• FAA To Finally Ditch Floppy Disks & Win-95

    From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to talk.politics.misc,alt.science,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.programming on Fri Jun 13 22:38:38 2025
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    https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/faa-eliminate-floppy-disks-outdated-tech-air-traffic-control-system/

    FAA to eliminate floppy disks, outdated tech in air traffic
    control system

    Transportation officials seek to implement new state-of-the-art
    system

    Plan will eliminate outdated tech like floppy disks, Windows 95

    . . .

    Floppies & Win-95 ....

    Well, they worked, but ......

    I'm surprised they got up as far as Win-95.

    A few years back there was a stoppage at a
    large French airport - the system that guided
    planes around the taxi-ways. Turned out it was
    run by one old box, running Win-3.11

    In any case it's become very clear that a major
    update is needed for the US airport/routing
    system. Knowing the govt process, the stuff
    will already be obsolete by the time it's
    installed, but not nearly SO obsolete.

    Kind of sad angle ... the CPU/space limitations
    of the old systems made EXTREMELY tight and
    function-oriented SOFTWARE a necessity. I've
    seen, sometimes done, a little of that. It's
    an impressive art. Likely still seen on space
    probes and Mars rovers and such (plus clever
    arrangements for ULTRA-redundancy). These are
    the programmers I most respect.

    There are few radiation-hardened chips coming
    out these days. We're still talking 80s tech.
    Slow - but robust. Big enough transistors so
    cosmic rays and such won't compromise things.

    Try :


    https://my.avnet.com/silica/resources/article/radiation-hardened-processors-for-space/

    For some newer hardware.

    If you really want to learn ultra-tight programming
    I'd suggest PIC and AVR microcontrollers - SO little
    RAM/EEPROM/Speed. Think BYTES of RAM ... what CAN you
    make 'em do ? Some can make them do a LOT.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc,comp.programming on Sat Jun 14 03:35:10 2025
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    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:38:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:


    In any case it's become very clear that a major update is needed for
    the US airport/routing system. Knowing the govt process, the stuff
    will already be obsolete by the time it's installed, but not nearly
    SO obsolete.

    In the early '70s we had a contract to build the controllers for the ALS system. The heart of the controller was an Eagle Signal electromechanical stepping switch which was pretty much obsolete. The harnesses had to be
    laced since the FAA wasn't sure about those new-fangled nylon cable ties.

    There are few radiation-hardened chips coming out these days. We're
    still talking 80s tech. Slow - but robust. Big enough transistors so
    cosmic rays and such won't compromise things.

    One project I worked on used TI's TMS9900 microprocessor of TI-99/4 fame.
    Or notoriety, take your pick. Its claim to fame was TI produced rad-hard parts. TI had ties to the defense industry that made them a natural.

    TI was also involved with the 'expert systems' flavor of AI after neural networks fell on their face in the '80s.

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