the PC every time I'm used the phone for a while ,
    but only to charge it. So I always tap Cancel, without even thinking >anymore. I will tap something else and get back to you.

    I plugged in the charger cable from the PC to the phone before I turned
    the phone on, and the question box didn't come up at all.
    So I unplugged it, and plugged it in again and the box came up and I answered Transfer Photos (PTP).

    And in MS File Explorer, it did show more, but only Internal storage,
    which it called Internal shared storage. No hint of the external
    storage for some strange reason. (Maybe external storage is not meant
    to be "shared"? Even with me.) It did not have the Android folder that
    I found later. Even when I clicked on "Open Device to View Files / File Explorer"

    OKay, I did it again and this time I tapped File Transfer - Android
    Auto. This time a box came up on the PC asking me to say what I wanted
    to do when this device was plugged in and I clicked "Open Device to View
    Files / File Explorer". This time, in addition to Internal shared
    storage, thre was a folder called android and in that was DCIM / camera
    with more photos, so I guess that was *external* storage, but it was
    internal storage that hsd its own folder. I would expect it to be the
    other way around.


    This is pretty complicated. There are combinations of possible actions I
    have not even covered.

    There is also a PC choice, upload photos, or something like that. It's
    what I want but I've never tried it because I anticipate it will insist
    on sending them to User/me/Pictures, not to where I keep my photos. Or
    it will make me tell it each time where I want them to go. Maybe it's
    better than that.

    Another reason I didn't think of not saying Cancel when asked is that MyPhoneExplore doesn't require it. I always say Cancel with MPE and it
    finds both sets of storage.

    Another advantage of MPE is it comes with two other free apps, MPE
    tasks, which is a todo list that I've never used, and MPE Notes, that I
    didn't use for the first 10 years but I love it now. I open a new note
    for a new topic, tap the microphone and speak my notes. Later I can add
    or modify what I've written. A table of contents shows the first line.
    Don't have to carry a pen or take the tiem to write or tap out a
    message.


    I was so committed to Cancel I had actually hoped there was a setting so
    it would assume I want Cancel.

    to charge the phone, for example, but if you wanted to perform a file >>transfer you'd have to hit Allow. I'm not sure, but I think if you
    ignore the prompt it eventually goes away and assumes you wanted to deny >>it. At that point, the phone will still be visible in File Explorer, but >>clicking on it doesn't do anything.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 12:40:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 12:22:40 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 10:56:43 -0400, micky ><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 02:24:48 -0500, Char
    Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:


    I'm 95% sure I have seen the phone in some windows file manager, >>>>probably the one that comes with Windows. Maybe this ia an example of >>>>old-habits die hard, though it's not much trouble to start the app in >>>>thue phone and connect it in one of the many ways allowed. The phone >>>>woud have to be on in any case.

    Okay, I'll investigate. By golly, it's there in File Explorer now, but >>>>only one line. When I click on the > sign, the sign disappears and >>>>nothing else appears.

    I assume you know this, but at some point, shortly after connecting the >>>phone to the PC, you should be prompted on the phone to allow or deny
    the connection from the PC. You'd Deny the connection if you only wanted

    Well I sort of know it but I hadn't thought about it, so it's very good >>that you broughnt it up.

    I plug the phone into the PC every time I'm used the phone for a while , >>but only to charge it. So I always tap Cancel, without even thinking >>anymore. I will tap something else and get back to you.

    I plugged in the charger cable from the PC to the phone before I turned
    the phone on, and the question box didn't come up at all.
    So I unplugged it, and plugged it in again and the box came up and I
    answered Transfer Photos (PTP).

    And in MS File Explorer, it did show more, but only Internal storage,
    which it called Internal shared storage. No hint of the external
    storage for some strange reason. (Maybe external storage is not meant
    to be "shared"? Even with me.) It did not have the Android folder that
    I found later. Even when I clicked on "Open Device to View Files / File >Explorer"

    OKay, I did it again and this time I tapped File Transfer - Android
    Auto. This time a box came up on the PC asking me to say what I wanted
    to do when this device was plugged in and I clicked "Open Device to View >Files / File Explorer". This time, in addition to Internal shared
    storage, thre was a folder called android and in that was DCIM / camera
    with more photos, so I guess that was *external* storage, but it was
    internal storage that hsd its own folder. I would expect it to be the
    other way around.


    This is pretty complicated. There are combinations of possible actions I
    have not even covered.

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little
    surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world


    There is also a PC choice, upload photos, or something like that. It's
    what I want but I've never tried it because I anticipate it will insist
    on sending them to User/me/Pictures, not to where I keep my photos. Or
    it will make me tell it each time where I want them to go. Maybe it's
    better than that.

    Another reason I didn't think of not saying Cancel when asked is that >MyPhoneExplore doesn't require it. I always say Cancel with MPE and it
    finds both sets of storage.

    Another advantage of MPE is it comes with two other free apps, MPE
    tasks, which is a todo list that I've never used, and MPE Notes, that I >didn't use for the first 10 years but I love it now. I open a new note
    for a new topic, tap the microphone and speak my notes. Later I can add
    or modify what I've written. A table of contents shows the first line.
    Don't have to carry a pen or take the tiem to write or tap out a
    message.


    I was so committed to Cancel I had actually hoped there was a setting so
    it would assume I want Cancel.

    to charge the phone, for example, but if you wanted to perform a file >>>transfer you'd have to hit Allow. I'm not sure, but I think if you
    ignore the prompt it eventually goes away and assumes you wanted to deny >>>it. At that point, the phone will still be visible in File Explorer, but >>>clicking on it doesn't do anything.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 17:57:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025/7/20 17:40:1, micky wrote:
    []

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    Everything (the voidtools software), by default at least, doesn't map removable drives (e. g. USB sticks, memory cards, external hard drives);
    I'm not sure if there's a way to make it map them - I think there is,
    but it works _much_ more slowly when doing so. So the 'phone isn't a
    special case - it's just an example of an external device.
    []
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 17:23:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    [...]

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    That's because the phone isn't part of the file system. It doesn't
    have a drive letter or/and network path ('\\<whatever>'). It is an *MTP device*, not a *drive*. Just try to access it with anything *other* than
    File Explorer - i.e. for example from a Command Prompt window - and
    you'll see you can't.

    [...]
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 13:39:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:23 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    [...]

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little
    surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    That's because the phone isn't part of the file system. It doesn't
    have a drive letter or/and network path ('\\<whatever>'). It is an *MTP device*, not a *drive*. Just try to access it with anything *other* than
    File Explorer - i.e. for example from a Command Prompt window - and
    you'll see you can't.

    [...]


    There is a way to do that.

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64910317/mount-mtp-device-on-windows

    But it's too obscure for daily usage.

    It (as usual) requires a particular version of Dokan be installed first.
    Then the mtpmount package, which connects the MTP device as an
    Installable File System (IFS) removable drive. This is roughly
    equivalent to mount -t mtpfs on Linux.

    Linux has the same limitations, except the options to run the
    device as MTP is the default, while MTPfs is optional for making
    the device appear as part of the file system.

    Paul
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 19:04:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    micky wrote:

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in internal storage?
    What are the three paths to photo folders?

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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jul 20 23:06:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 13:39:42 -0400, Paul wrote :


    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64910317/mount-mtp-device-on-windows But it's too obscure for daily usage.

    How to mount your Android phone as a Windows drive letter over Wi-Fi

    1. Install any free WebDAV server on Android
    2. Set it up as desired (or just use the defaults)
    3. Type this command on Windows (use your phone's IP address)
    net use X: \\192.168.0.2@8000\DavWWWRoot /USER:foo bar

    Q: How do I know that it's that easy?
    A: I've done it a billion times.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg>
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jul 21 09:42:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-21 01:06:

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 13:39:42 -0400, Paul wrote :


    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64910317/mount-mtp-device-on-windows >> But it's too obscure for daily usage.

    How to mount your Android phone as a Windows drive letter over Wi-Fi

    1. Install any free WebDAV server on Android
    2. Set it up as desired (or just use the defaults)
    3. Type this command on Windows (use your phone's IP address)
    net use X: \\192.168.0.2@8000\DavWWWRoot /USER:foo bar

    Q: How do I know that it's that easy?
    A: I've done it a billion times.

    A similar approach is possible using Cx File Explorer and FTP instead of
    WebDAV which is also supported by Windows 10/11. However you need to use
    the Windows Explorer assistant to add the FTP address displayed by Cx
    File Explorer as virtual drive. Another way would be to use FileZilla (<https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client>).
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11FINSIHTEXT on Mon Jul 21 11:51:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:04:54 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    Today I found a cache of photos in a 3rd location on the phone. I
    understand why external and internal storage, but why two locations in
    internal storage?
    What are the three paths to photo folders?

    A large bunch of them in Internal storage\DCIM\cameras ** .
    Also a large bunch of photos in Internal storage\DCIM !***
    And a large bunch in External storage\DCIM\Camera ****.

    There is nothing in External storage\DCIM except the Camera folder.

    I changed a while back from internal storage to external, but it seems
    there are pictures in the 3rd location because one of my camera apps
    does not follow standards.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 12:12:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:51:01 -0400, micky wrote :


    A large bunch of them in Internal storage\DCIM\cameras ** .
    Also a large bunch of photos in Internal storage\DCIM !***
    And a large bunch in External storage\DCIM\Camera ****.

    There is nothing in External storage\DCIM except the Camera folder.

    I changed a while back from internal storage to external, but it seems
    there are pictures in the 3rd location because one of my camera apps
    does not follow standards.

    Wait until you look in \Internal storage\Pictures ... :)
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qdv1jhJT/internal-storage.jpg>

    Let's not even get started on the \Internal storage\Android\media folders.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/13DwRbC7/media.jpg>

    Such as what might be found in the media WhatsApp subfolders...
    <https://i.postimg.cc/cJsxszmQ/whatsapp-media.jpg>

    Note: The Android phone & Windows PC are always one & the same device.
    You completely operate the phone on the PC, where it's two feet tall.
    The clipboard, keyboard, speakers, mouse, monitor, etc., operate together.
    If desired WebDAV can mount the Android filesystem as a Windows drive.
    It's completely seamless over Wi-Fi or over USB with Android & Windows.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 12:25:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 20 Jul 2025 17:23:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little
    surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    That's because the phone isn't part of the file system. It doesn't
    have a drive letter or/and network path ('\\<whatever>'). It is an *MTP device*, not a *drive*. Just try to access it with anything *other* than
    File Explorer - i.e. for example from a Command Prompt window - and
    you'll see you can't.

    IMHO, there's no need for those crazy "special" file-system browsers.
    It's trivial to mount the Android file system onto Windows as a drive.

    1. Install any free no-registration no-ads WebDAV server on Android
    2. Set it up as needed (or just choose to use the standard defaults)
    3. Mount the Android filesystem as a drive letter on Windows
    C:\> net use I: \\192.168.0.2@8000\DavWWWRoot /USER:foo bar

    Note that "DavWWWRoot" is a Windows keyword only; Android knows nothing
    about any of these common Windows-only client/server root keywords.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg>

    I've done it a billion times but here are some references I dug up to be helpful to those who may initially fear mounting Android as a drive letter.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO22a85Bwx0>
    <https://servicecenter.fsu.edu/s/article/How-do-I-use-WebDAV-with-Windows-11-Individual>
    <https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/216473357-Accessing-WebDAV-with-Windows>
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 12:31:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 12:40:01 -0400, micky wrote :


    This is pretty complicated. There are combinations of possible actions I >>have not even covered.

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    If a user mounts the Android file system as a drive letter on Windows,
    (which I've done a billion times and which requires nothing more than a
    free no-registration no-ads webdav server running on Android), then you can
    see on Windows more of the Android file system than you can see on Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6371SxNd/mountandroidonwindows.jpg>

    You can see stuff in the Android root file system for example.
    Like the Android HOSTS file.

    Note: On Windows, ADB can also see the root Android file system.
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 16:42:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-22 14:31:

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 12:40:01 -0400, micky wrote :


    This is pretty complicated. There are combinations of possible actions I >>> have not even covered.

    Another thing, Even when MS File Explorer is showing all the files on
    the phone, [Find] Everything shows none of them. That's a little
    surprising, but maybe phones are the step-children of the digital world

    If a user mounts the Android file system as a drive letter on Windows,
    (which I've done a billion times and which requires nothing more than a
    free no-registration no-ads webdav server running on Android), then you can see on Windows more of the Android file system than you can see on Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6371SxNd/mountandroidonwindows.jpg>

    You can see stuff in the Android root file system for example.
    Like the Android HOSTS file.

    Note: On Windows, ADB can also see the root Android file system.

    See, maybe - but not *access* it without root permissions.
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 16:39:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:42:33 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    If a user mounts the Android file system as a drive letter on Windows,
    (which I've done a billion times and which requires nothing more than a
    free no-registration no-ads webdav server running on Android), then you can >> see on Windows more of the Android file system than you can see on Android. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/6371SxNd/mountandroidonwindows.jpg>

    You can see stuff in the Android root file system for example.
    Like the Android HOSTS file.

    Note: On Windows, ADB can also see the root Android file system.

    See, maybe - but not *access* it without root permissions.

    Hi Arno,

    I'm not sure what you mean by "access" because there are (at least) two different types of "access", one of which is "read access", which you have.

    You always could copy the non-root Android HOSTS file over to Windows.

    You just can't write the HOSTS file back to the Android root filesystem. Writing HOSTS back to the Android filesystem requires "write access".

    My main point though which I was trying to convey to the team in a
    purposefully helpful manner was you often have more read access to almost
    the entire unrooted Android file system from Windows than you have from Android. <https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg>

    Which is one of the reasons I stated that I've tried every single free ad
    free file access method proposed on these newsgroups (AFAIK) and, as a
    result, whenever I see someone proposing the (crazy) methods, I defer.

    Using CxFileExplorer or FTP is a terrible kluge, IMHO, for example.
    All those "MyPhoneExplorer" style kluges are ridiculously absurd, I feel.

    Compared to the sheer simplicity of simply mounting Android to Windows as a drive letter (or to the even simpler use of the Windows file explorer).
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  • From Arno Welzel@usenet@arnowelzel.de to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jul 22 23:57:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion, 2025-07-22 18:39:

    On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:42:33 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    If a user mounts the Android file system as a drive letter on Windows,
    (which I've done a billion times and which requires nothing more than a
    free no-registration no-ads webdav server running on Android), then you can >>> see on Windows more of the Android file system than you can see on Android. >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/6371SxNd/mountandroidonwindows.jpg>

    You can see stuff in the Android root file system for example.
    Like the Android HOSTS file.

    Note: On Windows, ADB can also see the root Android file system.

    See, maybe - but not *access* it without root permissions.

    Hi Arno,

    I'm not sure what you mean by "access" because there are (at least) two different types of "access", one of which is "read access", which you have.

    Correct. However, some folders are not readable using ADB without root permissions. For example all folders inside /data/data since this is the protected storage of apps.

    And the most important point: you first have to install ADB on your
    computer *and* get your device connected, which is not that simple for
    many people.

    [...]
    Using CxFileExplorer or FTP is a terrible kluge, IMHO, for example.

    Why? It doesn't need any extra software besides the app itself. Even FTP
    can be used in Windows without any extra tools - it may not show up as
    "drive letter" but you can still add the FTP server provided by
    CxFileExplorer as network location in Windows and just use it.

    All those "MyPhoneExplorer" style kluges are ridiculously absurd, I feel.

    Compared to the sheer simplicity of simply mounting Android to Windows as a drive letter (or to the even simpler use of the Windows file explorer).

    What is "simple" in using a command which you have to know first
    compared to a menu in the Windows explorer which to add a network
    location? How many average Android and Windows users even know what "net
    use" means if you don't tell them first?
    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jul 23 01:44:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On 2025-07-22 23:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Marion, 2025-07-22 18:39:

    On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:42:33 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    [...]
    Using CxFileExplorer or FTP is a terrible kluge, IMHO, for example.

    Why? It doesn't need any extra software besides the app itself. Even FTP
    can be used in Windows without any extra tools - it may not show up as
    "drive letter" but you can still add the FTP server provided by CxFileExplorer as network location in Windows and just use it.

    All those "MyPhoneExplorer" style kluges are ridiculously absurd, I feel.

    Compared to the sheer simplicity of simply mounting Android to Windows as a >> drive letter (or to the even simpler use of the Windows file explorer).

    What is "simple" in using a command which you have to know first
    compared to a menu in the Windows explorer which to add a network
    location? How many average Android and Windows users even know what "net
    use" means if you don't tell them first?

    I tried "Cx File Explorer" FTP the other day. It is fine and easy for transferring photos, but it transferred 23331M while simple-mtpfs
    transferred 56257M. Many files, mostly in the /Android directory, were
    not copied.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jul 23 00:40:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 23:57:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :


    I'm not sure what you mean by "access" because there are (at least) two
    different types of "access", one of which is "read access", which you have.

    Correct. However, some folders are not readable using ADB without root permissions. For example all folders inside /data/data since this is the protected storage of apps.

    Hi Arno,

    I do agree with you on this for visibility of unrooted Android files.
    There seem to be three situations.

    a. Files/folders which are read/write to everyone
    b. Files/folders which are read only to privileged apps like webdav/adb
    c. Files/folders which are locked from reading by even privileged apps

    And the most important point: you first have to install ADB on your
    computer *and* get your device connected, which is not that simple for
    many people.

    Well.... we did it so many years ago that we forgot what it took. :)
    (I use adb every day, all day, since scrcpy requires adb to mirror.)

    Using CxFileExplorer or FTP is a terrible kluge, IMHO, for example.

    Why? It doesn't need any extra software besides the app itself. Even FTP
    can be used in Windows without any extra tools - it may not show up as
    "drive letter" but you can still add the FTP server provided by CxFileExplorer as network location in Windows and just use it.

    Well. OK. I've tried them all. Every single one. I prefer WebDAV.
    However, some people take the train, others take the bus while others fly.
    It all works in the end where it boils down to individual preferences.

    BTW, with FTPUse you can get a drive letter out of unrooted Android.
    <https://www.ferrobackup.com/map-ftp-as-disk.html>
    "The FTPUSE command maps a remote share (FTP server) as a local drive,
    so you can use the FTP server of your choice as a local hard drive.
    FTPUSE is a free application which was developed during production
    of the endpoint backup solution Ferro Backup System, but disks
    mapped using FTPUSE can be accessed by any application
    (e.g. Windows Explorer, Total Commander, MS-DOS command shell)."

    Even though FTPUse allow mounting of Android as a drive, I prefer
    to use WebDAV to mount Android as a drive letter on Windows.

    All those "MyPhoneExplorer" style kluges are ridiculously absurd, I feel.

    Compared to the sheer simplicity of simply mounting Android to Windows as a >> drive letter (or to the even simpler use of the Windows file explorer).

    What is "simple" in using a command which you have to know first
    compared to a menu in the Windows explorer which to add a network
    location? How many average Android and Windows users even know what "net
    use" means if you don't tell them first?

    Well, OK. I've tried every method ever suggested on this ng (AFAIK) that doesn't require an account and which has no ads and which is free.

    Some people walk, some run, some ride bikes, others drive cars.
    Use whatever method floats your boat.

    I was simply distinguishing between the methods, where some are
    simpler and more robust than others.

    Here's something I wrote years ago when testing all possible solutions.

    1. You can connect the Android phone to Windows 10 by Bluetooth,
    by Wi-Fi (over the LAN or by ad hoc Wi-Fi) or by USB cable.

    Most people just plug the phone into Windows (just like any other
    USB device) and Windows automatically installs the driver for it.
    *Install OEM USB drivers*
    <https://developer.android.com/studio/run/oem-usb>

    If the correct driver isn't installed, every manufacturer provides it.
    Acer -> https://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/
    Alcatel -> https://www.alcatelmobile.com/support/
    Asus -> https://www.asus.com/support/Download-Center/
    Blackberry -> https://swdownloads.blackberry.com/Downloads/entry.do?code=4EE0932F46276313B51570F46266A608
    Dell -> https://support.dell.com/support/downloads/index.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anavml
    FCNT -> https://www.fcnt.com/support/develop/#anc-03
    HTC -> https://www.htc.com/support
    Huawei -> https://consumer.huawei.com/en/support/index.htm
    Intel -> https://www.intel.com/software/android
    Kyocera -> https://kyoceramobile.com/support/drivers/
    Lenovo -> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/GlobalProductSelector
    LGE -> https://www.lg.com/us/support/software-firmware
    Motorola -> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/88481/
    MTK -> http://online.mediatek.com/Public%20Documents/MTK_Android_USB_Driver.zip
    Samsung -> https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/others/android-usb-driver-for-windows
    Sharp -> http://k-tai.sharp.co.jp/support/
    Sony -> https://developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/drivers/
    Toshiba -> https://support.toshiba.com/sscontent?docId=4001814
    Xiaomi -> https://web.vip.miui.com/page/info/mio/mio/detail?postId=18464849&app_version=dev.20051
    ZTE -> http://support.zte.com.cn/support/news/NewsDetail.aspx?newsId=1000442

    2. Either way (BT, Wi-Fi or USB) there are a multitude of connection tools.
    Offhand, some of the Android/Windows file-sharing solutions are
    AirDroid <https://www.airdroid.com/personal/>
    ADB <https://developer.android.com/tools/adb>
    AFT MTP client <https://whoozle.github.io/android-file-transfer-linux/>
    DirectNetDrive <http://www.directnet-drive.net/>
    FTPUse <https://www.ferrobackup.com/download/FtpUseInst.exe>
    Ftpuse <https://www.ferrobackup.com/map-ftp-as-disk.html>
    Fb-adb Android Linux shell <https://github.com/facebook/fb-adb>
    Go-mtpfs MTP FUSE filesystem <https://github.com/hanwen/go-mtpfs>
    Gphotofs Camera Linux mount <http://www.gphoto.org/proj/gphotofs/>
    JMTP FS <https://github.com/JasonFerrara/jmtpfs>
    KDEconnect <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect>
    Kies Connect <https://www.samsung.com/africa_en/support/kies/>
    LibIconv <http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libiconv.htm>
    LibMTP <https://github.com/hanwen/go-mtpfs>
    LibMTP <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libmtp/>
    LibMTP library MTP implementation <http://libmtp.sourceforge.net>
    LibUSB Win32 <http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/>
    LibUsbK <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/>
    LibiConv <http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libiconv.htm>
    MTP support on KDE <https://cgit.kde.org/kio-mtp.git>
    MTPDrive <http://mtpdrive.com/download.html>
    MTPSync <https://www.adebenham.com/mtpsync/>
    MTPdude <http://mtpdude.sourceforge.net>
    MTPfs FUSE filesystem <https://www.adebenham.com/mtpfs/>
    NetDrive 1.3.2.0 <https://filehippo.com/download_netdrive/12615/>
    NetDrive 3.6.571 <http://netdrive.net/ (deprecated)
    Nitroshare <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.nitroshare.android>
    PhoneLink <https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00083910/>
    SFTP Net Drive <https://www.nsoftware.com/sftp/netdrive/>
    SideSync <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sidesync.freeapp>
    SMB Cifs (client) X-Plore <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lonelycatgames.Xplore>
    SMB Cifs (root) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.imperioustech.www.sambaserver>
    Scrcpy/sndcpy <https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy>
    Termux copy <https://github.com/termux>
    WebDav <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.theolivetree.webdavserver>
    WebDrive <https://webdrive.com/download/>
    XNJB Mac OS X GUI <http://www.wentnet.com/projects/xnjb/>
    (this is mostly offhand so I likely missed as many as I listed)

    Personally, for myself, I'd mount the entire Android filesystem onto
    Windows as a read/write Windows drive letter over Wi-Fi using WebDav.

    See also FTPUse above which also creates a Windows networked share.

    Or, if I'm running commands from Windows to disable, install or
    otherwise manipulate applications, I use adb over Wi-Fi or USB.

    If I'm already using adb, then I may as well use screencopy and
    soundcopy to do _all_ the Android manipulations from the PC alone.

    But most people just plug the Android phone into Windows to drag and
    drop any file in the user partition between the devices using that PC.

    3. Of those, plenty are ad hoc Wi-Fi & USB file-sharing solutions.
    Kies Connect <https://www.samsung.com/africa_en/support/kies/>
    Nitroshare <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.nitroshare.android>
    KDEconnect <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect>
    FTPUse <https://www.ferrobackup.com/download/FtpUseInst.exe>

    I've used every single one of them, where my suggestion is NitroShare
    because of its simplicity (but all work, just in different ways).

    4. You can set up Android to act differently whenever you connect to USB
    Android12 Settings > Developer options > Default USB configuration
    (o) Transferring files <---- AFAIK, this is the default
    (_) USB tethering
    (_) MIDI
    (_) Transferring images
    (_) Charging phone only
    I wouldn't change this from the default of "Transferring files).

    5. Of course, you can do everything using just adb (on Wi-Fi or USB).

    First, find the name of the desired package:
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages | findStr /i "osmand"
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages <--- list all packages on the device
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages -f -3 <--- list third-party packages
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages -d <--- list only the disabled packages
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages -s <--- list only the system packages
    C:\> adb shell pm list packages -u <--- list only uninstalled packages
    C:\> adb shell dumpsys package packages <--- list package information
    C:\> adb shell pm dump net.osmand.plus <--- list info on a package

    Find out the full path to the desired package:
    C:\> adb shell pm path net.osmand.plus

    Copy the installer (which is always saved on Android!) to Windows.
    C:\> adb pull /data/app/long-nasty-path-net.osmand.plus/osmand-base.apk

    With this method you can copy all the APKs over in one robocopy command.
    C:\> adb shell dumpsys package packages | findStr /i ".apk$"
    The result is every app ever installed gets a Windows backup of its APK.

    Stop the desired package:
    C:\> adb shell am force-stop net.osmand.plus

    Disable the desired package:
    C:\> adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 net.osmand.plus

    Remove the desired package:
    C:\> adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 net.osmand.plus

    Note if adb can see it, then adb can copy it over to Windows.
    C:\> adb pull "/data/data/com.pkg.test/files/" .

    Even if you're not rooted (most people aren't) you can copy your
    Windows HOSTS file to Android if you know a few of the tricks.
    <https://superuser.com/questions/938751/i-am-trying-to-push-the-file-using-adb-to-my-android-device>

    Note also that "local adb" eliminates the need for the Windows PC.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.draco.ladb>

    5. Most Android phones have an sdslot so another option is to use
    Android to put the video onto that sd card and pop it into the PC.

    Having tested every single file copy method ever proposed on both
    the Windows and Android newsgroups, my recommendation is simple:
    a. Connect your Android phone to Windows by USB (for KISS simplicity).
    b. If the phone doesn't show up in "My Computer" install OEM drivers.
    c. Usually that works

    If you can't get the OEM drivers to work, then I'd try the WebDav
    servers on Android (unfortunately SMB servers on Android have issues).

    If you can't get the WebDav servers to work, then I'd use adb with scrcpy/sndcpy which completely mirrors the phone onto the PC.

    That's mostly what I do all day every day.

    One advantage is my phone becomes 20 inches tall by 9 inches wide
    on my computer monitor - and I can use the mouse, keyboard & clipboard.

    Also, the sound is the one coming out of the computer and not the
    phone - so I can loudly watch all the YouTube videos I want using either NewPipe or PipePipe (which is YouTube but without ever seeing an ad).
    <https://newpipe.net>
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>
    <https://github.com/InfinityLoop1308/PipePipe>
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/InfinityLoop1309.NewPipeEnhanced/>
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