On Jul 13, 2025 at 1:07:02 PM EDT, "Tom Elam" <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:48 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:18:07 AM EDT, "Tom Elam" <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
My Dell came with Windows 11. My other 2, 7 and 8 year old HP's, did
not. I have been putting off doing the free update hoping that Microsoft >>>> would extend full W10 support. Apparently not happening. So this week I >>>> finally did the W10-W11 update to both.
Took about 2 hours each, most of which was un-monitored. Both had no
issues other than it took a while to download the ISO and process the
update. Just answered a few questions, downloaded the ISO file from
Microsoft, answered a few more questions, and went about my business.
All documents and apps were retained and seem to work fine. Two more
perfectly good laptops saved from the landfill, for now.
Not that anyone here cares, but it is absurdly easy to install Windows 11 on
"unsupported" hardware. I have now installed 24H2 on 6 tablets/2 in 1s, 2 of
which were released in 2014 with Windows 8.1. All are running fine. All are
receiving updates. All were installed as updates to Windows 10 and everything
was retained. No cost to me for "new" Windows 11 licenses or anything.
The only hardware they are missing is the TPM 2.0. Four are i5 CPUs (6th gen)
with 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSDs. The other 2 from 2014 are Dell Venue 11 Pros >>> with a Core M-5Y71 CPU, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD.
Next up is a 12 year old laptop with a 4th gen i7 (4 cores and hyperthreaded
so 8 threads) 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.
That is amazing. Both of my laptops have UEFI Secure Boot and TPM 2.0
enabled and had (as I remember) W10 installed. Both are Core I7 Gen 7,
so very modern compared to I7 Gen 4. They have 16 gb ram and 1 tb
spinning hard drives. It really pissed me off to find that Microsoft
thought the CPU was too slow to run W11. Both are running just fine,
thanks you very much.
It is a blatant scam to get people to buy new "CoPiliot" PCs, so MS can install their "AI" spyware. The new PCs are required because they have NPUs to run the "AI" spyware. If you read about their new "AI" features, they ALL involve watching everything you do, then providing "assistance" for what it thinks you want to do next.
The "Recall" feature is the worst thing you can possibly imagine. It takes screen shots every 5 seconds, to make a permanent record of everything you do.
Others watch everything you do in Edge to offer "suggestions" of where to go
next. Etc.
All of this reminds me of the Apple "Big Brother" ads from 1984. Sorry, but I don't want my PC (or microwave oven or anything else) watching everything I do. This is the very definition of spyware. This stuff was all going to be included in Windows 11 and be enabled by default. There was such a huge backlash against it that MS backed down, in what became a PR disaster for the ages.
Now it takes several manual steps to enable this crap. But I still don't trust it at all. This is the REAL reason people don't want a new PC with Windows 11.
This is all beyond creepy. That there are people at MS who think this stuff is
a Good Idea is just mind boggling.
On 7/14/2025 9:43 AM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 13, 2025 at 1:07:02 PM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:48 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:18:07 AM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
My Dell came with Windows 11. My other 2, 7 and 8 year old HP's, did >>>>> not. I have been putting off doing the free update hoping that
Microsoft
would extend full W10 support. Apparently not happening. So this
week I
finally did the W10-W11 update to both.
Took about 2 hours each, most of which was un-monitored. Both had no >>>>> issues other than it took a while to download the ISO and process the >>>>> update. Just answered a few questions, downloaded the ISO file from
Microsoft, answered a few more questions, and went about my business. >>>>> All documents and apps were retained and seem to work fine. Two more >>>>> perfectly good laptops saved from the landfill, for now.
Not that anyone here cares, but it is absurdly easy to install
Windows 11 on
"unsupported" hardware. I have now installed 24H2 on 6 tablets/2 in >>>> 1s, 2 of
which were released in 2014 with Windows 8.1. All are running
fine. All are
receiving updates. All were installed as updates to Windows 10 and
everything
was retained. No cost to me for "new" Windows 11 licenses or anything. >>>>
The only hardware they are missing is the TPM 2.0. Four are i5 CPUs
(6th gen)
with 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSDs. The other 2 from 2014 are Dell Venue
11 Pros
with a Core M-5Y71 CPU, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD.
Next up is a 12 year old laptop with a 4th gen i7 (4 cores and
hyperthreaded
so 8 threads) 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.
That is amazing. Both of my laptops have UEFI Secure Boot and TPM 2.0
enabled and had (as I remember) W10 installed. Both are Core I7 Gen 7,
so very modern compared to I7 Gen 4. They have 16 gb ram and 1 tb
spinning hard drives. It really pissed me off to find that Microsoft
thought the CPU was too slow to run W11. Both are running just fine,
thanks you very much.
It is a blatant scam to get people to buy new "CoPiliot" PCs, so MS can
install their "AI" spyware. The new PCs are required because they
have NPUs
to run the "AI" spyware. If you read about their new "AI" features,
they ALL
involve watching everything you do, then providing "assistance" for
what it
thinks you want to do next.
The "Recall" feature is the worst thing you can possibly imagine. It
takes
screen shots every 5 seconds, to make a permanent record of everything
you do.
Others watch everything you do in Edge to offer "suggestions" of
where to go
next. Etc.
All of this reminds me of the Apple "Big Brother" ads from 1984.
Sorry, but I
don't want my PC (or microwave oven or anything else) watching
everything I
do. This is the very definition of spyware. This stuff was all going
to be
included in Windows 11 and be enabled by default. There was such a huge
backlash against it that MS backed down, in what became a PR disaster
for the
ages.
Now it takes several manual steps to enable this crap. But I still don't >> trust it at all. This is the REAL reason people don't want a new PC with
Windows 11.
This is all beyond creepy. That there are people at MS who think this
stuff is
a Good Idea is just mind boggling.
Copilot is easily disabled.
On 2025-08-06 07:58, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/14/2025 9:43 AM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 13, 2025 at 1:07:02 PM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:48 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:18:07 AM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
My Dell came with Windows 11. My other 2, 7 and 8 year old HP's, did >>>>>> not. I have been putting off doing the free update hoping that
Microsoft
would extend full W10 support. Apparently not happening. So this
week I
finally did the W10-W11 update to both.
Took about 2 hours each, most of which was un-monitored. Both had no >>>>>> issues other than it took a while to download the ISO and process the >>>>>> update. Just answered a few questions, downloaded the ISO file from >>>>>> Microsoft, answered a few more questions, and went about my business. >>>>>> All documents and apps were retained and seem to work fine. Two more >>>>>> perfectly good laptops saved from the landfill, for now.
Not that anyone here cares, but it is absurdly easy to install
Windows 11 on
"unsupported" hardware. I have now installed 24H2 on 6 tablets/2
in 1s, 2 of
which were released in 2014 with Windows 8.1. All are running
fine. All are
receiving updates. All were installed as updates to Windows 10 and
everything
was retained. No cost to me for "new" Windows 11 licenses or
anything.
The only hardware they are missing is the TPM 2.0. Four are i5 CPUs >>>>> (6th gen)
with 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSDs. The other 2 from 2014 are Dell Venue
11 Pros
with a Core M-5Y71 CPU, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD.
Next up is a 12 year old laptop with a 4th gen i7 (4 cores and
hyperthreaded
so 8 threads) 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.
That is amazing. Both of my laptops have UEFI Secure Boot and TPM 2.0
enabled and had (as I remember) W10 installed. Both are Core I7 Gen 7, >>>> so very modern compared to I7 Gen 4. They have 16 gb ram and 1 tb
spinning hard drives. It really pissed me off to find that Microsoft
thought the CPU was too slow to run W11. Both are running just fine,
thanks you very much.
It is a blatant scam to get people to buy new "CoPiliot" PCs, so MS can
install their "AI" spyware. The new PCs are required because they
have NPUs
to run the "AI" spyware. If you read about their new "AI" features,
they ALL
involve watching everything you do, then providing "assistance" for
what it
thinks you want to do next.
The "Recall" feature is the worst thing you can possibly imagine. It
takes
screen shots every 5 seconds, to make a permanent record of
everything you do.
Others watch everything you do in Edge to offer "suggestions" of
where to go
next. Etc.
All of this reminds me of the Apple "Big Brother" ads from 1984.
Sorry, but I
don't want my PC (or microwave oven or anything else) watching
everything I
do. This is the very definition of spyware. This stuff was all going
to be
included in Windows 11 and be enabled by default. There was such a huge
backlash against it that MS backed down, in what became a PR disaster
for the
ages.
Now it takes several manual steps to enable this crap. But I still
don't
trust it at all. This is the REAL reason people don't want a new PC with >>> Windows 11.
This is all beyond creepy. That there are people at MS who think this
stuff is
a Good Idea is just mind boggling.
Copilot is easily disabled.
You assume... ...as usual.
On 8/6/2025 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-06 07:58, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/14/2025 9:43 AM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 13, 2025 at 1:07:02 PM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:48 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:18:07 AM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
My Dell came with Windows 11. My other 2, 7 and 8 year old HP's, did >>>>>>> not. I have been putting off doing the free update hoping that
Microsoft
would extend full W10 support. Apparently not happening. So this >>>>>>> week I
finally did the W10-W11 update to both.
Took about 2 hours each, most of which was un-monitored. Both had no >>>>>>> issues other than it took a while to download the ISO and process >>>>>>> the
update. Just answered a few questions, downloaded the ISO file from >>>>>>> Microsoft, answered a few more questions, and went about my
business.
All documents and apps were retained and seem to work fine. Two more >>>>>>> perfectly good laptops saved from the landfill, for now.
Not that anyone here cares, but it is absurdly easy to install
Windows 11 on
"unsupported" hardware. I have now installed 24H2 on 6 tablets/2 >>>>>> in 1s, 2 of
which were released in 2014 with Windows 8.1. All are running
fine. All are
receiving updates. All were installed as updates to Windows 10 and >>>>>> everything
was retained. No cost to me for "new" Windows 11 licenses or
anything.
The only hardware they are missing is the TPM 2.0. Four are i5
CPUs (6th gen)
with 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSDs. The other 2 from 2014 are Dell Venue >>>>>> 11 Pros
with a Core M-5Y71 CPU, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD.
Next up is a 12 year old laptop with a 4th gen i7 (4 cores and
hyperthreaded
so 8 threads) 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.
That is amazing. Both of my laptops have UEFI Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 >>>>> enabled and had (as I remember) W10 installed. Both are Core I7 Gen 7, >>>>> so very modern compared to I7 Gen 4. They have 16 gb ram and 1 tb
spinning hard drives. It really pissed me off to find that Microsoft >>>>> thought the CPU was too slow to run W11. Both are running just fine, >>>>> thanks you very much.
It is a blatant scam to get people to buy new "CoPiliot" PCs, so MS can >>>> install their "AI" spyware. The new PCs are required because they
have NPUs
to run the "AI" spyware. If you read about their new "AI" features, >>>> they ALL
involve watching everything you do, then providing "assistance" for
what it
thinks you want to do next.
The "Recall" feature is the worst thing you can possibly imagine. It
takes
screen shots every 5 seconds, to make a permanent record of
everything you do.
Others watch everything you do in Edge to offer "suggestions" of
where to go
next. Etc.
All of this reminds me of the Apple "Big Brother" ads from 1984.
Sorry, but I
don't want my PC (or microwave oven or anything else) watching
everything I
do. This is the very definition of spyware. This stuff was all going
to be
included in Windows 11 and be enabled by default. There was such a huge >>>> backlash against it that MS backed down, in what became a PR
disaster for the
ages.
Now it takes several manual steps to enable this crap. But I still
don't
trust it at all. This is the REAL reason people don't want a new PC
with
Windows 11.
This is all beyond creepy. That there are people at MS who think
this stuff is
a Good Idea is just mind boggling.
Copilot is easily disabled.
You assume... ...as usual.
No, I did some research.
On 8/6/2025 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-06 07:58, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/14/2025 9:43 AM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 13, 2025 at 1:07:02 PM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:48 PM, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:18:07 AM EDT, "Tom Elam"
<thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
My Dell came with Windows 11. My other 2, 7 and 8 year old HP's, did >>>>>>> not. I have been putting off doing the free update hoping that
Microsoft
would extend full W10 support. Apparently not happening. So this >>>>>>> week I
finally did the W10-W11 update to both.
Took about 2 hours each, most of which was un-monitored. Both had no >>>>>>> issues other than it took a while to download the ISO and process >>>>>>> the
update. Just answered a few questions, downloaded the ISO file from >>>>>>> Microsoft, answered a few more questions, and went about my
business.
All documents and apps were retained and seem to work fine. Two more >>>>>>> perfectly good laptops saved from the landfill, for now.
Not that anyone here cares, but it is absurdly easy to install
Windows 11 on
"unsupported" hardware. I have now installed 24H2 on 6 tablets/2 >>>>>> in 1s, 2 of
which were released in 2014 with Windows 8.1. All are running
fine. All are
receiving updates. All were installed as updates to Windows 10 and >>>>>> everything
was retained. No cost to me for "new" Windows 11 licenses or
anything.
The only hardware they are missing is the TPM 2.0. Four are i5
CPUs (6th gen)
with 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSDs. The other 2 from 2014 are Dell Venue >>>>>> 11 Pros
with a Core M-5Y71 CPU, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD.
Next up is a 12 year old laptop with a 4th gen i7 (4 cores and
hyperthreaded
so 8 threads) 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.
That is amazing. Both of my laptops have UEFI Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 >>>>> enabled and had (as I remember) W10 installed. Both are Core I7 Gen 7, >>>>> so very modern compared to I7 Gen 4. They have 16 gb ram and 1 tb
spinning hard drives. It really pissed me off to find that Microsoft >>>>> thought the CPU was too slow to run W11. Both are running just fine, >>>>> thanks you very much.
It is a blatant scam to get people to buy new "CoPiliot" PCs, so MS can >>>> install their "AI" spyware. The new PCs are required because they
have NPUs
to run the "AI" spyware. If you read about their new "AI" features, >>>> they ALL
involve watching everything you do, then providing "assistance" for
what it
thinks you want to do next.
The "Recall" feature is the worst thing you can possibly imagine. It
takes
screen shots every 5 seconds, to make a permanent record of
everything you do.
Others watch everything you do in Edge to offer "suggestions" of
where to go
next. Etc.
All of this reminds me of the Apple "Big Brother" ads from 1984.
Sorry, but I
don't want my PC (or microwave oven or anything else) watching
everything I
do. This is the very definition of spyware. This stuff was all going
to be
included in Windows 11 and be enabled by default. There was such a huge >>>> backlash against it that MS backed down, in what became a PR
disaster for the
ages.
Now it takes several manual steps to enable this crap. But I still
don't
trust it at all. This is the REAL reason people don't want a new PC
with
Windows 11.
This is all beyond creepy. That there are people at MS who think
this stuff is
a Good Idea is just mind boggling.
Copilot is easily disabled.
You assume... ...as usual.
No, I did some research.
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