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On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:10:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

Never think I'm anything like you

No risk of that.

Heh heh heh... I love humor on Usenet.

The astoundingly huge delta between Apple trolls and me is mainly...
a. I'm well educated (none of the Apple trolls can earn even a degree)
b. I'm not a herd animal (all of the Apple trolls are religious zealots)
c. I *test* every Apple claim (all Apple trolls trust Apple implicitly)

I'm not afraid of facts.

The main fact I'm trying desperately to get adults to comprehend is there's (almost) no functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android because once they understand that fact, then we can begin to explore Apple's strategy.

You conflate a trademarked product name with the underlying feature or capability, especially when Apple's branding dominates public awareness.
a. Kleenex is a brand;
b. Facial tissue is the functionality;
c. People say "Kleenex" when they mean any tissue, regardless of brand.

This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

I'd LOVE to learn if there's something else.

That's an utter lie. It took you almost a week to accept the SMB functionality and only succumbed when several ppl showed proof. Your MO is deny, deflect, attack. Which you're doing again here.

Stop hiding.

A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

You actually believe the lies you just spewed. Yes. They're lies.
You believe your own self-concocted lies because they fit your bias.

Trust me when I say I don't believe a word the Apple trolls say.
I need to repeat that for effect, Chris.

If Jolly Roger or Alan Baker tell me that iOS can do something, I don't believe them until I test it myself - which takes both time & effort.

Hell... do you really want me to delve into how the Apple trolls claimed
over and over again that iOS could graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time?
*Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi dBm over time*
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo>
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

The only person I trusted was Tyrone who actually used Windows 11.
I didn't believe a single other person, Chris.

The Apple trolls could have "said" it for months, Chris.
And it would have zero impact on me until I tested it myself.

Which I did.
And only after I tested it myself, did I believe Tyrone.

And, let's be clear, unlike Apple trolls whose ego is fragile because
they've been told they're stupid their entire lives, I can admit when
I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.
Your entire belief system is based on your own lies, Chris.

I repeat for effect:
1. I thought no app could use privileged ports
2. The Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
3. I didn't take them seriously until Tyrone posted
4. Even then, I tested it myself to make sure for myself
5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him

Yet you morally decrepit deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe
that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "hiding"??????
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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:10:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

I'd LOVE to learn if there's something else.

That's an utter lie. It took you almost a week to accept the SMB
functionality and only succumbed when several ppl showed proof. Your MO is >> deny, deflect, attack. Which you're doing again here.

Stop hiding.

A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

Projection.

You intentionally misconstrue things or pretend to misunderstand.

I can admit when
I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

Another lie. Only last week (or the week before) you regurgitated your
dogma that iOS does nothing that Android can. I and someone else had to
remind you of the truth which you yourself tested.

That's what prompted your thread where you refused to even *think* for yourself.

So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.

Projection.

You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

I addressed EVERY one of your issues in detail in the thread on the topic.

From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't do?
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 05:39:42 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <107jsqu$2mb0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

Projection.
You intentionally misconstrue things or pretend to misunderstand.

You call this hiding!
1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

Yet you morally decrepit deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe
that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "hiding"??????

I can admit when
I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

Another lie. Only last week (or the week before) you regurgitated your
dogma that iOS does nothing that Android can. I and someone else had to remind you of the truth which you yourself tested.

That's what prompted your thread where you refused to even *think* for yourself.

The fact remains I'm so not afraid of the facts that I posted this, Chris:
To read the article, simply paste the message-id into this lookup engine:
<https://al.howardknight.net/>

Here... I'll do all the work for you, Chris:
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C107jsqu%242mb0%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>

So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.

Projection.
You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.

You call this "not accepting the facts"????????
1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

Yet you deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe that adult
discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "not accepting the facts"?????
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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

The fact remains I'm so not afraid of the facts

Yet you regularly omit them when making your claims. Plus, you are
regularly incapable of evidencing your so-called "facts".

Projection.
You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.

You call this "not accepting the facts"????????
1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

6. within weeks I omit the fact when making claims about what iOS can't do.

Yet you deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "not accepting the facts"?????

See step 6.



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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

I addressed EVERY one of your issues in detail in the thread on the topic.

OK. Let's see:

He will of course deny they are useful, claim they have a direct equivalent >> in android and will change the definition multiple times.

So here's the list in no particular order.

FaceID
Universal Clipboard
Backtap
Geofencing and shortcuts in general
Homekit integration
Centre stage
Find My - google's is nowhere near as useful being too new
Family account settings (great for managing subs for kids)
visual voicemail
Facetime hand gestures
scan to pdf (and annotate)

Bonus one for ipadOS: Sidecar

Personally, I use most, but not all of the above and would miss them if I
didn't have them.

All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps.

Then it's not an Android functionality is it?

The distinction lies
in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
--------------------------------------------------------
FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)

I accept the Pixel 9 has depth perception. Samsung is still 2D only so insecure.

Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard

Requires a third party account and so allowing a third party to see
everything you type and copy is deeply unsatisfactory.

Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
(Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)

Good to see Pixel catching up. However, third party apps elsewhere aren't
going to work well.

Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines

This party tools and you've already shown that geofencing doesn't work.

HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant

Are they integrated into the OS or simply an app?

Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing

App specific. Centre stage works with all apps not just Apple ones. It is
core to iOS.

Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo

Nothing matches Find My for utility and ubiquity. Pebblebee and Chipolo in
fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.

Family Account Settings Google Family Link
Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
YouMail, HulloMail

Application specific. Doesn't work with traditional carriers.

FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
reactions

Limited to app capability. Hand gestures are global in iOS/macOS.

Claiming that instagram and snapchat are equivalent is funny.

Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan,
OEM camera doc scan

All third party and from experience usually require an online service.

Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
Second Screen (Windows pairing)

Third party.

So it seems that third parties attempt to fix many Android weaknesses while introducing others when compared to the core functionality of iOS with no
third party deficiencies.

Also good to see some of the Pixel hardware catching up, however the
battery performance doesn't win any prizes. Maybe the 10 will improve on
that?
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:30:44 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether
natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps.

Then it's not an Android functionality is it?

Heh heh heh...

You're desperate to prove me correct that there is only one thing on all of
iOS that isn't on Android, and that's the use of the privileged port 445.

The question is and was always what you can do on each platform without
rooting it. That was the only stricture. Most people don't root/jailbreak.

But other than rooting, everything else was fair game.

If you want to play the game of what's native, that's fine; but that's a completely different question given the ecosystems are very different.

The distinction lies
in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
--------------------------------------------------------
FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)

I accept the Pixel 9 has depth perception.
Samsung is still 2D only so insecure.

Heh heh heh...

If it's on any Android, it counts, just like if it's on any iPhone, it
counts. Same rules for both platforms should be equally applied to all.

It would take forever if we judged whose was better since most things on Android are far more functional & most on iOS are far easier to use.

You don't seem to comprehend that they're two different ecosystems.

Although we all would likely agree that there are major players, where, surprisingly, Google doesn't rank in the top 5 around the world (but Google
is number 4 in the USA by units sold - so it's complicated as you know).

Worldwide Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo & Vivo are the top four, although in the
USA the ranking is Apple, Samsung, Motorola & Google as the top four.

So I'd initially focus on that set of Android phones to compare iPhones to.

Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard

Requires a third party account and so allowing a third party to see everything you type and copy is deeply unsatisfactory.

Heh heh heh ...

Might I remind you that almost everything on iOS requires that account.

If you want to play the game of what doesn't require an account, that's
fine; but that's a completely different question given everything on iOS requires an account (which has been proven many times in other threads).

Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
(Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)

Good to see Pixel catching up.
However, third party apps elsewhere aren't going to work well.

Heh heh heh...

The whole point of Android is for 3rd-party apps to supplement the system. You're gerrymandering what was a very simple set of rules to compare with.

The only constraint was jailbreaking/rooting was forbidden because most
people don't do that - but everything else is fair game in this thread.

Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines

This party tools and you've already shown that geofencing doesn't work.

Geofencing works fine. What I show is only what can be done for free
and without accounts and without ads - but that's my personal restriction.

You really don't want to apply that rule to the iPhone, Chris, as if you
remove just the fact that the account is needed, nothing will work on iOS.

HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant

Are they integrated into the OS or simply an app?

It doesn't matter because the functionality is there, Chris.
You're focusing only on Apple's implementation of the functionality.

Google Home integrates with Android OS features like voice assistant and routines but it's an app, while Samsung SmartThings has OS hooks as it
comes preloaded with Samsung devices, and Home Assistant is a bit different from both of those - but the point is that the functionality exists.

This thread would never end if it was just which apps we like best.

Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing

App specific. Centre stage works with all apps not just Apple ones. It is core to iOS.

While Apple's Center Stage is integrated into iOS and works system-wide, Android offers auto framing too, just through a different architecture.

Everything you say is proving my point for me, Chris.
And that's good.

Because it means you'll soon be ready to learn why.

Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo

Nothing matches Find My for utility and ubiquity.

It isn't about which one you like best, Chris, and it never was about that.

While Apple's Find My is tightly integrated and benefits from ubiquity
across Apple devices, Google's Find My Device offers equivalent
functionality for Android users.

Both locate phones, tablets, etc.
Both have bluetooth tracker support.
Both use a crowdsourced location network.
Both have a map view + sound alerts.
Both have offline tracking.
etc.

The fact you're picking things that you know are on Android means you're desperate to find something - but that's good as it proves my point.

Pebblebee and Chipolo in
fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.

That used to be true, but now both Pebblebee and Chipolo support Google's
Find My Device network natively. So Android users get the same tracking functionality ¡X just through a different ecosystem.

Everything you claim simply nails my point home, Chris.
Soon you may be ready to learn why.

Family Account Settings Google Family Link
Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
YouMail, HulloMail

Application specific. Doesn't work with traditional carriers.

While Apple has tighter OS-level integration, Google Family Link offers equivalent core parental controls for Android users. It even adds unique features like instant device locking and app approval revocation.

Both platforms have visual voicemail inboxes, voicemail transcription and carrier support while Android has extensive third-party app support but
this isn't about which one is better. While iOS integrates it into the
Phone app, Android matches the functionality and even adds transcription
and cloud sync via apps like YouMail and Google Voice.

But this isn't about which is better.
It's about what major functionality does iOS have that Android doesn't.

So far nobody has found anything other than the use of port 445 on iOS that isn't already on Android. Once you figure out that is the answer, then, and only then, will you be ready to learn why.

FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
reactions

Limited to app capability. Hand gestures are global in iOS/macOS.

We all know Apple's gestures are baked into the OS, but Android users still
get expressive reactions and filters in apps like Meet, Zoom, and Snapchat.
The experience is app-driven, but the functionality of visual reactions triggered during video calls is absolutely there on Android.

Notice how you end up proving my point, which I knew would happen, Chris.
I'm trying to teach you something you are resistant to learning, Chris.

Claiming that instagram and snapchat are equivalent is funny.

It's not about being one-to-one identical, Chris. It's about functional
parity. Snapchat and Instagram offer real-time AR effects, reactions, and filters that are often far more dynamic than Apple's preset gestures.

For users who care about visual expression, Android has it also.

Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan, >> OEM camera doc scan

All third party and from experience usually require an online service.

Most Android scanning apps work offline, including Adobe Scan and OEM
camera apps. The fact that they're third-party doesn't limit functionality.

In fact, those Android tools are far more powerful tools than Apple's
built-in options, as they have bulk OCR and advanced annotation.

Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
Second Screen (Windows pairing)

Third party.

Third party doesn't mean less capable. Android Duet Display and Spacedesk
have flexibility and support for Windows with full touchscreen interaction.

These are key things your beloved Sidecar doesn't even support.
You hate that Android functionality is there, and often more powerful.

Sidecar is great if you're locked into Apple's ecosystem. But Android users
get the same second-screen experience - and more - through apps that work across platforms and offer wired + wireless options.

It's not about which one you like, Chris.

It's about the fact there is nothing but a single port that iOS can do that Android doesn't already do - and once you realize that - only then can you begin to understand Apple's strategy.

So it seems that third parties attempt to fix many Android weaknesses while introducing others when compared to the core functionality of iOS with no third party deficiencies.

I wonder if you realize you've proved my point in spades for me, Chris?

The goal was to compare whether iOS offers any functionality that Android
lacks - not whether it's built-in or third-party. And across the board,
Android delivers the same core features, usually with more flexibility and customization. Whether it's auto framing, Find My, visual voicemail, or
second screen support, Android users have access to all of it - no rooting,
no jailbreaking - but anything else was always said to be acceptable.

If you remove the need for accounts, almost everything on iOS breaks, as
you can't even load an app or run your beloved Apple native tools, Chris.

Also good to see some of the Pixel hardware catching up, however the
battery performance doesn't win any prizes. Maybe the 10 will improve on that?

This is a separate topic, where T-Mobile is offering me a free Pixel 10 so
I just might look into it, although I hate phones missing key hardware.

But looking only at the battery, the Pixel 10 Pro XL is 5,200 mAh, but
that's only 200mAh more than my free 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phone.

Back to the main topic, if your only critique left is that Android uses third-party apps to achieve the same functionality, then that means there
is nothing on iOS that isn't already on Android - which means you're ready
to start to begin to understand why this is the case.

Remember, the whole point was that I knew the answer but you do not.
I'm trying to teach you why, but first you have to understand iOS.

You need to try harder to find a key functionality on iOS that isn't on Android, as you are resistant to learning what Apple's strategy really is.
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