On 2025-11-24 13:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Nope. I never said any such thing.
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to
forcibly resist arrest
racism has left many more black people poor...
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
I was addressing the statement that:
"[it] might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and
to forcibly resist arrest"
Do you know what "straw man argument" is?
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/22/25 20:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they should be
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
able to use them.
If they are not, or gaming the system, then they should not be entitled. >>>>
It's that simple.
What's also "simple" is that when one keeps on adding additional
requirements and tests to be "truly entitled", a smaller & smaller
percenage of those who are truly entitled are able to successfully make
it through the gauntlet.
Case in point, if you have to merely provide proof of your age on a
daily basis, any day that you forget to submit ... you're cut off.
-hh
It's called responsibility.
The gainfully employed in certain fields
know that they can be subjected to a random drug test.
It's up to the employee to pass the test.
Run a small business?
You had better file the proper tax forms, ie:quarterly taxes.
And so forth.
As for the government changing the rules, cheaters are quite inventive
and come up with new grifting scams all the time.
The government needs to address this.
See Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
I'm truly shocked!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-(
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 09:44:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:At least that was honest.
On 2025-11-24 13:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Nope. I never said any such thing.
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
I was addressing the statement that:
"[it] might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and
to forcibly resist arrest"
Do you know what "straw man argument" is?
My mistake. You said it caused it, not that it justifies it.
On 2025-11-21, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-21 11:00, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 12:55:34 -0500, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/21/25 12:45 PM, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 12:31:27 -0500, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/21/25 11:13 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2025 20:17:53 -0500, "Joel W. Crump"
wrote:
On 11/19/25 8:00 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2025 13:00:06 -0800, Alan wrote:
SNAP isn't a subsidy for the poor:
It's a subsidy that allows corporations to pay
employees less than a living wage.
SNAP is corporate welfare. What does it say about
free market capitalism that it's workers live in
poverty?
It is ridiculous that wages would be so low, that
working people would qualify for SNAP. It tells us a
lot about what our society values.
Low prices.
Those who could pay more don't want to, and those who
can't are left to think they're getting real value out of
the cheap prices, when in fact it's screwing them over by
perpetuating their poverty. Basic income would set the
minimum standard differently, prices would be higher, but
there'd be stability that is so elusive, in the ultra-
competitive economy.
Turning citizens into parasites is not a good solution.
In the modern economy, we have a responsibility to provide for
those on the low end. We're failing that, we have
homelessness, working poor, even people with disabilities not
receiving help, it needs to be addressed comprehensively.
I feel no responsibility to take of the parasite dregs. The ones
who made their miserable bed can die in it.
Children born into poverty deserve to die?
Like JD. Vance? Oprah Winfrey? Demi Moore? Jay-Z? Elvis? Jennifer
Lopez? Nikki Minaj? Novak Djokovic? Arnold Schwarzenegger?
etc. I could go on for pages.
Nobody deserves to die. Poor, rich or otherwise. You work hard,
learn a work ethic, claw and grasp doing whatever job is needed to
allow you to pursue your dream.
That is how successful people born poor better themselves.
Alan wrote:
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system,
then they should not be entitled.
It's that simple.
On 2025-11-24 16:08, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
So what's your answer?
Let the market work.
The market ISN'T working...
Wrong.
Prove it.
...except for the billionaires.
We are going to pretend that only billionaires have a luxurious life
in the US, are we?
Not what I said.
Try again.
I'm no billionaire and the market is working great for me. Of course,
I began investing when I was in my tewnties.
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
This whole thread is about how that is supposedly "grifting the system"...
...or hadn't you noticed?
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Governor Swill wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our
health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better.
Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government
health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
It's good that we're moving back to competing.
The U.S. will never again be competitive in manufacturing.
Alan wrote:
On 2025-11-24 16:08, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
So what's your answer?
Let the market work.
The market ISN'T working...
Wrong.
Prove it.
Look around you.
...except for the billionaires.
We are going to pretend that only billionaires have a luxurious life
in the US, are we?
Not what I said.
Yeah, you did, actually.
On 2025-11-23, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/22/25 20:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they should be
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
able to use them.
If they are not, or gaming the system, then they should not be entitled. >>>
It's that simple.
What's also "simple" is that when one keeps on adding additional
requirements and tests to be "truly entitled", a smaller & smaller
percenage of those who are truly entitled are able to successfully make
it through the gauntlet.
Case in point, if you have to merely provide proof of your age on a
daily basis, any day that you forget to submit ... you're cut off.
-hh
It's called responsibility.
The gainfully employed in certain fields
know that they can be subjected to a random drug test.
It's up to the employee to pass the test.
Run a small business?
You had better file the proper tax forms, ie:quarterly taxes.
And so forth.
As for the government changing the rules, cheaters are quite inventive
and come up with new grifting scams all the time.
The government needs to address this.
See Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:17:51 -0500, Governor SwillOnly for incomplete thinkers will assume that.
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:04:35 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-treasury-czar-torched-absurd-212250603.html>
Trump’s Treasury Goon Torched for Absurd Inflation Solution
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is being mocked for giving
head-scratching advice to cash-strapped Americans struggling
with inflation.
Bessent shared his extreme hack for avoiding the worst of
inflation during an appearance on Meet the Press on Sunday,
where he also passionately argued that inflation hadn’t risen.
The multimillionaire told host Kristen Welker: “I can tell you
that the Council of Economic Advisers have studied. You know
the best way to bring your inflation rate down? Move from a
blue state to a red state.”
One commentor:
“Great message. Tired of high grocery prices? Sell your home,
find a new job, buy a new home, move somewhere else, start
life over. Magic! Now your grocery bill is $10 less,” one
person wrote.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-each-u-s-states-population-has-changed-since-2020/
ROTFL!
Got news for you. Moving to a red state might lower your taxes but it
WON'T necessarily lower your grocery bill.
But it might lower your gasoline expenses.
On Nov 25, 2025 at 5:51:57 AM MST, "pothead" wrote <10g48pd$3d172$2@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-24, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 21:41:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-22, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/21/25 19:09, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 18:56:15 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 19:48:56 -0500, Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 18:16:08 -0500, -hh wrote:
<snip>On 11/20/25 17:12, Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
https://nypost.com/2024/06/06/business/california-fast-food-restaurants-have-cut-10000-jobs-since-passing-20-minimum-wage-business-agency/Assuming that the business trade group's claim of -10,000 jobs is truthful..
Q1: out of how many total jobs?
Q2: what's their normal churn (turnover) rate of employees? >>>>>>>>> Because if its out of 750K, that's just a shade over 1%, which is well
below normal turnover rates even in the best of job categories. >>>>>>>>> Case in point, to illustrate the math: if one has a "hire forever" and
workers average 50 years of employment, that's 1/50 = 2%/year. >>>>>>>>> Context matters.
Looking away won't make the issue go away...
What issue? Restaurant turnover?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Lots of people are leaving blue cities and blue states.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-each-u-s-states-population-has-changed-since-2020/
Oh, look: an attempt to change the subject.
Obviously, this means that CAF knows that they .."won" /s
-hh
Ask yourself WHY they are leaving blue cities?
First, ask yourself is it true.
I don't have to ask myself that question because plenty of people much smarter
than I have
already answered it for me.
<https://www.movebuddha.com/blog/moving-trends/>
<https://www.pods.com/blog/moving-trends>
Just a snippet. It's a good article.
*20 Cities With the Highest Number of Move-Outs Ranked*
Los Angeles, CA (1st in 2024)
Northern California (San Francisco area) (2nd in 2024)
South Florida (Miami area) (3rd in 2024)
Long Island, NY (Serving parts of NYC) (4th in 2024)
San Diego, CA (8th in 2024)
Central Jersey, NJ (6th in 2024)
Chicago, IL (7th in 2024)
Boston, MA (13th in 2024)
Hudson Valley, NY (10th in 2024)
Denver, CO (12th in 2024)
Santa Barbara, CA (11th in 2024)
Seattle, WA (Not ranked in 2024)
Stockton-Modesto, CA (9th in 2024)
Washington, DC (Not ranked in 2024)
Hartford, CT (15th in 2024)
Tampa Bay, FL (Not ranked in 2024)
Fresno, CA (17th in 2024)
Austin, TX (5th in 2024)
Bakersfield, CA (18th in 2024)
Philadelphia, PA (Not ranked in 2024)
The only logical conclusion you can reach is cost overruns, crime, quality >>>> of life and so forth.
<https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article312903690.html>
Not the only one. More important is taxes and cost of living. The
expansion of work from home means you don't need to live in Bigtown,
USA to take advantage of Bigtown's job market.
That's true.
But quality of life is a factor as well.
And what are the reasons for such high taxes?
Government waste on boondoggle programs is one.
Status is much less of a reason to overpay than in the past.
that "Wall Street" address for a financial company or that
212 area code on a phone number no longer carries the snob factor
anymore.
And then there is living in a place that is #1 or 2 on the terrorist hit list
and $4k / month for a roach infested walk up no longer looks ideal.
Here are some demographics and since the general gist of this topic is lower
income earners
judge for yourself.
<https://www.ppic.org/blog/whos-leaving-california-and-whos-moving-in/> >>>>
So of course high income earners, VERY HIGH INCOME EARNERS, are staying or >>>> moving to California.
That makes sense in general.
1. they have enough $$$ to survive there.
2. CA is a beautiful state with excellent climate, education and so forth. >>>>
What's not to like?
The cost.
And in the cities the crime.
And in a few years after complete Republican control and the problems
still exist? What will Republicans blame inevitable change on then?
At that point if things haven't improved, the republicans own it and it's
time to try something new.
No matter what you think the future holds, it won't be that.
I've listened to both sides predict the imminent demise of the large
US city for over five decades. They're still all here and most of
them are getting bigger.
They will get bigger if they eliminate bloat, waste, sanctuary city status and
supporting people who have no intention of ever holding a job.
They will continue to fail if they keep pushing restrictive regulations,
especially
green energy, dumb down education to accommodate those who are unable to handle
the academics.
And they will sink faster than the Titanic if they adopt socialist policies >> like
eliminating prisons, government owned grocery stores, defunding the police and
so forth.
Keep your eye on NYC because it is now become a bellwether for
socialism/Communism.
Oh and BTw, Trump played Mandami like a cheap violin.
Not having a fire breathing Zelenski part 2 was brilliant.
My theory is he is being nice and letting Mandami sink himself.
Trump cannot lose this one.
If somehow Mandami manages to rebuild NYC, Trump can sit there and smile
while remembering how he did agree with some of Mandami's ideas.
If Mandami craters, Trump can politely claim, well I said I agreed with some >> policies and disagreed with others.
Brilliant.
You made up a lot of things -- as you do.
The idea that cities fail because of
immigrants, sanctuary policies, or people who supposedly don't want to work isn't supported by evidence --
The attack on green energy ignores that clean-energy industries are among the strongest growth sectors. And the bit about education being "dumbed down" so it can accommodate people "unable to handle the academics" echoes the old hierarchy-based thinking that certain groups inherently drag society down -- another theme common in white-supremacist rhetoric.
The laundry list of supposed "socialist" policies -- abolishing prisons, state-run grocery stores, police abolition -- isn't real policy. NYC hasn't become a communist test case. New York dealing with the same mix of housing, migration, and budget pressures all major cities face.
The Trump/Madams stuff reads like political fantasy. Cities rise or fall based
on policy and management, not on whether a former president is playing chess in the background.
In short, you do as you do -- rely on stereotypes, imaginary scenarios, and a few talking points that overlap with long-standing white-supremacist narratives about who deserves resources and who ruins society.
On Nov 25, 2025 at 10:35:38 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <mom7nbF7vklU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/22/25 20:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they should be
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage? >>>>>>>>They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
able to use them.
If they are not, or gaming the system, then they should not be entitled. >>>>>
It's that simple.
What's also "simple" is that when one keeps on adding additional
requirements and tests to be "truly entitled", a smaller & smaller
percenage of those who are truly entitled are able to successfully make >>>> it through the gauntlet.
Case in point, if you have to merely provide proof of your age on a
daily basis, any day that you forget to submit ... you're cut off.
-hh
It's called responsibility.
The gainfully employed in certain fields
know that they can be subjected to a random drug test.
It's up to the employee to pass the test.
Run a small business?
You had better file the proper tax forms, ie:quarterly taxes.
And so forth.
As for the government changing the rules, cheaters are quite inventive
and come up with new grifting scams all the time.
The government needs to address this.
See Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
I'm truly shocked!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-(
The article spotlights a very real crisis – the massive welfare fraud in Minnesota that’s backed by public records, federal indictments, and substantial taxpayer losses. But it takes that legitimate problem and uses it as a launchpad for a much bigger, politically loaded claim: that the stolen funds are helping bankroll Islamic terror.
It functions more like an advocacy piece, blending a verified crime (the fraud) with a serious but publicly unproven accusation (an Al-Shabaab connection), while pinning the blame on bureaucracy and progressive politics. And honestly, it’s not surprising that someone with white-supremacist leanings
would latch onto unproven accusations like that – rumor tends to become “fact”
the moment it supports their worldview.
When looking at the piece, it’s important to separate what’s actually documented from what’s alleged but not established.
On 25/11/2025 19:32, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 10:35:38 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<mom7nbF7vklU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/22/25 20:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they should be
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage? >>>>>>>>>They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you >>>>>>> unreasonable dipshit.
able to use them.
If they are not, or gaming the system, then they should not be entitled. >>>>>>
It's that simple.
What's also "simple" is that when one keeps on adding additional
requirements and tests to be "truly entitled", a smaller & smaller
percenage of those who are truly entitled are able to successfully make >>>>> it through the gauntlet.
Case in point, if you have to merely provide proof of your age on a
daily basis, any day that you forget to submit ... you're cut off.
-hh
It's called responsibility.
The gainfully employed in certain fields
know that they can be subjected to a random drug test.
It's up to the employee to pass the test.
Run a small business?
You had better file the proper tax forms, ie:quarterly taxes.
And so forth.
As for the government changing the rules, cheaters are quite inventive >>>> and come up with new grifting scams all the time.
The government needs to address this.
See Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
I'm truly shocked!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-(
The article spotlights a very real crisis – the massive welfare fraud in >> Minnesota that’s backed by public records, federal indictments, and
substantial taxpayer losses. But it takes that legitimate problem and uses it
as a launchpad for a much bigger, politically loaded claim: that the stolen >> funds are helping bankroll Islamic terror.
It functions more like an advocacy piece, blending a verified crime (the
fraud) with a serious but publicly unproven accusation (an Al-Shabaab
connection), while pinning the blame on bureaucracy and progressive politics.
And honestly, it’s not surprising that someone with white-supremacist leanings
would latch onto unproven accusations like that – rumor tends to become “fact”
the moment it supports their worldview.
When looking at the piece, it’s important to separate what’s actually
documented from what’s alleged but not established.
How will you feel when it *IS* established?
On 25 Nov 2025 14:12:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
They will get bigger if they eliminate bloat, waste, sanctuary city status and
supporting people who have no intention of ever holding a job.
They will continue to fail if they keep pushing restrictive regulations, >>> especially
green energy, dumb down education to accommodate those who are unable to handle
the academics.
And they will sink faster than the Titanic if they adopt socialist policies >>> like
eliminating prisons, government owned grocery stores, defunding the police and
so forth.
Keep your eye on NYC because it is now become a bellwether for
socialism/Communism.
Oh and BTw, Trump played Mandami like a cheap violin.
Not having a fire breathing Zelenski part 2 was brilliant.
My theory is he is being nice and letting Mandami sink himself.
Trump cannot lose this one.
If somehow Mandami manages to rebuild NYC, Trump can sit there and smile >>> while remembering how he did agree with some of Mandami's ideas.
If Mandami craters, Trump can politely claim, well I said I agreed with some
policies and disagreed with others.
Brilliant.
You made up a lot of things -- as you do.
He posted links Brock.
The idea that cities fail because of
immigrants, sanctuary policies, or people who supposedly don't want to work >> isn't supported by evidence --
He didn't say that either.
The attack on green energy ignores that clean-energy industries are among the
strongest growth sectors. And the bit about education being "dumbed down" so >> it can accommodate people "unable to handle the academics" echoes the old
hierarchy-based thinking that certain groups inherently drag society down -- >> another theme common in white-supremacist rhetoric.
There has been a concerted effort to eliminate schools for gifted
students because they are some how racist.
You need to get your facts in order Brock. <https://www.google.com/search?q=nyc+eliminate+specialized+schools&rlz=1C1PRUI_enUS897US898&oq=nyc+eliminate+specialized+schools&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigATIHCAYQIRifBTIHCAcQIRifBTIHCAgQIRifBTIHCAkQIRifBdIBCjExNzM0ajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBTwfJLgtOxQt&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
As of today it hasn't happened due to outrage, but that isn't stopping
the democrats from trying.
Just the concept is enough.
The laundry list of supposed "socialist" policies -- abolishing prisons,
state-run grocery stores, police abolition -- isn't real policy. NYC hasn't >> become a communist test case. New York dealing with the same mix of housing, >> migration, and budget pressures all major cities face.
How well did cutting police budgets and hamstringing their authority
work last time?
<https://www.facebook.com/PatrickBetDavid.Valuetainment/videos/resurfaced-video-shows-mamdani-questioning-need-for-prisons/1482631382815631/>
The Trump/Madams stuff reads like political fantasy. Cities rise or fall based
on policy and management, not on whether a former president is playing chess >> in the background.
Pabulum from your mouth.
In short, you do as you do -- rely on stereotypes, imaginary scenarios, and a
few talking points that overlap with long-standing white-supremacist
narratives about who deserves resources and who ruins society.
The classic blow whistle of the democrats.
We say it isn't happening so you must believe us.
Look around.
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it >should be used for self reflection.
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior. >>>
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it >> should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior. >>>>
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about >things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do >have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to >learn from it and be open about it.
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior. >>>>>
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about >> things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do >> have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to >> learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
chrisv wrote:
Idiot
(snipped, unread)
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
I'm no billionaire and the market is working great for me. Of course,
I began investing when I was in my tewnties.
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Idiot
(snipped, unread)
(snipped, unread)
chrisv wrote:
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which makes
it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to prevent such
regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've regularly
railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge this problem of >capitalism. /s
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too: we've
already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare, and the
next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be small
locally owned businesses for things like the trades (particularly HVAC)
and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to
not need SNAP benefits,
that's not a functional society.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should >close.
Alan wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Half the people in the country are running-around with $1000 iPhones,
but "the market isn't working except for billionaires, according to
"Alan".
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which makes
it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to prevent such
regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've regularly
railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge this problem of
capitalism. /s
And of all the people, the regulars of COLA, like -highhorse, should
have noticed that I have stated, on multiple occasions, that a free
market needs some regulation. For things like excessive pollution,
labor abuse, fraud, anti-competitive behavior, etc.
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too: we've
already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare, and the
next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be small
locally owned businesses for things like the trades (particularly HVAC)
and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon andWhile what Trump's been cancelling is things like FEMA support during
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
On 2025-11-26 13:19, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which makes
it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to prevent such
regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've regularly
railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge this problem of
capitalism. /s
And of all the people, the regulars of COLA, like -highhorse, should
have noticed that I have stated, on multiple occasions, that a free
market needs some regulation. For things like excessive pollution,
labor abuse, fraud, anti-competitive behavior, etc.
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too: we've
already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare, and the
next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be small
locally owned businesses for things like the trades (particularly HVAC)
and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
You don't currently give them that.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
While what Trump's been cancelling is things like FEMA support during
natural disasters.
On 2025-11-26 12:52, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Half the people in the country are running-around with $1000 iPhones,
but "the market isn't working except for billionaires, according to
"Alan".
1.
No. Half the people in the US are NOT running around (no hyphen required there, Buckwheat) with $100 iPhones. There are currently about $150
million iPhone users in the US (according to one source), but that
doesn't mean all of them cost each user $1,000.
Even today, the least expensive iPhone is a LOT cheaper than $1,000; 40% cheaper to be exact.
And most of those 150 million users aren't using a brand-new (there is
where a hyphen is needed, Cochise) iPhone. In fact, as of October 2025,
only about 29% of iPhones in use are iPhone models that are currently
for sale. That means more than 2/3 of those using iPhone are using older models and many of those will have been bought second-hand.
2.
Furthermore, so what?
You think this is an important metric?
How about the metric of average wage growth compared to productivity?
There are two figures that used to track each other very closely, but
now no longer do.
In short, the fruits of all that increased productivity are going
somewhere and it's NOT to the average person.
How about a minimum wage that hasn't increased since 2009, while every
other cost for the people earning that wage have increased by more than 50%.
chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to
not need SNAP benefits,
Says you.
that's not a functional society.
Yes it is.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
But even in those states, minimum wage isn't enough.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should
close.
Even if the failure to pay its expenses is due to the government
(Democrats) constantly piling-on more regulations, taxes, and costs?
For example, the "family leave" laws that have been sweeping through
the blue states?
Alan wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Half the people in the country are running-around with $1000 iPhones,
but "the market isn't working except for billionaires, according to--
"Alan".
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >><icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior. >>>>>
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about >>things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do >>have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to >>learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
--
chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to
not need SNAP benefits,
Says you.
that's not a functional society.
Yes it is.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
But even in those states, minimum wage isn't enough.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should
close.
Even if the failure to pay its expenses is due to the government
(Democrats) constantly piling-on more regulations, taxes, and costs?
For example, the "family leave" laws that have been sweeping through
the blue states?
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote <icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior. >>>
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling.
The stalking fool who cries about
things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless.
But I do
have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to learn from it and be open about it.
On Nov 25, 2025 at 6:00:42PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote <o4kcik1dj178afqkqf5a2lre15c5nb0jqv@4ax.com>:
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>> <22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about
things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do
have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to
learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
Sadly true. I remember back in the late '80s / early '90s when things were very different. Though even then there was silliness. You can see me (Snit) posting to the amiga.advocacy group in lots of insane debates. A guy named Adam Sternberg was a hoot.
In article <692660ee$0$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 25, 2025 at 6:00:42 PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<o4kcik1dj178afqkqf5a2lre15c5nb0jqv@4ax.com>:
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>>> <22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about
things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do
have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to
learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
Sadly true. I remember back in the late '80s / early '90s when things were >> very different. Though even then there was silliness. You can see me (Snit) >> posting to the amiga.advocacy group in lots of insane debates. A guy named >> Adam Sternberg was a hoot.
Whoa! Slow down pony!
So you have been playing this Usenet game for 35 years?
How old are you?
You should add up all the hours you have wasted that you
can never recover.
On 2025-11-26, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggetsPretty much true.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>> <22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about >>> things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do >>> have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to
learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
--
It is quite entertaining watching ultra liberal parasites like Brock McNuggets
try
to defend their practice of hating big business while at the same time grifting
the government for every dime they can.
These are the same people who don't pay taxes even if they do work part time in order
to supplement their government handout.
On Nov 26, 2025 at 4:01:53 PM MST, "Alan" wrote <10g80t1$rll7$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-26 13:19, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which
makes it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to
prevent such regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've
regularly railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge
this problem of capitalism. /s
And of all the people, the regulars of COLA, like -highhorse, should
have noticed that I have stated, on multiple occasions, that a free
market needs some regulation. For things like excessive pollution,
labor abuse, fraud, anti-competitive behavior, etc.
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Even as the workers have been able to produce more.
I want to see a stronger tie between productivity and financial gain.
Does not mean a 1:1 tie -- and for folks who are disabled or elderly
or for children of course that does not apply.
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too:
we've already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare,
and the next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be
small locally owned businesses for things like the trades
(particularly HVAC) and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that
white collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the
corporation pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses
are ultimately passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is
needed. The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance,
property taxes, utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the
brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
You don't currently give them that.
It is a bigoted and insane claim.
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:69278d19$0$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Nov 26, 2025 at 4:01:53 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10g80t1$rll7$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-26 13:19, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which
makes it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to
prevent such regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've
regularly railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge
this problem of capitalism. /s
And of all the people, the regulars of COLA, like -highhorse, should
have noticed that I have stated, on multiple occasions, that a free
market needs some regulation. For things like excessive pollution,
labor abuse, fraud, anti-competitive behavior, etc.
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Even as the workers have been able to produce more.
For someone who is house bound and doesn't have a legitimate,
tax paying form of employment, you sure assume a lot.
I want to see a stronger tie between productivity and financial gain.
So do I.
I'm tired of paying for lazy leeches like you living on the dole.
How about getting your lazy ass up at 6 AM 5 days a week and commuting to
a job where you contribute to society instead of being a drain on it.
Does not mean a 1:1 tie -- and for folks who are disabled or elderly
or for children of course that does not apply.
It also doesn't apply to scammers bilking the government like you are.
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too:
we've already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare,
and the next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be
small locally owned businesses for things like the trades
(particularly HVAC) and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that
white collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the
corporation pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses
are ultimately passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is
needed. The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance,
property taxes, utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the
brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
You don't currently give them that.
It is a bigoted and insane claim.
It's the truth and it's not bigoted at all.
In article <692660ee$0$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 25, 2025 at 6:00:42PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<o4kcik1dj178afqkqf5a2lre15c5nb0jqv@4ax.com>:
On 26 Nov 2025 00:28:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 4:07:24?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<icdcikdmmbfebftpu1ij54cllvjg4trvn4@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 23:00:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:58:25?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>>> <22dcikt5ehfjbelcmopnelo3splm9b9vj8@4ax.com>:
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
If it is just people trolling you, sure... but if there are true concerns it
should be used for self reflection.
I usually walk away from people who tell me what I should do, too.
Much of Usenet is just nonsense trolling. The stalking fool who cries about
things he imagines I did in 2004... his view is less than useless. But I do
have a lot of self awareness, and when I goof -- which we all do -- I try to
learn from it and be open about it.
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
Sadly true. I remember back in the late '80s / early '90s when things were >> very different. Though even then there was silliness. You can see me (Snit) >> posting to the amiga.advocacy group in lots of insane debates. A guy named >> Adam Sternberg was a hoot.
Whoa! Slow down pony!
So you have been playing this Usenet game for 35 years?
How old are you?Mentally or physically?
You should add up all the hours you have wasted that you
can never recover.
<snip>
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
You think this is an important metric?
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living inThat's not what I claimed.
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and
children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
On 2025-11-27 17:59, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and
children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
So just let the kids starve?
On 2025-11-28, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:The lazy left love to attack the wealthy.
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
The hard working left build their lives and take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the US and do not in most other countries
for various reasons.
They also take delight in conflating all kinds of facts and observations
with each other and mostly in an effort to take advantage of the overall generosity that most Americans have.
One example is "immigrants built this country and they come here in order
to better their lives by working hard, sending money back to the family
and so forth".
And sure, this is a true statement 20 years ago where MOST immigrants, by far in fact,
fit that description.
And this goes all the way back to the founding of the republic.
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case.
And it's not even close.
While certainly there are some immigrants who are like the above, the problem is that there are huge numbers who are not and are simply migrating to the US for free stuff and/or to do nasty things to the country.
Biden opened the floodgates and here we are in the massive mess.
And the evidence speaks for itself.
Has anyone ever witnessed so many people needing to be fed, housed, educated, health care, etc and cities collapsing under the cost of all of this?
Has this ever happened before?
The left assumes that the US can support all of this and that we should
be the world's refugee camp.
We cannot continue like this.
As for LEGAL immigrants, look no farther than NYC which has a huge Asian
and Indian population.
They immigrate here, open small businesses and scrape and save so their children can have a better life than they have had.
They take advantage of education and their children are exceptional students. They are paying taxes, work literally 24x7 cause little to no crime and
blend right into the communities with no issues.
Here is a typical example.
<https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/queens-high-school-for-the-sciences-at-york-college-13364>
"Queens High School for the Sciences at York College is ranked first within New York. Students have the opportunity to take Advanced Placementź coursework
and exams. The APź participation rate at Queens High School for the Sciences at York College is 100%. The total minority enrollment is 95%, and 66% of students are economically disadvantaged. Queens High School for the Sciences at York College is 1 of 533 high schools in the New York City Public"
You won't hear them complaining about Bill Gates because they are too busy working hard to build their own lives. They realize that they or their children could possibly be
the next Bill Gates.
This is immigration done right and done legally.
But of course the left is teeming with lazy ass parasites
like snit and Joel who spend their time attacking the "wealthy" instead
of actually working and trying to become wealthy themselves.
They are losers.
On 2025-11-28, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 17:59, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>> children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
So just let the kids starve?
No.
How about putting some qualifications on receiving benefits?
It's no secret that more kids = more money and the amount needed
to be spent is not linear.
Require some responsibility.
You apply for public assistance and you have 2 kids.
Fine.
You have another kid and you don't get additional money.
Then there are the stores that violate the SNAP program every day.
They don't care what you buy as long as you buy it at their store.
It's wink wink nod nod time.
The reason the system is full of corruption is because there is no accountability.
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
--That's not what I claimed.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
You should learn to read more carefully.
On 2025-11-27 17:59, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and
children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
So just let the kids starve?
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and
children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:56:57PM MST, "chrisv" wrote <250iikltaig205qckn08bnrf2l9fhmt07v@4ax.com>:And you can blame the lefty elites for that.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
If so then such jobs would be gone.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
The middle class is dying.
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17PM MST, "Alan" wrote <10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
The middle class is dying.
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote ><flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone >youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi >doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match >current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing, >medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work >full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its >basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural >issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us >any closer to an honest discussion.
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your “example” wasn’t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you’ve decided is lazy, which isn’t an argument. And tossing in “Apple fanboi”
doesn’t make the point any stronger.
The idea that “anyone who works can live a decent life” just doesn’t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven’t kept pace with housing, >> medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn’t “unreasonable” — it’s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don’t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn’t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone >>> youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi
doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match >>> current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing, >>> medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its >>> basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us >>> any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
On 2025-11-27 20:51, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
In what way is it "racist" to acknowledge that racism still exists?
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get
over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives
and has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to
get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent
life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at
anyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing
in Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just
doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent
kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or transportation
for decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle.
Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that
structural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just
lazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get
over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives
and has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to
get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent
life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at
anyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing
in Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just
doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent
kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or transportation
for decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle.
Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that
structural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just
lazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Remember the Tea Party people ranting
against civil disobedience and political
vandalism? That was a hoot.
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me,
you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi
doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi
doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing, >> medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
On 2025-11-27 20:51, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
In what way is it "racist" to acknowledge that racism still exists?
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:39:57?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><mliiik5o5pn6hcdhntrf0pcsklma6281ne@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me,
you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The parking lot view doesn't match the actual data: the American middle class >has been shrinking for decades, dropping from 61 percent of adults in 1971 to >50 percent in 2021 according to Pew
(https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shr >inking/).
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:22:45?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The bootstraps story sounds inspiring, but it doesn't line up with what's >actually happening in the US economy today. Yes, past immigrant waves included >people arriving with nothing -- but they entered a country where housing was >affordable, wages tracked productivity, education was inexpensive, and a >single income could realistically support a family.
Those conditions no longer exist. The middle class has shrunk from 61 percent >in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:58:53?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><tfkiik1h52pueu6blu21qvkhmnsd51p0k5@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone >>> you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match >>> current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing, >>> medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s >>> basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us >>> any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
Theres no contradiction at all. The claim that todays poor face tougher >conditions is backed by decades of data showing wage stagnation and >skyrocketing costs for housing, healthcare, and childcare. The middle class >has shrunk from 61 percent in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking/
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi
doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocrisy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience--
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
That comes as no surprise.
Maybe from the deep south where sis was the only cunt
around to learn about sex from. A family secret that
nobody talked about. Right Brock?
Tell me, do you support incest?
I'll bet you do.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:08:32 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 20:51, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet. >>>>
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
In what way is it "racist" to acknowledge that racism still exists?
Much of it directed at white people.
On 28 Nov 2025 15:26:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:22:45?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >><s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The bootstraps story sounds inspiring, but it doesn't line up with what's >>actually happening in the US economy today. Yes, past immigrant waves included
people arriving with nothing -- but they entered a country where housing was >>affordable, wages tracked productivity, education was inexpensive, and a >>single income could realistically support a family.
Those conditions no longer exist. The middle class has shrunk from 61 percent >>in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking
That link is dead....
but here's another that says the middle class is shrinking while the
upper class is expanding....
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
On 28 Nov 2025 15:22:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:39:57?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >><mliiik5o5pn6hcdhntrf0pcsklma6281ne@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me,
you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The parking lot view doesn't match the actual data: the American middle class >>has been shrinking for decades, dropping from 61 percent of adults in 1971 to >>50 percent in 2021 according to Pew
Indeed.... because the percentages of upper class is increasing.
(https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shr >>inking/).
From a different Pew research cite. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
On 2025-11-27 17:59, chrisv wrote:
chrisv wrote:
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and
children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
I'd like to add that the above argument is disingenuous. If one fat
loser leach on society has six kids, yeah, only one of them qualifies
as working age. That doesn't make it right.
So just let the kids starve?
(snipped, unread)
chrisv wrote:
I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an >>unreasonable dipshit denies it.
(snipped, unread)
some thing wrote:
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us >>any closer to an honest discussion.
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their
asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
(snipped, unread)
some thing wrote:
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don’t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn’t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
I'm not pretending either of those two things. I've staked-out the
middle ground, against leftists who deny how great we've done with our
system of capitalism.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 14:32:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>at
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get
over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives >>>>>>> and has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to
get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent
life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe
tossinganyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And
transportationin Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just
doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent
kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or
thatfor decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle.
Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending
butstructural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just
lazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination,
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Remember the Tea Party people ranting
against civil disobedience and political
vandalism? That was a hoot.
Once again, Hollowhead changes the subject because he has no reply to
what was posted.
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in
news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop
to it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing
and dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the
USA is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
Start a recession to beat inflation.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/3891551/money-expert- says-skip-adult-gifts-to-save-this-holiday-season/>
Money expert says skip gifts for adults, even grandma, to save this
holiday season
A financial expert is urging Americans to dramatically rethink their
holiday shopping lists, including cutting out gifts for adult extended
family members, as families across the country brace for Christmas
gift shopping.
On 2025-11-28 10:14, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over
it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has
luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
(snipped, unread)
Yes... ...because it's vital that everyone know you have no actual
rebuttal.
some thing wrote:
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
I'm not pretending either of those two things.
I've staked-out the
middle ground, against leftists who deny how great we've done with our
system of capitalism.
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 15:22:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:39:57?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<mliiik5o5pn6hcdhntrf0pcsklma6281ne@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me, >>>> you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The parking lot view doesn't match the actual data: the American middle class
has been shrinking for decades, dropping from 61 percent of adults in 1971 to
50 percent in 2021 according to Pew
Indeed.... because the percentages of upper class is increasing.
(https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shr
inking/).
From a different Pew research cite.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income
households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
Brock's replies are mostly AI generated.
I think his AI bot has a few crossed wires though because at times it
seems to be defective.
LOL
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 15:26:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:22:45?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an >>>>>>>> unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on >>>>>> their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy. >>>>>> __
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but >>>> many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The bootstraps story sounds inspiring, but it doesn't line up with what's >>> actually happening in the US economy today. Yes, past immigrant waves included
people arriving with nothing -- but they entered a country where housing was
affordable, wages tracked productivity, education was inexpensive, and a >>> single income could realistically support a family.
Those conditions no longer exist. The middle class has shrunk from 61 percent
in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking
That link is dead....
Many of Brock McNuggets replies are AI generated and he is not capable of verifying before posting.
but here's another that says the middle class is shrinking while the
upper class is expanding....
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income
households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Brock McNuggets, aka snit, missed the train because he was too lazy to
get his ass in gear, find a job, contribute to society and build a life. Instead he, and his ex wife are grifters who live on the dole by pretending they
are unable to find employment.
If Brock spent even a small portion of his life working hard instead of complaining
about how the wealthy have done him wrong, he might be wealthy too.
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:08:32 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 20:51, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank >>>>>> accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet. >>>>>
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
In what way is it "racist" to acknowledge that racism still exists?
Much of it directed at white people.
Indeed.
Where can I tap into some of that white privilege the left keeps telling me
I should be embarrassed about?
I chose a career in a field that was male dominated and to some degree still is.
My college professors would ask me why I chose engineering and I think it was because a female breaking into the ranks of a male dominated field was a threat
to their masculinity. Just a theory of mine.
I had to work harder than my male coworkers simply to stay employed.
etc
So where is my white privilege membership card?
I worked my buns off to get where I am and if I can do it, anyone can.
It's one reason why I do not tolerate laziness, government grifting and a refusal to work when capable of doing so.
On 2025-11-28, Barnacle Scully <scullyscatchoftheday7@boz.org> wrote:
In article <692916b1$2$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,No need to be vulgar, but all of the above is true.
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 7:22:17 PM MST, "Alan" wrote
<10gb10p$205e0$2@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-27 17:56, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
Is it really?
Tell you what:
I'll take everything away from you. Your home, your car, your bank
accounts, your ID...
...and put you on the street.
Let's see how "trivially easy" it is for you to get back on your feet.
Don't forget family connections, or privilege from skin color.
So you are a racist as well as being an idiot.
That comes as no surprise.
Maybe from the deep south where sis was the only cunt
around to learn about sex from. A family secret that
nobody talked about. Right Brock?
Tell me, do you support incest?
I'll bet you do.
Glasser is on record as using vulgar terms to describe African Americans
as well as him supporting incest.
I don't know if Glasser has a sister he might have been buggering,
but nothing about him would surprise me as he is as twisted as a pretzel.
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And tossing in Apple fanboi
doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just doesnt match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocrisy.
That's exactly what it is.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
My grandparents on both sides of the family did just that.
My grandmother came over on the boat carrying my newborn mother.
Her husband, my grandfather, died in an accident so my grandma was on her own and since America was the place of opportunity, she immigrated, LEGALLY.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
True.
And unlike the past where immigrants on their way to Ellis Island would cry when they saw The Statue Of Liberty, these days far too many come here and trash the country.
Rep Llhan Omar is a high profile example.
Total hypocrites.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Many don't even know what they are protesting and when asked by the media they are clueless.
I've watched many a video where college students are supporting Palestine by chanting "from the river to the sea", yet when asked to name the river and sea,
they cannot.
It's sheer lunacy.
_
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
On 28 Nov 2025 15:26:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:22:45?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an
unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on
their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The bootstraps story sounds inspiring, but it doesn't line up with what's
actually happening in the US economy today. Yes, past immigrant waves included
people arriving with nothing -- but they entered a country where housing was >> affordable, wages tracked productivity, education was inexpensive, and a
single income could realistically support a family.
Those conditions no longer exist. The middle class has shrunk from 61 percent
in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking
That link is dead....
but here's another that says the middle class is shrinking while the
upper class is expanding....
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
On 28 Nov 2025 15:22:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:39:57?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<mliiik5o5pn6hcdhntrf0pcsklma6281ne@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me,
you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The parking lot view doesn't match the actual data: the American middle class
has been shrinking for decades, dropping from 61 percent of adults in 1971 to
50 percent in 2021 according to Pew
Indeed.... because the percentages of upper class is increasing.
(https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shr
inking/).
From a different Pew research cite. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
On 11/28/25 1:17 PM, chrisv wrote:
some thing wrote:
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesnt get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
I'm not pretending either of those two things. I've staked-out the
middle ground, against leftists who deny how great we've done with our
system of capitalism.
Your "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why >people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over,
if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:ejejik9liomojm3h8kssqeiutgftrn3emt@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 14:32:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>at
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get >>>>>>>> over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives >>>>>>>> and has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to >>>>>>>> get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent >>>>>>>> life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe
tossinganyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And
transportationin Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just
doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent >>>>>>> kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or
thatfor decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle. >>>>>>> Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending
butstructural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is just >>>>>>> lazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on >>>>>> their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy. >>>>>> __
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination,
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Remember the Tea Party people ranting
against civil disobedience and political
vandalism? That was a hoot.
Once again, Hollowhead changes the subject because he has no reply to
what was posted.
Says the champion of "well, what about Biden" posts.....
On Nov 28, 2025 at 9:36:07?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><4kjjikdq9vuu2j7dab8pbv3he8oftv3246@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 15:26:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:22:45?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over >>>>>>>> it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has >>>>>>>> luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to get off their >>>>>>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life. Only an >>>>>>>> unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your ?example? wasn?t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone
you?ve decided is lazy, which isn?t an argument. And tossing in ?Apple fanboi?
doesn?t make the point any stronger.
The idea that ?anyone who works can live a decent life? just doesn?t match
current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven?t kept pace with housing,
medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people work
full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn?t ?unreasonable? ? it?s
basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that structural
issues don?t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn?t get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many
illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on >>>>>> their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy. >>>>>> __
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA
without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but >>>> many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with
a nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to
it and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The bootstraps story sounds inspiring, but it doesn't line up with what's >>> actually happening in the US economy today. Yes, past immigrant waves included
people arriving with nothing -- but they entered a country where housing was
affordable, wages tracked productivity, education was inexpensive, and a >>> single income could realistically support a family.
Those conditions no longer exist. The middle class has shrunk from 61 percent
in 1971 to 50 percent in 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shrinking
That link is dead....
Sorry. From old content of mine.
but here's another that says the middle class is shrinking while the
upper class is expanding....
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income
households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the >middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile, >the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical >"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing >that train.
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the >> middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing >> that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper
or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good
in my neighborhood.
Once again, Hollowhead changes the subject because he has no reply to
what was posted.
Says the champion of "well, what about Biden" posts.....
I understand why you don't want to talk about Gibberish Joe,
Hollowhead.
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why
people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over,
if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
On Nov 28, 2025 at 9:26:51?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><t0jjikhdglkfflvb2ui7d6aa2its7ka3t2@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 15:22:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 12:39:57?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<mliiik5o5pn6hcdhntrf0pcsklma6281ne@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:14:50 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
The middle class is dying.
Utter nonsense...
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands middle class people had more food
available to them then they could eat followed by watching sports on
big flat screen TVs. Many of them spent pretty good money to fly or
drive to those family affairs.
Today the box stores will be crammed with middle class people intent
on spending money. The parking lots will be crammed with shiny
vehicles fresh from $20+ car washes. Many of them will be SUVs and
crew cab pickup trucks.
If you're not among that shopping crowd, it might be because, like me, >>>> you don't like crowds, but it's not because you're the hapless victim
so many leftists claim to be, it's more likely due to your own bad
decisions and lack of ambition.
__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
The parking lot view doesn't match the actual data: the American middle class
has been shrinking for decades, dropping from 61 percent of adults in 1971 to
50 percent in 2021 according to Pew
Indeed.... because the percentages of upper class is increasing.
(https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/04/20/the-middle-class-is-shr
inking/).
From a different Pew research cite.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/
As a result, Americans are more apart than before financially. From
1971 to 2023, the share of Americans who live in lower-income
households increased from 27% to 30%, and the share in upper-income
households increased from 11% to 19%.
Notably, the increase in the share who are upper income was greater
than the increase in the share who are lower income. In that sense,
these changes are also a sign of economic progress overall.
Ah, yes -- the classic "look at the tiny slice at the top and call it >progress" argument. Sure, the upper-income share grew from 11% to 19%, but >that still leaves the vast majority of Americans feeling the squeeze. Calling >the shrinking middle class a sign of economic progress is like celebrating >that a few people got a bigger piece of pie while most of us are left with >crumbs. Progress for whom, exactly?
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the >>> middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper
or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good
in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify >with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights >for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
On 11/28/25 3:28 PM, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why
people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over,
if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
I'd take over your wife and make her leave you for a dildo that
resembled my cock, fuckface.
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why
people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over, >>>> if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
I'd take over your wife and make her leave you for a dildo that
resembled my cock, fuckface.
<LOL> She'll kick your pathetic girly ass into next week.
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the >>>> middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper
or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good
in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify >> with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights >> for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
On 11/28/25 4:33 PM, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why
people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over, >>>>> if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and >>>>> I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
I'd take over your wife and make her leave you for a dildo that
resembled my cock, fuckface.
<LOL> She'll kick your pathetic girly ass into next week.
It was a joke because I wouldn't touch a bitch that was with your sorry
ass. But since you bring up kicking someone's ass into next week,
that's exactly what I'd do to your lame ass, pathetic fucktard dumbshit.
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper
or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify >>> with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
cant imagine caring for the rights of others.
On 11/28/25 3:28 PM, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others'
suffering, it's why people like you are going to be denied any
influence when I take over, if you end up homeless I'll point and
laugh. Your reply will be filtered by my killfile, unread, because
you are a piece of shit, and I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop
dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
I'd take over your wife and make her leave you for a dildo that
resembled my cock, fuckface.
On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify >>>> with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking you
cant imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right
below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok.
On 11/28/25 1:17 PM, chrisv wrote:
some thing wrote:
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that
structural
issues don’t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn’t >>>> get us
any closer to an honest discussion.
I'm not pretending either of those two things. I've staked-out the
middle ground, against leftists who deny how great we've done with our
system of capitalism.
Your "middle ground" is just indifference to others' suffering, it's why people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over,
if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
--Sometimes the facts aren't pretty.
Governor Swill wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>violent crime?
Notice how Mr. Always Fails changes from plain "crime" to
"murder, rape, and other violent crime", and then claims that the
previous poster is justifying it?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Sometimes the facts aren't pretty.
America is still, in many ways, a slave state.
And actually becoming more so under Trump and the Heritage
Foundation loons.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 09:44:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 13:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Nope. I never said any such thing.
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
I was addressing the statement that:
"[it] might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and >>to forcibly resist arrest"
Do you know what "straw man argument" is?
My mistake. You said it caused it, not that it justifies it.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:17:51 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:04:35 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-treasury-czar-torched-absurd-212250603.html>
Trumps Treasury Goon Torched for Absurd Inflation Solution
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is being mocked for giving
head-scratching advice to cash-strapped Americans struggling
with inflation.
Bessent shared his extreme hack for avoiding the worst of
inflation during an appearance on Meet the Press on Sunday,
where he also passionately argued that inflation hadnt risen.
The multimillionaire told host Kristen Welker: I can tell you
that the Council of Economic Advisers have studied. You know
the best way to bring your inflation rate down? Move from a
blue state to a red state.
One commentor:
Great message. Tired of high grocery prices? Sell your home,
find a new job, buy a new home, move somewhere else, start
life over. Magic! Now your grocery bill is $10 less, one
person wrote.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-each-u-s-states-population-has-changed-since-2020/
ROTFL!
Got news for you. Moving to a red state might lower your taxes but it >>WON'T necessarily lower your grocery bill.
But it might lower your gasoline expenses.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor SwillYou really think that there is a dispute that poor people are likely to
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
America will survive. I know it seems not, but it will.
There's no indication that it's in trouble. In fact, it looks great.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 18:40:55 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>lives
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>news:ejejik9liomojm3h8kssqeiutgftrn3emt@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 14:32:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>>news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get >>>>>>>>> over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy
justatand has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to >>>>>>>>> get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent >>>>>>>>> life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe
tossinganyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And
transportationin Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just
doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent >>>>>>>> kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or
thatfor decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle. >>>>>>>> Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality.
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending
structural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is
onlazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have
opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many >>>>>>> illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes
economy.their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the
USA__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the
withbutwithout a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare
programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination,
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes
toa nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have
been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop
andit and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA
is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Remember the Tea Party people ranting
against civil disobedience and political
vandalism? That was a hoot.
Once again, Hollowhead changes the subject because he has no reply to
what was posted.
Says the champion of "well, what about Biden" posts.....
I understand why you don't want to talk about Gibberish Joe,
Hollowhead.
On 25 Nov 2025 22:37:52 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not like your behavior being called out, change your behavior.
Or shrug, smile, and walk away....
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking you
cant imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right
below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok.
Brock McNuggets / snit/ Michael Glasser is adding you to his patented snit circus.
Here is how it works:
"36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
"
You can find the official snit list here.
It's quite entertaining.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify >>>> with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:22:55 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 01:44:23 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:54:46 -0500, Governor Swill >>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 15:17:47 -0500, "Joel W. Crump" >>>><joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/23/25 2:54 PM, chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 11/22/25 5:14 PM, slothe wrote:
we'll do basic income, to alleviate the scarcity of
employment for these people.
The areas where it would be most needed can't afford it from the tax >>>>>>>> revenue available. The best option would be to create jobs.
If Elon Musk could build a 10,000,000 square foot auto factory and have
it running in less than a year - he did, the same red tape cutting could
What could go wrong with that?
<https://savingtheplaces.com/2016/05/12/the-river-that-caught-fire-1969-
and-today/>
be applied to other industries to create jobs. Green energy and climate
crap need not apply. Machinists, cad / cam and robotic techs preferred.
If Japan can use remote workers controlling robots to restock 7-11 >>>>>>>> orders, why can't the US follow suit?
I'm not opposed to job creation. But it has yet to solve this basic >>>>>>> problem.
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
<https://diamondenv.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dark-satanic-mills/>
We should want our privilege to be extended to the rest of the world.
That's how I was educated. From grade school we were taught that as >>>>Americans, we had a duty to share our system of government with the >>>>rest of the world. To teach them that free enterprise was better than >>>>centrally planned economies.
We've done that, and now, the same conservatives that taught us to do >>>>that are horrified that we now have competition.
Isn't competition the calling card of conservative economics?
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our >>>health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better.
Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government >>>health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:41:41 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:22:55 -0500, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 01:44:23 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >>><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:54:46 -0500, Governor Swill >>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 15:17:47 -0500, "Joel W. Crump" >>>>><joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/23/25 2:54 PM, chine.bleu wrote:That's how I was educated. From grade school we were taught that as >>>>>Americans, we had a duty to share our system of government with the >>>>>rest of the world. To teach them that free enterprise was better than >>>>>centrally planned economies.
Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 11/22/25 5:14 PM, slothe wrote:
we'll do basic income, to alleviate the scarcity of
employment for these people.
The areas where it would be most needed can't afford it from the tax >>>>>>>>> revenue available. The best option would be to create jobs. >>>>>>>>>
If Elon Musk could build a 10,000,000 square foot auto factory and have
it running in less than a year - he did, the same red tape cutting could
What could go wrong with that?
<https://savingtheplaces.com/2016/05/12/the-river-that-caught-fire-1969-
and-today/>
be applied to other industries to create jobs. Green energy and climate
crap need not apply. Machinists, cad / cam and robotic techs preferred.
If Japan can use remote workers controlling robots to restock 7-11 >>>>>>>>> orders, why can't the US follow suit?
I'm not opposed to job creation. But it has yet to solve this basic >>>>>>>> problem.
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
<https://diamondenv.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dark-satanic-mills/> >>>>>>
We should want our privilege to be extended to the rest of the world. >>>>>
We've done that, and now, the same conservatives that taught us to do >>>>>that are horrified that we now have competition.
Isn't competition the calling card of conservative economics?
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our >>>>health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better. >>>>Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government >>>>health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
Then why the tariffs? Don't they artificially contaminate the market?
Why do you shift your opinion depending on the subject being
discussed?
"Competition is good until somebody gets better at it than we are."
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 20:00:42 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
All of the political related Usenet groups, and many others are
worthless beyond the entertainment value.
To you. To us, you're the useless one.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:35:24 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail ><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >>><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>>racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>>violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
Translation: "I refuse to be shown wrong even when I'm mistaken."
The facts are very much in evidence and have been for millennia.
Sometimes the facts aren't pretty.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 08:44:04 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Governor Swill wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>>racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>>violent crime?
Notice how Mr. Always Fails changes from plain "crime" to
"murder, rape, and other violent crime", and then claims that the
previous poster is justifying it?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Sometimes the facts aren't pretty.
America is still, in many ways, a slave state.
And actually becoming more so under Trump and the Heritage
Foundation loons.
+1
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:32:32 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail ><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:17:51 -0500, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:04:35 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom >>><OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-treasury-czar-torched-absurd-212250603.html>
Trumps Treasury Goon Torched for Absurd Inflation Solution
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is being mocked for giving
head-scratching advice to cash-strapped Americans struggling
with inflation.
Bessent shared his extreme hack for avoiding the worst of
inflation during an appearance on Meet the Press on Sunday,
where he also passionately argued that inflation hadnt risen.
The multimillionaire told host Kristen Welker: I can tell you
that the Council of Economic Advisers have studied. You know
the best way to bring your inflation rate down? Move from a
blue state to a red state.
One commentor:
Great message. Tired of high grocery prices? Sell your home,
find a new job, buy a new home, move somewhere else, start
life over. Magic! Now your grocery bill is $10 less, one
person wrote.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-each-u-s-states-population-has-changed-since-2020/
ROTFL!
Got news for you. Moving to a red state might lower your taxes but it >>>WON'T necessarily lower your grocery bill.
But it might lower your gasoline expenses.
Sure. Like I'm going to move to another state to save five bucks on a
tank of gas.
LOL!__
You're right. Usenet IS entertaining!
HAW HAW HAW HAW !!!!
On 2025-11-24 16:35, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor SwillYou really think that there is a dispute that poor people are likely to >commit crimes?
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:kh1kik5nfva9cusaeh9p08hjjj5gjmr8to@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 18:40:55 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>lives
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>news:ejejik9liomojm3h8kssqeiutgftrn3emt@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 14:32:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>>>news:s5miik12gsnnv9klt2133o9dh64vmmkk4s@4ax.com:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<flvhiklsou9bfrdvru28hdbbdicfhrih33@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You think this is an important metric?
It was just an example. I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get >>>>>>>>>> over it. Even many "poor" people in this country live easy
justand has luxuries that they dont need. Anyone who is willing to >>>>>>>>>> get off their asses and works has the ability to live a decent >>>>>>>>>> life. Only an unreasonable dipshit denies it.
Your example wasnt really an example so much as a broad swipe >>>at
anyone youve decided is lazy, which isnt an argument. And >>>tossing
in Apple fanboi doesnt make the point any stronger.
The idea that anyone who works can live a decent life just >>>>>>>>> doesnt match current economic data. Wages at the bottom havent >>>>>>>>> kept pace with housing, medical costs, childcare, or >>>transportation
for decades. Plenty of people work full time and still struggle. >>>>>>>>> Pointing that out isnt unreasonable its basic reality. >>>>>>>>>
If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending >>>that
structural issues dont exist, and that anyone struggling is
onlazy, doesnt get us any closer to an honest discussion.
On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have >>>>>>>> opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many >>>>>>>> illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes
economy.their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the
USA__
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Straw...
...man.
No, leftist hypocracy.
Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the
withwithout a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that
happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare >>>>>> programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, >>>but
many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes
toa nicely filled two car garage.
The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have >>>>>> been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop
andit and send many of them back.
...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing
dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA >>>>>> is....
Including the president who himself wants
to leave America.
"I could have been relaxing at Mar-a-Lago
or in the south of France, which I would
prefer to being in this country frankly."
Donald Trump, Aug 8 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mw7p5bj7
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
Remember the Tea Party people ranting
against civil disobedience and political
vandalism? That was a hoot.
Once again, Hollowhead changes the subject because he has no reply to
what was posted.
Says the champion of "well, what about Biden" posts.....
I understand why you don't want to talk about Gibberish Joe,
Hollowhead.
If you are so fixated on Biden why
don't you start your own Biden newsgroup?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:41:41 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail ><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:22:55 -0500, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 01:44:23 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >>><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:54:46 -0500, Governor Swill >>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 15:17:47 -0500, "Joel W. Crump" >>>>><joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/23/25 2:54 PM, chine.bleu wrote:That's how I was educated. From grade school we were taught that as >>>>>Americans, we had a duty to share our system of government with the >>>>>rest of the world. To teach them that free enterprise was better than >>>>>centrally planned economies.
Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 11/22/25 5:14 PM, slothe wrote:
we'll do basic income, to alleviate the scarcity of
employment for these people.
The areas where it would be most needed can't afford it from the tax >>>>>>>>> revenue available. The best option would be to create jobs. >>>>>>>>>
If Elon Musk could build a 10,000,000 square foot auto factory and have
it running in less than a year - he did, the same red tape cutting could
What could go wrong with that?
<https://savingtheplaces.com/2016/05/12/the-river-that-caught-fire-1969-
and-today/>
be applied to other industries to create jobs. Green energy and climate
crap need not apply. Machinists, cad / cam and robotic techs preferred.
If Japan can use remote workers controlling robots to restock 7-11 >>>>>>>>> orders, why can't the US follow suit?
I'm not opposed to job creation. But it has yet to solve this basic >>>>>>>> problem.
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
<https://diamondenv.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dark-satanic-mills/> >>>>>>
We should want our privilege to be extended to the rest of the world. >>>>>
We've done that, and now, the same conservatives that taught us to do >>>>>that are horrified that we now have competition.
Isn't competition the calling card of conservative economics?
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our >>>>health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better. >>>>Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government >>>>health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
Then why the tariffs?
Don't they artificially contaminate the market?
Why do you shift your opinion depending on the subject being
discussed?
"Competition is good until somebody gets better at it than we are."
On Nov 28, 2025 at 4:20:45?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><prakikppbt39be3tb228ui7r2eeoq36s1t@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. >Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
But I am liberal. I want what is best for everyone. You are conservative. You >want special entitlements for yourself, those you identify with, and the very >rich. It is pretty much the defining characteristics.
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.As one who did A-level chemistry (albeit getting on for 50 years ago),
But I am liberal. I want what is best for everyone. You are conservative. You want special entitlements for yourself, those you identify with, and the very rich. It is pretty much the defining characteristics.
Cy Ubinger wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Governor Swill wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our
health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better.
Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government >>>>> health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
Not a "pity", although the Asians are now kicking our asses...
It's good that we're moving back to competing.
Are we?
The U.S. will never again be competitive in manufacturing.
Probably not, for most things. China has now got the infrastructure,
and the supply chain, and the labor force, and the government
facilitation. It's not even close, as to who can do it better and
cheaper.
On 2025/11/29 2:51:2, Brock McNuggets wrote:
[]
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites.
Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
As one who did A-level chemistry (albeit getting on for 50 years ago),
when I hear these references to cis- and trans-, I can't help but wonder
what happened to iso-?>
chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to
not need SNAP benefits,
Says you.
that's not a functional society.
Yes it is.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
But even in those states, minimum wage isn't enough.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should >>close.
Even if the failure to pay its expenses is due to the government
(Democrats) constantly piling-on more regulations, taxes, and costs?
For example, the "family leave" laws that have been sweeping through
the blue states?
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites.
Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
That's how it is for citizens in these fine United States.
But I am liberal. I want what is best for everyone. You are conservative. You
want special entitlements for yourself, those you identify with, and the very
rich. It is pretty much the defining characteristics.
That's nonsense. If you had any evidence that I get or that I want any entitlements that are not available to you and everybody else you'd
have shown it.
It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
Then why the tariffs?
1) The USA's tariffs counter the tariffs other country's put on our
products.
On 2025-11-21 15:57, pothead wrote:<snip>
Nobody deserves to die. Poor, rich or otherwise. You work hard,
learn a work ethic, claw and grasp doing whatever job is needed to
allow you to pursue your dream.
That is how successful people born poor better themselves.
And if they aren't as successful, just let them die?
On 2025-11-29, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:41:41 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:22:55 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 01:44:23 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:54:46 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 15:17:47 -0500, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/23/25 2:54 PM, chine.bleu wrote:That's how I was educated. From grade school we were taught that as >>>>>> Americans, we had a duty to share our system of government with the >>>>>> rest of the world. To teach them that free enterprise was better than >>>>>> centrally planned economies.
Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 11/22/25 5:14 PM, slothe wrote:
we'll do basic income, to alleviate the scarcity of
employment for these people.
The areas where it would be most needed can't afford it from the tax >>>>>>>>>> revenue available. The best option would be to create jobs. >>>>>>>>>>
If Elon Musk could build a 10,000,000 square foot auto factory and have
it running in less than a year - he did, the same red tape cutting could
What could go wrong with that?
<https://savingtheplaces.com/2016/05/12/the-river-that-caught-fire-1969-and-today/>
be applied to other industries to create jobs. Green energy and climate
crap need not apply. Machinists, cad / cam and robotic techs preferred.
If Japan can use remote workers controlling robots to restock 7-11 >>>>>>>>>> orders, why can't the US follow suit?
I'm not opposed to job creation. But it has yet to solve this basic >>>>>>>>> problem.
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
<https://diamondenv.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dark-satanic-mills/> >>>>>>>
We should want our privilege to be extended to the rest of the world. >>>>>>
We've done that, and now, the same conservatives that taught us to do >>>>>> that are horrified that we now have competition.
Isn't competition the calling card of conservative economics?
Indeed... Competition drives improvement. We just re-evaluated our
health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better.
Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government >>>>> health insurance.... or grocery stores...
Exactly. Pity we now have economic competition from so many
countries.
It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
Then why the tariffs? Don't they artificially contaminate the market?
Why do you shift your opinion depending on the subject being
discussed?
"Competition is good until somebody gets better at it than we are."
There should be fair trade policies and up until Trump trade was highly biased
against
the US.
In a fair market the buyers get to choose and poor products will
not last while those in demand will.
The problem is that other countries have been taking advantage of
the US for a long time and this needs to stop.
For example China has been manipulating their currency for years.
That may be unstoppable but the US should encourage manufacturing
to relocate to the US.
Personally I'm against this "my tariff is bigger than yours" approach
but something needs to be done. Tariffs can be a bargaining point
to at least get a dialog going.
It's complex.
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/22/25 20:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they should be
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
able to use them.
If they are not, or gaming the system, then they should not be entitled. >>>>
It's that simple.
What's also "simple" is that when one keeps on adding additional
requirements and tests to be "truly entitled", a smaller & smaller
percenage of those who are truly entitled are able to successfully make
it through the gauntlet.
Case in point, if you have to merely provide proof of your age on a
daily basis, any day that you forget to submit ... you're cut off.
-hh
It's called responsibility.
The gainfully employed in certain fields
know that they can be subjected to a random drug test.
It's up to the employee to pass the test.
Run a small business?
You had better file the proper tax forms, ie:quarterly taxes.
And so forth.
As for the government changing the rules, cheaters are quite inventive
and come up with new grifting scams all the time.
The government needs to address this.
See Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
I'm truly shocked!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-(
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:39:51?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><b2flikdv9c3d4du90f7orudip3m3d7s2k6@4ax.com>:
...
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. >>> Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
That's how it is for citizens in these fine United States.
Please show support for this.
But I am liberal. I want what is best for everyone. You are conservative. You
want special entitlements for yourself, those you identify with, and the very
rich. It is pretty much the defining characteristics.
That's nonsense. If you had any evidence that I get or that I want any
entitlements that are not available to you and everybody else you'd
have shown it.
YOU show it and I respond to it.
Keep in mind the main differences between liberal and conservative world >views:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:17:59?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote<snip>
On 25/11/2025 19:32, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 10:35:38?AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
substantial taxpayer losses. But it takes that legitimate problem and uses itSee Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.I'm truly shocked!
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-( >>> The article spotlights a very real crisis the massive welfare fraud in >>> Minnesota thats backed by public records, federal indictments, and
as a launchpad for a much bigger, politically loaded claim: that the stolen >>> funds are helping bankroll Islamic terror.
It functions more like an advocacy piece, blending a verified crime (the >>> fraud) with a serious but publicly unproven accusation (an Al-Shabaab
connection), while pinning the blame on bureaucracy and progressive politics.
And honestly, its not surprising that someone with white-supremacist leanings
would latch onto unproven accusations like that rumor tends to become fact
the moment it supports their worldview.
When looking at the piece, its important to separate whats actually
documented from whats alleged but not established.
How will you feel when it *IS* established?
When what is? Connections that feed racism and bigotry? We should handle it, >of course, but not generalize. No more fair than saying that just because >Trump is a Christian this means all Christians are rapists who promote >fascism.
On 2025-11-22 17:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system,
then they should not be entitled.
And I don't see anyone arguing against that.
On 11/25/25 15:30, chrisv wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
I'm no billionaire and the market is working great for me. Of course,
I began investing when I was in my tewnties.
I wasn't talking about the stock market. I meant the markets for
goods and services and labor, all ruled by capitalism, and the
prosperity that has resulted.
It has been beneficial (& better than central planning) when its--
practices have not been undermined by monopolistic or monopsonic
practices (ditto oligopolies, etc). Its because these modes of
exploitation function undermining free & open competition, which makes
it clear that some controls on capitalism are needed to prevent such
regular and systematic abuses from arising.
And of all people, the regulars of COLA like chrisv who've regularly
railed against Microsoft should be first to acknowledge this problem of >capitalism. /s
IMO, we're in an era where anti-competitive business actions are
returning us to the 19th century 'Robber Baron' era, which has now
advanced beyond the poor to marginalize the middle class too: we've
already been hit with high costs in education and healthcare, and the
next less obvious wave is private equity in what used to be small
locally owned businesses for things like the trades (particularly HVAC)
and veterinarian clinics.
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
-hh wrote:<snip>
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white >>collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately >>passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill >>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> >>>>wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already >>>>>>>> working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied >>>>adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting >>>themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent >>subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
that the help only goes to those who qualify to get it, which leaves
more help available to those who do qualify.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:11:36 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already >>>>>>>>> working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>> beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>> children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied
adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting
themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent
subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
that the help only goes to those who qualify to get it, which leaves
more help available to those who do qualify.
Because that complaint will always be made no matter how small the
program or how few it helps.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:19:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
-hh wrote:<snip>
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
What about the Christians, Hindus and white people?
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
Yet such projects stimulate technologies that *do* solve problems on
earth.
On 25 Nov 2025 22:33:07 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 3:17:59?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote<snip>
On 25/11/2025 19:32, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 25, 2025 at 10:35:38?AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
On 25/11/2025 12:28, pothead wrote:
substantial taxpayer losses. But it takes that legitimate problem and uses itSee Minnesota Somali tax/welfare fraud.I'm truly shocked!
Very inventive.
<https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab>
This is HUGE!
The comments after the article seem to sum up just how bad this is. :-( >>>> The article spotlights a very real crisis the massive welfare fraud in >>>> Minnesota thats backed by public records, federal indictments, and
as a launchpad for a much bigger, politically loaded claim: that the stolen
funds are helping bankroll Islamic terror.
It functions more like an advocacy piece, blending a verified crime (the >>>> fraud) with a serious but publicly unproven accusation (an Al-Shabaab
connection), while pinning the blame on bureaucracy and progressive politics.
And honestly, its not surprising that someone with white-supremacist leanings
would latch onto unproven accusations like that rumor tends to become fact
the moment it supports their worldview.
When looking at the piece, its important to separate whats actually >>>> documented from whats alleged but not established.
How will you feel when it *IS* established?
When what is? Connections that feed racism and bigotry? We should handle it, >> of course, but not generalize. No more fair than saying that just because
Trump is a Christian this means all Christians are rapists who promote
fascism.
+1
It amazes me how many complain about white collar crime committed by
non white, non Christians while celebrating the sins of white
Christians.
They defrauded banks out of tens of millions of dollars but Trump
pardoned them, ending both their sentences and their restitution
requirement. <https://apnews.com/article/julie-chrisley-todd-trump-pardons-federal-prison-9c508547bf5f6d57ae20f38c6821cecd>
Now they're out and living the good life on millions of stolen
dollars.
On 29 Nov 2025 18:03:02 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:39:51?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<b2flikdv9c3d4du90f7orudip3m3d7s2k6@4ax.com>:
...
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. >>>> Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
That's how it is for citizens in these fine United States.
Please show support for this.
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 16:05:08 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to >>>> not need SNAP benefits,
Says you.
that's not a functional society.
Yes it is.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
But even in those states, minimum wage isn't enough.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should >>> close.
Even if the failure to pay its expenses is due to the government
(Democrats) constantly piling-on more regulations, taxes, and costs?
For example, the "family leave" laws that have been sweeping through
the blue states?
Irrelevant. EVERY business is UNIVERSALLY required to follow the same
sets of rules for that business.
Recall so many people claim that US emissions and safety standards "destroyed" the US auto industry. What they forget is that EVERY manufacturer was required to follow the *same rules*. Detroit simply
failed to succeed.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:11:36 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail ><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >>><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill >>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already >>>>>>>>> working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>>beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>>children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied >>>>>adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting >>>>themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent >>>subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
that the help only goes to those who qualify to get it, which leaves
more help available to those who do qualify.
Because that complaint will always be made no matter how small the
program or how few it helps.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
On Nov 29, 2025 at 11:17:26?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote ><ntdmikdsf7fl040005vbmdv4mlpeln43c2@4ax.com>:
On 29 Nov 2025 18:03:02 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:39:51?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<b2flikdv9c3d4du90f7orudip3m3d7s2k6@4ax.com>:
...
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. >>>>> Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
That's how it is for citizens in these fine United States.
Please show support for this.
You failed. Got it. And that is a shame. You made a claim you cannot back.
Because it is not true.
Many groups in the U.S. -- including trans people, LGBTQ+ folks, Black >Americans, Native Americans, and others -- still face unequal treatment >despite some legal protections. Trans people often encounter barriers to >healthcare, ID changes, public accommodations, and workplace fairness. LGBTQ+ >individuals can face limits on adoption, housing, and services due to >religious exemption laws (as if your religion gives you a fight to deny others >equal rights!)
Black Americans experience disproportionate impacts in policing, >incarceration, voting access, housing, and school funding. Native Americans >and other marginalized groups face systemic issues like poverty, limited >healthcare, and restricted legal protections.
On 29 Nov 2025 20:06:22 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 2025 at 11:17:26?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<ntdmikdsf7fl040005vbmdv4mlpeln43c2@4ax.com>:
On 29 Nov 2025 18:03:02 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:39:51?AM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<b2flikdv9c3d4du90f7orudip3m3d7s2k6@4ax.com>:
...
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
I want everyone to get equal rights. That's it. You. Me. Blacks. Whites. >>>>>> Asians. Jews. Atheists. Gays. Heterosexuals. Cis. Trans. EVERYONE.
That's how it is for citizens in these fine United States.
Please show support for this.
You failed. Got it. And that is a shame. You made a claim you cannot back. >>
Because it is not true.
Many groups in the U.S. -- including trans people, LGBTQ+ folks, Black
Americans, Native Americans, and others -- still face unequal treatment
despite some legal protections. Trans people often encounter barriers to
healthcare, ID changes, public accommodations, and workplace fairness. LGBTQ+
individuals can face limits on adoption, housing, and services due to
religious exemption laws (as if your religion gives you a fight to deny others
equal rights!)
Black Americans experience disproportionate impacts in policing,
incarceration, voting access, housing, and school funding. Native Americans >> and other marginalized groups face systemic issues like poverty, limited
healthcare, and restricted legal protections.
You made a claim you cannot back.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:03:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-22 17:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system,
then they should not be entitled.
And I don't see anyone arguing against that.
+1
The problem with his argument is that it's inevitably followed by a
litany of fraud and abuse by coloreds and/or the poor that's only a
tiny slice of disbursed funds.
Meanwhile, white collar crime is ignored.
On Nov 29, 2025 at 12:42:52PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote <42jmikphp3uvhsi0qs3rb1mke8jln5cvvl@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:19:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
-hh wrote:<snip>
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white
collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation
pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately
passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed.
The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
What about the Christians, Hindus and white people?
The biggest threat to the US right now are right wing extremist Christians. Funny how he never mentions those.
Be prepared for a bunch of Christians to cry they are not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" and pretend they are being discriminated against.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
Yet such projects stimulate technologies that *do* solve problems on
earth.
And bring hope and pride.
On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 14:47:57 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:11:36 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill >>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail >>>><MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill >>>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already >>>>>>>>>> working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>>>beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>>>children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied >>>>>>adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting >>>>>themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent >>>>subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
that the help only goes to those who qualify to get it, which leaves
more help available to those who do qualify.
Because that complaint will always be made no matter how small the
program or how few it helps.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/2024-02/CA%20Public%20Benefits%20for%20Noncitizens%20.pdf
On 2025-11-29, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 14:47:57 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:11:36 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already >>>>>>>>>>> working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>>>> beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>>>> children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied >>>>>>> adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting >>>>>> themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent
subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
that the help only goes to those who qualify to get it, which leaves
more help available to those who do qualify.
Because that complaint will always be made no matter how small the
program or how few it helps.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/2024-02/CA%20Public%20Benefits%20for%20Noncitizens%20.pdf
Well, California looks like the place to live if you have no intention
of getting a job but instead living on the dole like snit, Brock McNuggets, Michael Glasser of Prescott Arizona does.
Hey Glasser, since your ex tossed you to the curb maybe you should
consider moving to California?
That place seems like a magnet for leeches like you.
Just a suggestion.
ROTFLMAO!
In article <692b50a9$1$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 29, 2025 at 12:42:52 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<42jmikphp3uvhsi0qs3rb1mke8jln5cvvl@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:19:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
-hh wrote:<snip>
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white >>>>> collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation >>>>> pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately >>>>> passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed. >>>> The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes,
utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
What about the Christians, Hindus and white people?
The biggest threat to the US right now are right wing extremist Christians. >> Funny how he never mentions those.
Sure.
Those right wing Christians are all over the country
protesting, blocking traffic, shutting down major highways
and burning down buildings, looting stores and such.
Be prepared for a bunch of Christians to cry they are not allowed to say
"Merry Christmas" and pretend they are being discriminated against.
Wow!
Is that the best you can come up with?
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
Yet such projects stimulate technologies that *do* solve problems on
earth.
And bring hope and pride.
Platitudes.
On 2025-11-29, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:03:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-22 17:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system,
then they should not be entitled.
And I don't see anyone arguing against that.
+1
Yet the left argues tooth and nail about how we need to support
these migrants with taxpayer dollars. And the overall cost is huge.
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 16:05:08 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
chine.bleu wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
There's something *wrong* when a working person doesn't make enough to >>>> not need SNAP benefits,
Says you.
that's not a functional society.
Yes it is.
It's why many states have far higher minimum wages than the federal minimum.
But even in those states, minimum wage isn't enough.
A business that cannot pay its expenses is a failed business that should >>> close.
Even if the failure to pay its expenses is due to the government
(Democrats) constantly piling-on more regulations, taxes, and costs?
For example, the "family leave" laws that have been sweeping through
the blue states?
Irrelevant. EVERY business is UNIVERSALLY required to follow the same
sets of rules for that business.
Recall so many people claim that US emissions and safety standards "destroyed" the US auto industry. What they forget is that EVERY manufacturer was required to follow the *same rules*. Detroit simply
failed to succeed.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
Governor Swill wrote:
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency
room care come to mind.
We do not vaccinate our own children for a reason.
On 11/28/25 3:28 PM, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
Your [chrisv's] "middle ground" is just indifference to others'
suffering, it's why
people like you are going to be denied any influence when I take over,
if you end up homeless I'll point and laugh. Your reply will be
filtered by my killfile, unread, because you are a piece of shit, and
I'm sick of reading your bullshit, drop dead.
<eyeroll> The pathetic little dribble girl believes she's going to
take over...
I'd take over your wife and make her leave you for a dildo that
resembled my cock, fuckface.
Many groups in the U.S. -- including trans people, LGBTQ+ folks, Black Americans, Native Americans, and others -- still face unequal treatment> despite some legal protections. Trans people often encounter barriers toThat last line. I know it was a typo, but many a truth is - er - stated
healthcare, ID changes, public accommodations, and workplace fairness. LGBTQ+ individuals can face limits on adoption, housing, and services due to religious exemption laws (as if your religion gives you a fight to deny others
equal rights!)
On 2025/11/29 20:6:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
[]
Many groups in the U.S. -- including trans people, LGBTQ+ folks, Black
Americans, Native Americans, and others -- still face unequal treatment
despite some legal protections. Trans people often encounter barriers to
healthcare, ID changes, public accommodations, and workplace fairness. LGBTQ+
individuals can face limits on adoption, housing, and services due to
religious exemption laws (as if your religion gives you a fight to deny others
equal rights!)
That last line. I know it was a typo, but many a truth is - er - stated
in a typo.
Religion gives a fight - almost universally true. Even more so if you
include blind party allegiances under "religions", and many of those
beliefs are held far more strongly than religious ones (or, they
convince themselves - or, if they're honest which they never are,
pretend) that their god (whichever one) supports their party.
[]
Right, that's both sides and all religions set against me - who's left? :-)
On Nov 29, 2025 at 3:13:55PM MST, "pothead" wrote <10gfr73$3p8bh$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:mistake7/*> >>>> that the help only goes to those who
On 2025-11-29, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 14:47:57 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:11:36 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:37 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:20:08 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:13:39 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:36:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
Alan wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Except many people getting SNAP benefits (for example) are already
working full time.
What percentage?
Look it up.
OK. According to Google's "AI overview":
<Quote>
Most working-age SNAP recipients are employed,
As we explained to you before. Most able bodied, work qualified SNAP >>>>>>> beneficiaries are working.
but a majority of all
SNAP recipients do not work.
The majority of SNAP beneficiaries are the elderly, the disabled and >>>>>>> children - persons who do not qualify as working age, able bodied >>>>>>> adults.
People who are really physically or mentally incapable of supporting >>>>>> themselves should get help.
They do. SNAP is one way, SS disability is another, Medicaid, rent >>>>> subsidies, income support, etc..
So why all the complaints... The only changes proposed is to insure
more help available to those who do qualify.
Because that complaint will always be made no matter how small the
program or how few it helps.
By the way, Illegals don't qualify.
They don't need to. They work their asses off, live on nothing and
don't want anybody to notice they're here. Getting handouts tends to
put them on the grid.
There are SOME benefits I'd extend to them. Vaccination and emergency >>> room care come to mind.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/2024-02/CA%20Public%20Benefits%20for%20Noncitizens%20.pdf
Well, California looks like the place to live if you have no intention
of getting a job but instead living on the dole like snit, Brock McNuggets, Michael Glasser of Prescott Arizona does.
Hey Glasser, since your ex tossed you to the curb maybe you should
consider moving to California?
That place seems like a magnet for leeches like you.
Just a suggestion.
ROTFLMAO!
What non-Jews do you lie about like that?
On Nov 29, 2025 at 3:01:49PM MST, "Johnson" wrote <MPG.4395375c667103539896b3@usnews.blocknews.net>:
In article <692b50a9$1$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 29, 2025 at 12:42:52 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<42jmikphp3uvhsi0qs3rb1mke8jln5cvvl@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:19:21 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
-hh wrote:<snip>
And for the question of "what has changed?" the answer is that white >>>>> collar criminals don't go to jail anymore. Instead, the corporation >>>>> pays fines without admitting guilt, and these expenses are ultimately >>>>> passed along as higher prices on consumers.
I agree that things have gotten worse and that a correction is needed. >>>> The rising tide of medical costs, property insurance, property taxes, >>>> utility costs, etc is pushing many people to the brink.
We can start by not giving a free ride to Muslims invading our
country.
What about the Christians, Hindus and white people?
The biggest threat to the US right now are right wing extremist Christians.
Funny how he never mentions those.
Sure.
Those right wing Christians are all over the country
protesting, blocking traffic, shutting down major highways
and burning down buildings, looting stores and such.
They are running the country and pushing us to The Handmaid's Tale. EVERY patriot should be protesting against them. Many did. Biggest protest in US history. That is a very, very good thing.
Be prepared for a bunch of Christians to cry they are not allowed to say >> "Merry Christmas" and pretend they are being discriminated against.
Wow!
Is that the best you can come up with?
It is one example. And one you cannot deny.
Oh, and cancel stupid shit like manned trips to the Moon and
Mars. We have greater problems to solve here in Earth!
Yet such projects stimulate technologies that *do* solve problems on
earth.
And bring hope and pride.
Platitudes.
More than that. They matter.
In article <692b8890$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 29, 2025 at 3:01:49 PM MST, "Johnson" wrote
<MPG.4395375c667103539896b3@usnews.blocknews.net>:
In article <692b50a9$1$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Be prepared for a bunch of Christians to cry they are not allowed to say >>>> "Merry Christmas" and pretend they are being discriminated against.
Wow!
Is that the best you can come up with?
It is one example. And one you cannot deny.
And it's a minor example compared to the demands the
democrats want.
Things like men in girls locker rooms, bathrooms, sports
and so forth.
But you need to attack Christians for defending CHRISTmas.
Christians don't attack Jews for celebrating Hanukkah nor
Africans for Kwanza.
So why does the democrats or the left in general attack
CHRISTmas?
Why do you people have so much hate?
On 11/30/25 4:51 PM, Johnson wrote:
In article <692b8890$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 29, 2025 at 3:01:49 PM MST, "Johnson" wrote
<MPG.4395375c667103539896b3@usnews.blocknews.net>:
In article <692b50a9$1$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Be prepared for a bunch of Christians to cry they are not allowed to say >>>>> "Merry Christmas" and pretend they are being discriminated against.
Wow!
Is that the best you can come up with?
It is one example. And one you cannot deny.
And it's a minor example compared to the demands the
democrats want.
Things like men in girls locker rooms, bathrooms, sports
and so forth.
But you need to attack Christians for defending CHRISTmas.
Christians don't attack Jews for celebrating Hanukkah nor
Africans for Kwanza.
So why does the democrats or the left in general attack
CHRISTmas?
Why do you people have so much hate?
You need meds, retard, Jesus fucking Christ you are out of your
nonexistent mind. How you can even turn on a computer to post here is astounding.
In article <692921b9$6$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:56:57 PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<250iikltaig205qckn08bnrf2l9fhmt07v@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
If so then such jobs would be gone.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
The middle class is dying.
And you can blame the lefty elites for that.
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:43:53PM MST, "pothead" wrote <10gfpeo$3obk1$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-29, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:03:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-22 17:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they >>>> should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system,
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you
unreasonable dipshit.
then they should not be entitled.
And I don't see anyone arguing against that.
+1
Yet the left argues tooth and nail about how we need to support
these migrants with taxpayer dollars. And the overall cost is huge.
Overall immigrants help the economy. Part of the reason our economy is struggling is Trump's idiotic policies in that area.
Why not TRY to learn what is happening?
In article <692b88cc$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Overall immigrants help the economy. Part of the reason our economy is
struggling is Trump's idiotic policies in that area.
Overall per history that is true. However immigration in
the last 20 years or more is NOT comparable to your
relatives coming over on a boat and building America's
roads, bridges,tunnels and infrastructure, the vast
majority of whom immigrated legally. even more recently
migrants applied for work visas and citizenship while
working hard and contributing to the country.
And many did make a future for themselves achieving the
American Dream and the number of examples could fill the
Internet.
These days we live in different, dangerous times.
Terrorism, industrial spying, radical Islam wanting to
kill people who do not agree with them, drug cartels,
human trafficking cartels, children sold into sex trades
or being worked to death in factories and such.
And while immigrants in the past were taken advantage of
by unscrupulous people it is nowhere near, not even close
to what is happening currently.
The previous administration for example lost track of
hundreds of thousands of children
So when in the past has that happened?
When in the past have we had major cities overburdened
with debt in order to take care of migrants?
Under Busch?
No.
Under Obama?
No.
Under Biden?
Absolutely.
Under Trump?
The border is secure and encounters are at an all time
low.
No more caravans of migrants heading to the US.
Why not TRY to learn what is happening?
Why not open your eyes and look around you.
And in closing, getting back to the subject of this
thread, grifting the system which the left denies.
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15338767/somali- fraudsters-minnesota-covid.html>
<https://justthenews.com/accountability/waste-fraud-and- abuse/stunning-fraud-involving-somalis-minnesota-hand-gop-
political>
So please stop pulling the "we must help them all because
America is a country of immigrants" because you look like
a fool.
In article <692b88cc$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:43:53 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<10gfpeo$3obk1$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-29, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:03:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-22 17:47, pothead wrote:
On 2025-11-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan wrote:If people are truly entitled to government assistance programs, they >>>>>> should be able to use them. If they are not, or gaming the system, >>>>>> then they should not be entitled.
Wave away the fact that people can't live on the minimum
wage?
They probably shoudn't even try....
So just starve, then?
So just apply for SNAP, or take advantage of "food shelves", you >>>>>>> unreasonable dipshit.
And I don't see anyone arguing against that.
+1
Yet the left argues tooth and nail about how we need to support
these migrants with taxpayer dollars. And the overall cost is huge.
Overall immigrants help the economy. Part of the reason our economy is
struggling is Trump's idiotic policies in that area.
Overall per history that is true.
However immigration in
the last 20 years or more is NOT comparable to your
relatives coming over on a boat and building America's
roads, bridges,tunnels and infrastructure, the vast
majority of whom immigrated legally.
On Nov 28, 2025 at 4:41:24PM MST, "pothead" wrote <10gdbv4$2snrh$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking ? you
can?t imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right
below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok.
Brock McNuggets / snit/ Michael Glasser is adding you to his patented snit circus.
Here is how it works:
"36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
"
You can find the official snit list here.
It's quite entertaining.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
At least I am not a white supremacist.
<683367db$9$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <6831d3ac$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <688ff1ad$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <6895600b$0$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pothead's posts echo white-supremacist rhetoric point for point. She may not call herself that, but her language repeats the same themes found in "Great Replacement" and ethnonationalist propaganda. A few examples:
Quote: "There is no number. Come one, come all. Criminals, terrorists, mental patients etc."
Dehumanizing immigrants, treating them as a criminal horde. This framing is identical to "invasion" propaganda used by white-nationalist groups. https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
Quote: "They want to destroy the country so they can rebuild with a global socialism means. They want to flood the country with people who will settle in
blue areas and ... gain control."
"Flooding" language is lifted straight from the Great Replacement conspiracy theory--the claim that elites import non-white immigrants to outnumber whites politically. https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory
Quote: "Do it legally and you are welcomed." / "They came here illegally, they
are criminals."
Boundary-drawing rhetoric used by organized nativist networks to equate illegality with moral corruption and inferiority. See SPLC on FAIR and other restrictionist groups. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/federation-american-immigration-reform
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
Quote: "Trump is going after these lazy grifters" / "a LOT of people gaming the system..."
Echoes the "welfare leech" trope. That stereotype has long been used to racialize poverty and build resentment against immigrants and minorities. https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-tucker-carlson-jonathan-greenblatt-immigration-3ef70ca8eff84dd2c424288be1cc2f48
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Quote: "Why are my tax dollars funding this?"
Classic "resource theft" framing--portraying minorities and immigrants as parasites stealing from "real" citizens. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Each of these aligns directly with extremist talking points documented by anti-hate researchers. Together they form the same structure: immigrants as invaders, elites as traitors, "real" citizens as victims. That's white-supremacist rhetoric whether she admits it or not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/27/25 23:44, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692921b9$6$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:56:57 PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<250iikltaig205qckn08bnrf2l9fhmt07v@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying
power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
If so then such jobs would be gone.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in
nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class
life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
The middle class is dying.
And you can blame the lefty elites for that.
Especially that bastion of liberalism ... Ronald Reagan!
-hh
In article <692a5c11$10$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 28, 2025 at 4:41:24 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<10gdbv4$2snrh$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote: >>>> On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving >>>>>>>>>> up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good >>>>>>>> in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking ? you
can?t imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right
below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok.
Brock McNuggets / snit/ Michael Glasser is adding you to his patented snit >>> circus.
Here is how it works:
"36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
"
You can find the official snit list here.
It's quite entertaining.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
At least I am not a white supremacist.
<683367db$9$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6831d3ac$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<688ff1ad$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6895600b$0$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pothead's posts echo white-supremacist rhetoric point for point. She may not >> call herself that, but her language repeats the same themes found in "Great >> Replacement" and ethnonationalist propaganda. A few examples:
Quote: "There is no number. Come one, come all. Criminals, terrorists, mental
patients etc."
Dehumanizing immigrants, treating them as a criminal horde. This framing is >> identical to "invasion" propaganda used by white-nationalist groups.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
Quote: "They want to destroy the country so they can rebuild with a global >> socialism means. They want to flood the country with people who will settle in
blue areas and ... gain control."
"Flooding" language is lifted straight from the Great Replacement conspiracy >> theory--the claim that elites import non-white immigrants to outnumber whites
politically.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory
Quote: "Do it legally and you are welcomed." / "They came here illegally, they
are criminals."
Boundary-drawing rhetoric used by organized nativist networks to equate
illegality with moral corruption and inferiority. See SPLC on FAIR and other >> restrictionist groups.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/federation-american-immigration-reform
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
Quote: "Trump is going after these lazy grifters" / "a LOT of people gaming >> the system..."
Echoes the "welfare leech" trope. That stereotype has long been used to
racialize poverty and build resentment against immigrants and minorities.
https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-tucker-carlson-jonathan-greenblatt-immigration-3ef70ca8eff84dd2c424288be1cc2f48
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Quote: "Why are my tax dollars funding this?"
Classic "resource theft" framing--portraying minorities and immigrants as
parasites stealing from "real" citizens.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Each of these aligns directly with extremist talking points documented by
anti-hate researchers. Together they form the same structure: immigrants as >> invaders, elites as traitors, "real" citizens as victims. That's
white-supremacist rhetoric whether she admits it or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep making this claim but apparently you are using AI
On Nov 30, 2025 at 7:36:54PM MST, "Johnson" wrote <MPG.4396c951dafbc2809896b9@usnews.blocknews.net>:
In article <692a5c11$10$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 28, 2025 at 4:41:24 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<10gdbv4$2snrh$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote: >>>> On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:Brock McNuggets / snit/ Michael Glasser is adding you to his patented snit
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good
in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking ? you
can?t imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right >>>> below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok. >>>
circus.
Here is how it works:
"36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
"
You can find the official snit list here.
It's quite entertaining.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
At least I am not a white supremacist.
<683367db$9$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6831d3ac$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<688ff1ad$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6895600b$0$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
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Pothead's posts echo white-supremacist rhetoric point for point. She may not
call herself that, but her language repeats the same themes found in "Great
Replacement" and ethnonationalist propaganda. A few examples:
Quote: "There is no number. Come one, come all. Criminals, terrorists, mental
patients etc."
Dehumanizing immigrants, treating them as a criminal horde. This framing is
identical to "invasion" propaganda used by white-nationalist groups.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
Quote: "They want to destroy the country so they can rebuild with a global >> socialism means. They want to flood the country with people who will settle in
blue areas and ... gain control."
"Flooding" language is lifted straight from the Great Replacement conspiracy
theory--the claim that elites import non-white immigrants to outnumber whites
politically.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory
Quote: "Do it legally and you are welcomed." / "They came here illegally, they
are criminals."
Boundary-drawing rhetoric used by organized nativist networks to equate
illegality with moral corruption and inferiority. See SPLC on FAIR and other
restrictionist groups.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/federation-american-immigration-reform
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
Quote: "Trump is going after these lazy grifters" / "a LOT of people gaming
the system..."
Echoes the "welfare leech" trope. That stereotype has long been used to
racialize poverty and build resentment against immigrants and minorities. >> https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-tucker-carlson-jonathan-greenblatt-immigration-3ef70ca8eff84dd2c424288be1cc2f48
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Quote: "Why are my tax dollars funding this?"
Classic "resource theft" framing--portraying minorities and immigrants as >> parasites stealing from "real" citizens.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Each of these aligns directly with extremist talking points documented by >> anti-hate researchers. Together they form the same structure: immigrants as
invaders, elites as traitors, "real" citizens as victims. That's
white-supremacist rhetoric whether she admits it or not.
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You keep making this claim but apparently you are using AI
I use evidence. With links. And quotes.
Denial does not change the facts.
On 2025-11-30, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 11/27/25 23:44, Barnacle Scully wrote:
In article <692921b9$6$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:56:57 PM MST, "chrisv" wrote
<250iikltaig205qckn08bnrf2l9fhmt07v@4ax.com>:
Alan wrote:
You don't think a minimum wage that has lost a third of it's buying >>>>>> power isn't "labor abuse"?
Obviously not, child, and finding a job that pays way more than
minimum wage is trivially easy.
If so then such jobs would be gone.
Funny how I can drive through town and town and see people living in >>>>> nice homes and nice cars and all the other trappings of middle-class >>>>> life in America, yet dipshits run it down and claim that only
billionaires benefit.
The middle class is dying.
And you can blame the lefty elites for that.
Especially that bastion of liberalism ... Ronald Reagan!
-hh
An argument can be made for both sides regarding Reagan good vs bad.
I was fresh out of college in my first job when Reagan was POTUS and--
I remember certain basic middle class typical deductions that
went away.
Interest on credit cards and loans for one.
Personally I liked Reagan's foreign policy but TBH he wasn't great for my bottom line.
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 30, 2025 at 7:36:54 PM MST, "Johnson" wrote
<MPG.4396c951dafbc2809896b9@usnews.blocknews.net>:
In article <692a5c11$10$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Nov 28, 2025 at 4:41:24 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<10gdbv4$2snrh$1@pothead.dont-email.me>:
On 2025-11-28, Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote: >>>>>> On 28 Nov 2025 23:00:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:Brock McNuggets / snit/ Michael Glasser is adding you to his patented snit
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2025 20:51:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 2025 at 1:49:14?PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote >>>>>>>>> <hv1kikhfmidmh6aiqhm3j65c7sa79lqmea@4ax.com>:
On 28 Nov 2025 19:41:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, Dummy, it's shrinking partly because many are moving
up....
Too bad that you missed that train.
Oh, I see -- so if you squint really hard at the top 19%, you can call the
middle class "shrinking" a sign of progress. Brilliant logic, LOL! Meanwhile,
the rest of us are still stuck in that 81% that didn't quite make the magical
"upper income" leap. Congrats to the lucky few --everyone else, keep missing
that train.
According to that Pew poll, 70% of USAians are like me, either upper >>>>>>>>>> or middle income. Like I said before, I have no concerns. Life is good
in my neighborhood.
That is very standard conservative thinking -- I and people who I identify
with are OK, so who cares about the rest. Liberals tend to want equal rights
for everyone, where conservatives promote special entitlements for themselves.
Nobody has infringed on your rights,
I said nothing of MY rights.
You're not included when you say "everyone?"
Again you show conservative thinking ? you
can?t imagine caring for the rights of others.
Nonsense, up above, I just expressly confirmed your rights... right >>>>>> below where you said that you and people who you identify with are ok. >>>>>
circus.
Here is how it works:
"36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
"
You can find the official snit list here.
It's quite entertaining.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
At least I am not a white supremacist.
<683367db$9$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6831d3ac$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<688ff1ad$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
<6895600b$0$10360$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Pothead's posts echo white-supremacist rhetoric point for point. She may not
call herself that, but her language repeats the same themes found in "Great
Replacement" and ethnonationalist propaganda. A few examples:
Quote: "There is no number. Come one, come all. Criminals, terrorists, mental
patients etc."
Dehumanizing immigrants, treating them as a criminal horde. This framing is
identical to "invasion" propaganda used by white-nationalist groups.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
Quote: "They want to destroy the country so they can rebuild with a global >>>> socialism means. They want to flood the country with people who will settle in
blue areas and ... gain control."
"Flooding" language is lifted straight from the Great Replacement conspiracy
theory--the claim that elites import non-white immigrants to outnumber whites
politically.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-great-replacement-theory-and-how-does-it-fuel-racist-violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory
Quote: "Do it legally and you are welcomed." / "They came here illegally, they
are criminals."
Boundary-drawing rhetoric used by organized nativist networks to equate >>>> illegality with moral corruption and inferiority. See SPLC on FAIR and other
restrictionist groups.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/federation-american-immigration-reform
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
Quote: "Trump is going after these lazy grifters" / "a LOT of people gaming
the system..."
Echoes the "welfare leech" trope. That stereotype has long been used to >>>> racialize poverty and build resentment against immigrants and minorities. >>>> https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-tucker-carlson-jonathan-greenblatt-immigration-3ef70ca8eff84dd2c424288be1cc2f48
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Quote: "Why are my tax dollars funding this?"
Classic "resource theft" framing--portraying minorities and immigrants as >>>> parasites stealing from "real" citizens.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/john-tanton
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/the-great-replacement-an-explainer
Each of these aligns directly with extremist talking points documented by >>>> anti-hate researchers. Together they form the same structure: immigrants as
invaders, elites as traitors, "real" citizens as victims. That's
white-supremacist rhetoric whether she admits it or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You keep making this claim but apparently you are using AI
I use evidence. With links. And quotes.
But your so called "evidence" is bogus.
I can post pages of "evidence" that proves OJ is innocent
but that doesn't make it so even though technically , by
trial he is.
Still doesn't change the facts.
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back
up your claims.
You are one hell of a liar.
How do you live with yourself?
These days we live in different, dangerous times.
Terrorism, industrial spying, radical Islam wanting to
kill people who do not agree with them, drug cartels,
human trafficking cartels, children sold into sex trades
or being worked to death in factories and such.
On 11/30/25 8:26 PM, Johnson wrote:
In article <692b88cc$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Overall immigrants help the economy. Part of the reason our economy is
struggling is Trump's idiotic policies in that area.
Overall per history that is true. However immigration in
the last 20 years or more is NOT comparable to your
relatives coming over on a boat and building America's
roads, bridges,tunnels and infrastructure, the vast
majority of whom immigrated legally. even more recently
migrants applied for work visas and citizenship while
working hard and contributing to the country.
And many did make a future for themselves achieving the
American Dream and the number of examples could fill the
Internet.
These days we live in different, dangerous times.
Terrorism, industrial spying, radical Islam wanting to
kill people who do not agree with them, drug cartels,
human trafficking cartels, children sold into sex trades
or being worked to death in factories and such.
And while immigrants in the past were taken advantage of
by unscrupulous people it is nowhere near, not even close
to what is happening currently.
The previous administration for example lost track of
hundreds of thousands of children
So when in the past has that happened?
When in the past have we had major cities overburdened
with debt in order to take care of migrants?
Under Busch?
No.
Under Obama?
No.
Under Biden?
Absolutely.
Under Trump?
The border is secure and encounters are at an all time
low.
No more caravans of migrants heading to the US.
Why not TRY to learn what is happening?
Why not open your eyes and look around you.
And in closing, getting back to the subject of this
thread, grifting the system which the left denies.
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15338767/somali-
fraudsters-minnesota-covid.html>
<https://justthenews.com/accountability/waste-fraud-and-
abuse/stunning-fraud-involving-somalis-minnesota-hand-gop-
political>
So please stop pulling the "we must help them all because
America is a country of immigrants" because you look like
a fool.
Your paranoia and xenophobia don't make a rational case against >migration/illegal immigration, in fact it makes the case that we need to >lighten up about it, run away from the demented, irrational thoughts
that lead to this isolating, miserly outlook. Illegal immigration was
good enough for the crackers who stole the land from the indigenous
people, why are they now claiming some greater right to be here than >newcomers? What a joke. We're going to open the borders permanently,
when we assassinate Trump
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 16:21:26 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Of course there are.
On 2025-11-24 16:35, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor SwillYou really think that there is a dispute that poor people are likely to
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other
violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
commit crimes?
No, there are people of all economic levels who commit crime.
On 2025-11-29 00:18, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 16:21:26 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Of course there are.
On 2025-11-24 16:35, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor SwillYou really think that there is a dispute that poor people are likely to
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic >>>>>>> racism has left many more black people poor...
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>>>> violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
commit crimes?
No, there are people of all economic levels who commit crime.
But are you seriously arguing that poor people don't have MORE reason to >commit crimes?
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the problem.
The belief among many poor people, and people like you who make
excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their minds, justify
their property crimes, and in some cases violent crimes, as well.
I have expressed (above) an opinion that poor people don't have more
reasons to commit *violent* crime.
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
I have expressed (above) an opinion that poor people don't have more
reasons to commit *violent* crime.
Well, they do, actually. "Property crimes" and violence often go
together. Who is more likely to rob a liquor store at gunpoint? Who
is more likely to "mug" someone? Who is more likely to break into a
home, risking a confrontation?
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the problem.
The belief among many poor people, and people like you who make
excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their minds, justify
their property crimes, and in some cases violent crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:24:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the problem.
The belief among many poor people, and people like you who make
excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their minds, justify
their property crimes, and in some cases violent crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
I'll bet Hollowhead irritates the attendants at his nursing home
regularly with his constantly changing the subject.
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:d18uik5caca1q3jlit11of8blui9dh698e@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:24:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the problem.
The belief among many poor people, and people like you who make
excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their minds, justify >>>> their property crimes, and in some cases violent crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
I'll bet Hollowhead irritates the attendants at his nursing home
regularly with his constantly changing the subject.
You didn't answer the question.
And speaking of nursing homes........
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and interests of the individual are emphasized. https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
A collectivist is someone who is content to give up his rights and
interests and be subordinant to the group's leader, Such people are
commonly referred to as"sheeple."
Collectivism is for losers
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
On Dec 2, 2025 at 7:29:50AM MST, "chrisv" wrote <ppttik92hci58opkm9pvm7prgaiongk337@4ax.com>:
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
I have expressed (above) an opinion that poor people don't have more
reasons to commit *violent* crime.
Well, they do, actually. "Property crimes" and violence often go
together. Who is more likely to rob a liquor store at gunpoint? Who
is more likely to "mug" someone? Who is more likely to break into a
home, risking a confrontation?
There's also the issue of what we choose to count as violent crime.
Wealthy
corporations routinely make decisions that kill or injure people ?- cutting safety corners, ignoring warnings, or pushing out products they know are dangerous because it?s cheaper than fixing the problem. When poor people cause
physical harm, we call it violent crime. When rich people cause physical harm,
we call it a regulatory violation. And when they are held accountable, it's usually a fine that costs far less than what they made from the harm. The damage is still violent -- we just don?t classify it that way.
On Dec 2, 2025 at 12:06:29 PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote <ovduikhv0rm9k5se7fmsnfjvdvit2fu14d@4ax.com>:
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
A collectivist is someone who is content to give up his rights and
interests and be subordinant to the group's leader, Such people are
commonly referred to as"sheeple."
Collectivism is for losers
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader" -- that's authoritarianism -- and right wingers are more open to authoritarianism.
You have things completely backward.
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 2, 2025 at 12:06:29 PM MST, "Collectivists_Always_Fail" wrote
<ovduikhv0rm9k5se7fmsnfjvdvit2fu14d@4ax.com>:
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
A collectivist is someone who is content to give up his rights and
interests and be subordinant to the group's leader, Such people are
commonly referred to as"sheeple."
Collectivism is for losers
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader" -- that's
authoritarianism -- and right wingers are more open to authoritarianism.
You have things completely backward.
It's following the herd no matter the personal cost.
The progressives are very good at it.--
So are socialists.
Marxist's and Communists.
All are other descriptions of the democrats.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 20:48:37 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-29 00:18, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 16:21:26 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Of course there are.
On 2025-11-24 16:35, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:18:49 -0500, Governor SwillYou really think that there is a dispute that poor people are likely to >>>> commit crimes?
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:57:58 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
<MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 13:43:36 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 2025-11-24 12:59, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 24 Nov 2025 17:36:45 GMT, Brock McNuggetsMight be that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and systemic
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025 at 10:04:35?AM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <10g2377$2itjo$1@dont-email.me>:
And how about this:
<https://www.voronoiapp.com/crime/Mapped-Police-Violence-by-State-3969>
Excellent resource I was not aware of. Thanks.
might be because black people are more likely to commit crimes and to >>>>>>>>> forcibly resist arrest
racism has left many more black people poor...
You think being poor is a justification for murder, rape, and other >>>>>>> violent crime?
Justification, no. Cause, yes.
Assumes "facts' not in evidence.
No, there are people of all economic levels who commit crime.
But are you seriously arguing that poor people don't have MORE reason to
commit crimes?
Wrong... Actually, I've merely expressed my opinions which seems to
upset you leftists. For me to argue, I'd have to care what you loony
leftists believe and feel a need to try to change your minds.
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:24:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>Amazing.
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in
news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the problem.
The belief among many poor people, and people like you who make
excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their minds, justify
their property crimes, and in some cases violent crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
I'll bet Hollowhead irritates the attendants at his nursing home
regularly with his constantly changing the subject.
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires compliance.
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader" -- that's
authoritarianism -- and right wingers are more open to authoritarianism.
You have things completely backward.
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires compliance.
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires
compliance.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires
compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized. https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires
compliance.
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires
compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:05:13 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:That's the best you can do? Really?
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires >>>>> compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
<chuckles> Do you really believe that those entities don't have any
leaders?
On 2025-12-02 15:13, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:05:13 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:That's the best you can do? Really?
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires >>>>>> compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
<chuckles> Do you really believe that those entities don't have any
leaders?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:14:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Is that what you think happened?
On 2025-12-02 15:13, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:05:13 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:That's the best you can do? Really?
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires >>>>>>> compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity >>>>> such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism >>>>> may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and >>>>> interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
<chuckles> Do you really believe that those entities don't have any
leaders?
It didn't take much to put you down. I didn't want to overkill.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:05:13 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires >>>>> compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
<chuckles> Do you really believe that those entities don't have any
leaders?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader"
That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires
compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which
the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity
such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism
may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and
interests of the individual are emphasized. https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience
are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying
to make other people obey their demands.
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 18:56:36 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>news:d18uik5caca1q3jlit11of8blui9dh698e@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:24:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>>news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the
problem. The belief among many poor people, and people like you
who make excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their
minds, justify their property crimes, and in some cases violent
crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
I'll bet Hollowhead irritates the attendants at his nursing home
regularly with his constantly changing the subject.
You didn't answer the question.
Correct... Hollowhead a finally got something right.
And speaking of nursing homes........
...another change of subject...
On 2025-12-02 15:17, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:14:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Is that what you think happened?
On 2025-12-02 15:13, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:05:13 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:That's the best you can do? Really?
On 2025-12-02 14:57, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 14:39:18 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you see the words "social collectivity" and "state", "nation",
On 2025-12-02 12:53, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
On 02 Dec 2025 20:31:11 GMT, Brock McNuggetsUmmmmm...nope.
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Collectivism doesn't mean "giving up your rights to a leader" >>>>>>>>That's exactly what happens with collectivism. Collectivism requires >>>>>>>> compliance.
"Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which >>>>>> the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity >>>>>> such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism >>>>>> may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and >>>>>> interests of the individual are emphasized.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/collectivism
See where it says "subordinate," dimwit?
"race", and "social class"?
You do? Good!
Now... ...do you see the word...
..."leader"?
<chuckles> Do you really believe that those entities don't have any
leaders?
It didn't take much to put you down. I didn't want to overkill.
How cute!
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >news:ovduikhv0rm9k5se7fmsnfjvdvit2fu14d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 18:56:36 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>news:d18uik5caca1q3jlit11of8blui9dh698e@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 14:24:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> wrote:
Collectivists_Always_Fail <MeanDog@stonewall.Dash> wrote in >>>>>news:073tikp2ttfslj2cou7ujd771cmch2v4h0@4ax.com:
It's my opinion that underlying culture another part of the
problem. The belief among many poor people, and people like you
who make excuses for them, that they are victims which, in their
minds, justify their property crimes, and in some cases violent
crimes, as well.
What justifies the property crimes of the rich?
I'll bet Hollowhead irritates the attendants at his nursing home
regularly with his constantly changing the subject.
You didn't answer the question.
Correct... Hollowhead a finally got something right.
And speaking of nursing homes........
...another change of subject...
YOU brought up the subject of nursing homes,
remember?
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back
up your claims.
You are one hell of a liar.
How do you live with yourself?
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitwhopperlie>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-teddybear>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitonduck>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitongoogle>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse1>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse2>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse3>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse4>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse5>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse6>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse7>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse8>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse9>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse10>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse11>
Johnson <lostmyemail@quick.net>
Can you please take your rants elsewhere and not use them to invade FOUR separate groups?
I admit I often have responded to such, and my responses can be seen as
a part of the problem. Not even saying I will never do so again, but
unless you have something new -- something that has not been countered a dozen times -- please move to new material.
Now you go and find some old source code you don't understand and ask
for Snits advice concerning it? The idiot didn't even realize what
you were asking about and provided you no answer.
David has asked you to check it against phone book urls he shared
with you.
This is a direct lie from you. He did no such thing.
I am well aware that those who seek to attack do so out of their own weaknesses and insecurities. Even with those I disagree with, say
Gremlin and Carroll, I try to note good things about them... and am
sincere when I do so. And even when I am not nice in responding to
trolling I am honest, and I try to not sink to their level.
Perhaps you can match the number you have with the businesses you can
read about here?
https://www.yellowpages.com/johnson-city-tn/computer-stores
On Aug 12, 2020 at 12:19:32 AM MST, "David_B" <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Perhaps you can match the number you have with the businesses you can
read about here?
https://www.yellowpages.com/johnson-city-tn/computer-stores
Not there.
OK. Thanks for looking.
Please try here:-
https://www.yellowpages.com/kingsport-tn/computer-stores
121 results! Sorry there are so many to check.
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:693196da$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Thu, 04 Dec 2025 14:12:42
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Can you please take your rants elsewhere and not use them to invade FOUR
separate groups?
Snit, I'll make a deal with you. You apologize for writing the following
lies about me, I'll leave you to eat as much Jenkem as you like.
I admit I often have responded to such, and my responses can be seen as
a part of the problem. Not even saying I will never do so again, but
unless you have something new -- something that has not been countered a
dozen times -- please move to new material.
Writing lies about people tends to cause problems for you, Snit.
So, here's some shit you wrote about me that isn't and never was true.
When do you suppose you'll own upto what you did and apologize?
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On 5/7/20 9:36 PM, Diesel wrote:
....
Now you go and find some old source code you don't understand and ask
for Snits advice concerning it? The idiot didn't even realize what
you were asking about and provided you no answer.
Ah, more trolling of me by you. So more reminding you of your past
nonsense.
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Diesel
<XnsAB6D6F1BFA61HT1@3dOIZISX3.IwU6R1OH8iz29MMTN26bF08TPFtT157gyFB5>:
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Snit, if you're running the bot you have an easy way out
that won't cost you any respect, face, or anything else.
Just stop. That's it. Simple right?
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Johnson <lostmyemail@quick.net> news:MPG.4396d26a8f73c0b59896ba@usnews.blocknews.net Mon, 01 Dec 2025 03:15:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back up your
claims.
He's been told this many times by a variety of people. He ignores them
all and continues to post the bullshit he calls 'evidence' or 'receipts'
and he will continue doing so. It's what he does. It's part of his
newsgroup destructive routine. He follows a simple concept. Repeat the
bs often enough, it'll convince someone it's true.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
How do you live with yourself?
Sadly, you're completely wasting your time. The majority of the regulars
here are all well aware of him and generally ignore him. He thrives on
any responses. even the negative ones. It allows him to repeat himself,
ad nausem. It's the attention he seeks, good or bad, it's the attention. You're actually contributing to his efforts by calling him out. It took
me a bit of time to come to this realization myself. I was warned by
another new comer at the time to the newsgroup what he was actually
about, but, I didn't listen to the sound advice. I engaged and defended myself. Which is exactly what Snit wanted - I was feeding him. Just as
you presently are.
None of snits so called 'evidence' backs his claims and they never will.
He completely fabricated a story about me and then morphed what he did.
At no time does he accept any responsibility for what he writes. It's
always the other person. Always. You cannot reason with Snit. It's not
why he's here. It's just the attention he seeks, and as long as you
respond, you're giving him exactly what he wants.
Some of us have found that not directly responding to him, but
discussing him, as i'm doing with you irks him to no end - to the point
where other newsgroups have relieved themselves of him. If he can't get
the attention and the back and forth bullshit, he pisses off -
eventually. I strongly encourage you to proceed as the majority of us
have been doing.
I'm guilty recently of having directly responded to some of his nonsense
-
He likes to bait people into responses by doing what you've seen him repeatedly do towards Pothead. He will continue to bait you as well. A response is what he seeks, and he'll play this game with you until you
catch onto what's up and treat him as he should be - not directly
responded to, but discussed amongst ourselves.
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this
for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care
that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
Here's some additional links you might find of interest. You can
actually sample nearly any post from him and match it up to the snitlies methods link. He's that well known and his method is that well known.
He's been doing this for decades and has no intentions of stopping. When enough people ignore him, he pisses off to yet another newsgroup and
starts his bullshit all over again. It's what he does.
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitwhopperlie>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-teddybear> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitonduck>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitongoogle>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse1>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse2>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse3>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse4>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse5>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse6>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse7>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse8>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse9>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse10>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse11>
Those links explain exactly what kind of person he is and why he does
what he does. Your efforts to call him out for the lies he repeatedly
writes about others is noble, but, it's ignored by him. It allows him to
do what he's doing. It's best not to respond directly to him. It's not
always easy though, especially when you have him dead to rights lying
his ass off. He will just play stupid and repeat himself. The thing is,
he's not playing stupid. He is rather stupid.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 04:59:30 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
Johnson <lostmyemail@quick.net>
news:MPG.4396d26a8f73c0b59896ba@usnews.blocknews.net Mon, 01 Dec 2025
03:15:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back up your
claims.
He's been told this many times by a variety of people. He ignores them
all and continues to post the bullshit he calls 'evidence' or 'receipts'
and he will continue doing so. It's what he does. It's part of his
newsgroup destructive routine. He follows a simple concept. Repeat the
bs often enough, it'll convince someone it's true.
It didn't take Johnson long to figure out the snit troll.
He's dissected snit like a board certified surgeon.
Johnson posts in one of the Linux system admin groups frequently and is
well respected.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
Yea.
Experience is the best teacher.
How do you live with yourself?
Sadly, you're completely wasting your time. The majority of the regulars
here are all well aware of him and generally ignore him. He thrives on
any responses. even the negative ones. It allows him to repeat himself,
ad nausem. It's the attention he seeks, good or bad, it's the attention.
You're actually contributing to his efforts by calling him out. It took
me a bit of time to come to this realization myself. I was warned by
another new comer at the time to the newsgroup what he was actually
about, but, I didn't listen to the sound advice. I engaged and defended
myself. Which is exactly what Snit wanted - I was feeding him. Just as
you presently are.
None of snits so called 'evidence' backs his claims and they never will.
He completely fabricated a story about me and then morphed what he did.
At no time does he accept any responsibility for what he writes. It's
always the other person. Always. You cannot reason with Snit. It's not
why he's here. It's just the attention he seeks, and as long as you
respond, you're giving him exactly what he wants.
I've had some down time recently and for lack of any better way to waste
my time I decided to check out some of snit's claims against you, Gremlin, Steve Carroll and Pothead and after thoroughly visiting the links and
Message ID's that snit posted it quickly became obvious that snit is lying and his links by any reasonable interpretation have absolutely zero confirmation of his claims.
Examples include his claims you had the source code to snit's flooding
bot.
Steve Carroll stating the .gov site claimed snit had an order of
protection filed against him by his ex wife Anne Glasser.
It was pure speculation on Steve Carroll's part, a what if, and Steve
Carroll clearly said that.
Pothead being a racist bigot. Not even close. Snit fed list of statements Pothead has made, like people who are not legal citizens of the U.S. ,
should not be given Medicaid, free cell phones and things like that.
Whoopee Einstein.
The vast majority of Americans believe the same thing.
Are they bigots and racists, white supremacists as well?
That's snit's faulty logic in action.
Some of us have found that not directly responding to him, but
discussing him, as i'm doing with you irks him to no end - to the point
where other newsgroups have relieved themselves of him. If he can't get
the attention and the back and forth bullshit, he pisses off -
eventually. I strongly encourage you to proceed as the majority of us
have been doing.
Snit responds to me even though I rarely respond to him.
He is scored down in pan.
He seems to crave attention even when it is negative.
That seems obtuse to me.
I'm guilty recently of having directly responded to some of his nonsense
-
He likes to bait people into responses by doing what you've seen him
repeatedly do towards Pothead. He will continue to bait you as well. A
response is what he seeks, and he'll play this game with you until you
catch onto what's up and treat him as he should be - not directly
responded to, but discussed amongst ourselves.
That's how snit operates.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with correcting his lies, and there are plenty
to correct.
And for those of you who snit has used your real name, you have a very
good legal case against snit for defamation.
Nyms like Pothead or mine Glock have less of a case unless that nym is
well known on blogs, as a digital creator and situations like that.
That doesn't apply to me but maybe to Pothead, I can't say.
He seems like he laughs off snit and finds snit entertaining.
Again, just an observation.
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this
for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
100% true.
The regulars in the gun groups that snit infiltrated spotted this early
on.
It's how snit rolls.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care
that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
I've noticed that.
Most of Usenet, technical discussions excepted, is about an 8th grade
reading level so it's sad that snit fails so often to comprehend what he
is reading and replying to.
And when he fucks up he rarely makes a full apology but somehow manages to drag others into his apology.
It's weird.
Here's some additional links you might find of interest. You can
actually sample nearly any post from him and match it up to the snitlies
methods link. He's that well known and his method is that well known.
He's been doing this for decades and has no intentions of stopping. When
enough people ignore him, he pisses off to yet another newsgroup and
starts his bullshit all over again. It's what he does.
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods> >>>> <https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitwhopperlie>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-teddybear> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitonduck>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitongoogle>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse1>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse2>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse3>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse4>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse5>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse6>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse7>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse8>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse9>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse10>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse11>
Those links explain exactly what kind of person he is and why he does
what he does. Your efforts to call him out for the lies he repeatedly
writes about others is noble, but, it's ignored by him. It allows him to
do what he's doing. It's best not to respond directly to him. It's not
always easy though, especially when you have him dead to rights lying
his ass off. He will just play stupid and repeat himself. The thing is,
he's not playing stupid. He is rather stupid.
It's actually hilarious when snit claims nobody can quote his lies or poor behavior.
He is delusional.
Whatever drugs he is taking must be quite potent.
The great system of capitalism caused depressions every 20 years
culminating in the Great Depression. To save capitalism FDR muzzled it
which prevented catastrophes until Reagan removed the muzzle. Anyone
still do business with FSLIC?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 04:59:30 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
It didn't take Johnson long to figure out the snit troll.
He's dissected snit like a board certified surgeon.
Johnson posts in one of the Linux system admin groups frequently and is
well respected.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
Yea.
Experience is the best teacher.
I've had some down time recently and for lack of any better way to waste
my time I decided to check out some of snit's claims against you, Gremlin, Steve Carroll and Pothead and after thoroughly visiting the links and Message ID's that snit posted it quickly became obvious that snit is lying and his links by any reasonable interpretation have absolutely zero confirmation of his claims.
Examples include his claims you had the source code to snit's flooding
bot.
Steve Carroll stating the .gov site claimed snit had an order of
protection filed against him by his ex wife Anne Glasser.
It was pure speculation on Steve Carroll's part, a what if, and Steve Carroll clearly said that.
Pothead being a racist bigot. Not even close. Snit fed list of statements Pothead has made, like people who are not legal citizens of the U.S. , should not be given Medicaid, free cell phones and things like that.
Whoopee Einstein.
The vast majority of Americans believe the same thing.
Are they bigots and racists, white supremacists as well?
That's snit's faulty logic in action.
That's how snit operates.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with correcting his lies, and there are plenty to correct.
And for those of you who snit has used your real name, you have a very
good legal case against snit for defamation.
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this
for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
100% true.
The regulars in the gun groups that snit infiltrated spotted this early
on.
It's how snit rolls.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care
that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
I've noticed that.
Most of Usenet, technical discussions excepted, is about an 8th grade reading level so it's sad that snit fails so often to comprehend what he
is reading and replying to.
And when he fucks up he rarely makes a full apology but somehow manages to drag others into his apology.
It's weird.
It's actually hilarious when snit claims nobody can quote his lies or poor behavior.
He is delusional.
Whatever drugs he is taking must be quite potent.
On Dec 4, 2025 at 5:18:59 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3ABC47F0C9E7HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Writing lies about people tends to cause problems for you, Snit.
You make accusations and lie. And then get called out. And as you say, that leads to problems.
Why not just move on in peace?
That is my quoting you.
<snipped the rest... learn to get to a damned point!?
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:693225ae$1$21959$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Fri, 05 Dec 2025 00:22:06 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On Dec 4, 2025 at 5:18:59 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3ABC47F0C9E7HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Writing lies about people tends to cause problems for you, Snit.
You make accusations and lie. And then get called out. And as you say, that >> leads to problems.
That's a rather weak spin, Snit.
Charlie Glock <charlieglock@localhost.com> news:693258cf$3$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Fri, 05 Dec 2025 04:00:15 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 04:59:30 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
It didn't take Johnson long to figure out the snit troll.
He's dissected snit like a board certified surgeon.
Johnson posts in one of the Linux system admin groups frequently and is
well respected.
I've noticed. :) I did a little quick check on the nym. Smart individual and well respected as you wrote.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
Yea.
Experience is the best teacher.
It can be, it doesn't have to be. For example, One doesn't need to know what an explosive device will do to them by experiencing it for themselves. In those cases, experience is a hard way to learn. :)
I've had some down time recently and for lack of any better way to waste
my time I decided to check out some of snit's claims against you, Gremlin, >> Steve Carroll and Pothead and after thoroughly visiting the links and
Message ID's that snit posted it quickly became obvious that snit is lying >> and his links by any reasonable interpretation have absolutely zero
confirmation of his claims.
No doubt about it.
Examples include his claims you had the source code to snit's flooding
bot.
Steve Carroll stating the .gov site claimed snit had an order of
protection filed against him by his ex wife Anne Glasser.
It was pure speculation on Steve Carroll's part, a what if, and Steve
Carroll clearly said that.
Pothead being a racist bigot. Not even close. Snit fed list of statements
Pothead has made, like people who are not legal citizens of the U.S. ,
should not be given Medicaid, free cell phones and things like that.
Whoopee Einstein.
The vast majority of Americans believe the same thing.
Are they bigots and racists, white supremacists as well?
That's snit's faulty logic in action.
Faulty logic and severe reading comprehension issues all rolled into one!
That's how snit operates.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with correcting his lies, and there are plenty >> to correct.
True, but, it does tend to piss some people off when it's done. I suspect, but cannot confirm that they grow tired of it repeatedly happening?
And for those of you who snit has used your real name, you have a very
good legal case against snit for defamation.
Also true, but, Snit isn't in a financial position to be able to pay any
fees awarded. Possibly another reason he does it?
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this >>> for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
100% true.
The regulars in the gun groups that snit infiltrated spotted this early
on.
It's how snit rolls.
Without a doubt.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care >>> that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
I've noticed that.
Most of Usenet, technical discussions excepted, is about an 8th grade
reading level so it's sad that snit fails so often to comprehend what he
is reading and replying to.
FAS possibly? He's claimed that he suffers with it.
And when he fucks up he rarely makes a full apology but somehow manages to >> drag others into his apology.
It's weird.
I've seen one of his so called apologies. It didn't mention what he did or who he was apologizing to. In that case it should have been to me for
falsely stating that I'd written a direct lie about David Brooks. Snit completely avoided taking any accountability for what he wrote about me. The lie he wrote about me specifically. He also didn't deal with the other lie
he wrote that David didn't do as I'd written. Snits reply was only two fucking lines man, and he lied in both! WTF?!? :)
It's actually hilarious when snit claims nobody can quote his lies or poor >> behavior.
He is delusional.
Whatever drugs he is taking must be quite potent.
He needs to be dealt with as one would be on a jobsite when they wanted to run their mouths. That would adjust his attitude...Sometimes an individual cannot learn any other way.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 04:59:30 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
Johnson <lostmyemail@quick.net>
news:MPG.4396d26a8f73c0b59896ba@usnews.blocknews.net Mon, 01 Dec 2025
03:15:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back up your
claims.
He's been told this many times by a variety of people. He ignores them
all and continues to post the bullshit he calls 'evidence' or 'receipts'
and he will continue doing so. It's what he does. It's part of his
newsgroup destructive routine. He follows a simple concept. Repeat the
bs often enough, it'll convince someone it's true.
It didn't take Johnson long to figure out the snit troll.
He's dissected snit like a board certified surgeon.
Johnson posts in one of the Linux system admin groups frequently and is
well respected.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
Yea.
Experience is the best teacher.
How do you live with yourself?
Sadly, you're completely wasting your time. The majority of the regulars
here are all well aware of him and generally ignore him. He thrives on
any responses. even the negative ones. It allows him to repeat himself,
ad nausem. It's the attention he seeks, good or bad, it's the attention.
You're actually contributing to his efforts by calling him out. It took
me a bit of time to come to this realization myself. I was warned by
another new comer at the time to the newsgroup what he was actually
about, but, I didn't listen to the sound advice. I engaged and defended
myself. Which is exactly what Snit wanted - I was feeding him. Just as
you presently are.
None of snits so called 'evidence' backs his claims and they never will.
He completely fabricated a story about me and then morphed what he did.
At no time does he accept any responsibility for what he writes. It's
always the other person. Always. You cannot reason with Snit. It's not
why he's here. It's just the attention he seeks, and as long as you
respond, you're giving him exactly what he wants.
I've had some down time recently and for lack of any better way to waste
my time I decided to check out some of snit's claims against you, Gremlin, Steve Carroll and Pothead and after thoroughly visiting the links and Message ID's that snit posted it quickly became obvious that snit is lying and his links by any reasonable interpretation have absolutely zero confirmation of his claims.
Examples include his claims you had the source code to snit's flooding
bot.
Steve Carroll stating the .gov site claimed snit had an order of
protection filed against him by his ex wife Anne Glasser.
It was pure speculation on Steve Carroll's part, a what if, and Steve Carroll clearly said that.
Pothead being a racist bigot. Not even close. Snit fed list of statements Pothead has made, like people who are not legal citizens of the U.S. , should not be given Medicaid, free cell phones and things like that.
Whoopee Einstein.
The vast majority of Americans believe the same thing.
Are they bigots and racists, white supremacists as well?
That's snit's faulty logic in action.
Some of us have found that not directly responding to him, but
discussing him, as i'm doing with you irks him to no end - to the point
where other newsgroups have relieved themselves of him. If he can't get
the attention and the back and forth bullshit, he pisses off -
eventually. I strongly encourage you to proceed as the majority of us
have been doing.
Snit responds to me even though I rarely respond to him.
He is scored down in pan.
He seems to crave attention even when it is negative.
That seems obtuse to me.
I'm guilty recently of having directly responded to some of his nonsense
-
He likes to bait people into responses by doing what you've seen him
repeatedly do towards Pothead. He will continue to bait you as well. A
response is what he seeks, and he'll play this game with you until you
catch onto what's up and treat him as he should be - not directly
responded to, but discussed amongst ourselves.
That's how snit operates.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with correcting his lies, and there are plenty to correct.
And for those of you who snit has used your real name, you have a very
good legal case against snit for defamation.
Nyms like Pothead or mine Glock have less of a case unless that nym is
well known on blogs, as a digital creator and situations like that.
That doesn't apply to me but maybe to Pothead, I can't say.
He seems like he laughs off snit and finds snit entertaining.
Again, just an observation.
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this
for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
100% true.
The regulars in the gun groups that snit infiltrated spotted this early
on.
It's how snit rolls.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care
that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
I've noticed that.
Most of Usenet, technical discussions excepted, is about an 8th grade reading level so it's sad that snit fails so often to comprehend what he
is reading and replying to.
And when he fucks up he rarely makes a full apology but somehow manages to drag others into his apology.
It's weird.
Here's some additional links you might find of interest. You can
actually sample nearly any post from him and match it up to the snitlies
methods link. He's that well known and his method is that well known.
He's been doing this for decades and has no intentions of stopping. When
enough people ignore him, he pisses off to yet another newsgroup and
starts his bullshit all over again. It's what he does.
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods> >>>> <https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitwhopperlie>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-teddybear> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitonduck>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitongoogle>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse1>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse2>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse3>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse4>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse5>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse6>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse7>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse8>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse9>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse10>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse11>
Those links explain exactly what kind of person he is and why he does
what he does. Your efforts to call him out for the lies he repeatedly
writes about others is noble, but, it's ignored by him. It allows him to
do what he's doing. It's best not to respond directly to him. It's not
always easy though, especially when you have him dead to rights lying
his ass off. He will just play stupid and repeat himself. The thing is,
he's not playing stupid. He is rather stupid.
It's actually hilarious when snit claims nobody can quote his lies or poor behavior.
He is delusional.
Whatever drugs he is taking must be quite potent.
On 2025-12-05, Charlie Glock <charlieglock@localhost.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 04:59:30 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
Johnson <lostmyemail@quick.net>
news:MPG.4396d26a8f73c0b59896ba@usnews.blocknews.net Mon, 01 Dec 2025
03:15:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
In article <692d0331$2$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
Denial does not change the facts.
I'm not denying anything.
I'm simply stating that your evidence does in no way back up your
claims.
He's been told this many times by a variety of people. He ignores them
all and continues to post the bullshit he calls 'evidence' or 'receipts' >>> and he will continue doing so. It's what he does. It's part of his
newsgroup destructive routine. He follows a simple concept. Repeat the
bs often enough, it'll convince someone it's true.
It didn't take Johnson long to figure out the snit troll.
He's dissected snit like a board certified surgeon.
Johnson posts in one of the Linux system admin groups frequently and is
well respected.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
Johnson seems intelligent, writes well without ai and figured snit out rather quickly which is eating at snit as he tries to recover.
At this point snit can't put Humpty Dumpty (snit Brock) back together again so
he will resort to one of his one liners like boring or accusing people of being socks
which is a claim snit never seems to prove.
You are one hell of a liar.
Some of us are well aware of this. Others have to learn this about him
the hard way. By the time they realize they've been snookered, and
snookered well, it's already too late.
Yea.
Experience is the best teacher.
In some cases.
Snit's been trolling for decades and he knows how to rope people into his snit rodeo.
People as a rule tend to be trusting and snit relies on that characteristic to
run
his troll farm.
How do you live with yourself?
Sadly, you're completely wasting your time. The majority of the regulars >>> here are all well aware of him and generally ignore him. He thrives on
any responses. even the negative ones. It allows him to repeat himself,
ad nausem. It's the attention he seeks, good or bad, it's the attention. >>> You're actually contributing to his efforts by calling him out. It took
me a bit of time to come to this realization myself. I was warned by
another new comer at the time to the newsgroup what he was actually
about, but, I didn't listen to the sound advice. I engaged and defended
myself. Which is exactly what Snit wanted - I was feeding him. Just as
you presently are.
None of snits so called 'evidence' backs his claims and they never will. >>> He completely fabricated a story about me and then morphed what he did.
At no time does he accept any responsibility for what he writes. It's
always the other person. Always. You cannot reason with Snit. It's not
why he's here. It's just the attention he seeks, and as long as you
respond, you're giving him exactly what he wants.
I've had some down time recently and for lack of any better way to waste
my time I decided to check out some of snit's claims against you, Gremlin, >> Steve Carroll and Pothead and after thoroughly visiting the links and
Message ID's that snit posted it quickly became obvious that snit is lying >> and his links by any reasonable interpretation have absolutely zero
confirmation of his claims.
Several other posters have reached the same conclusions.
Snit's tactic is to toss everything possible at the wall and see
what sticks.
So far nothing is sticking as even his supporters, all 2 of them, refuse
to back snit.
Examples include his claims you had the source code to snit's flooding
bot.
Snit's horrid reading comprehension strikes again and once snit is proved
to be obviously wrong, instead of a polite mea culpa he will double
down on his lies.
Steve Carroll stating the .gov site claimed snit had an order of
protection filed against him by his ex wife Anne Glasser.
It was pure speculation on Steve Carroll's part, a what if, and Steve
Carroll clearly said that.
That is true.
Someone posted a screenshot of snit's criminal harassment case.
Others saw it while it was on the gov site before it was removed.
Snit can deny this all he likes but the facts prove him wrong. They always do.
Pothead being a racist bigot. Not even close. Snit fed list of statements
Pothead has made, like people who are not legal citizens of the U.S. ,
should not be given Medicaid, free cell phones and things like that.
Whoopee Einstein.
The vast majority of Americans believe the same thing.
Are they bigots and racists, white supremacists as well?
That's snit's faulty logic in action.
Pretty much.
Snit gets all wound up when the topic of people leeching off the government is broached.
And that's because he is one of the government leeches himself.
Snit has been scamming the US government for years.
He refuses to work but instead expects the working taxpayers to finance him and his trolling.
Some of us have found that not directly responding to him, but
discussing him, as i'm doing with you irks him to no end - to the point
where other newsgroups have relieved themselves of him. If he can't get
the attention and the back and forth bullshit, he pisses off -
eventually. I strongly encourage you to proceed as the majority of us
have been doing.
Snit responds to me even though I rarely respond to him.
He is scored down in pan.
He seems to crave attention even when it is negative.
That seems obtuse to me.
Snit would eat dog poop on a live stream if he was assured it would get him attention.
He's basically a lunatic with serious mental problems.
I'm guilty recently of having directly responded to some of his nonsense >>> -
He likes to bait people into responses by doing what you've seen him
repeatedly do towards Pothead. He will continue to bait you as well. A
response is what he seeks, and he'll play this game with you until you
catch onto what's up and treat him as he should be - not directly
responded to, but discussed amongst ourselves.
That's how snit operates.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with correcting his lies, and there are plenty >> to correct.
It would be a full time job!
And for those of you who snit has used your real name, you have a very
good legal case against snit for defamation.
Nyms like Pothead or mine Glock have less of a case unless that nym is
well known on blogs, as a digital creator and situations like that.
That doesn't apply to me but maybe to Pothead, I can't say.
He seems like he laughs off snit and finds snit entertaining.
Again, just an observation.
I find his accusations against me to be highly entertaining.
From the day he started his little Google seed game, it's been a
primer in how snit morphs his stories, changes his statements and lies profusely.
So in my case, I went from supporting Hitler to using white supremacist rhetoric.
It's laughable and I actually have saved the msg-ids documenting how snit kept
changing and morphing his story.
I'm saving it for a rainy day when with some additional information I'll lower
the boom on snit.
He will latch onto this reply of mine and do the same thing you've
already seen with Pothead. Feel free to check out his so called
'receipts' towards me - You'll find it's the same thing he's been doing
with Pothead. He gets off on doing this shit. Eventually you'll see this >>> for yourself, if you haven't already started to suspect it. He knows
what he posts about Pothead, Steve Carroll (SC), myself, and others is
all bullshit - it doesn't matter to him as long as a response is coming.
100% true.
The regulars in the gun groups that snit infiltrated spotted this early
on.
It's how snit rolls.
Snit is ignorant but even he won't mess with gun enthusiasts.
He baits people into responding, to call him out. He really doesn't care >>> that you do. He's only interested in a response from you. He has a
severe problem with reading comprehension as well - I suspect you've
noticed that already.
I've noticed that.
Most of Usenet, technical discussions excepted, is about an 8th grade
reading level so it's sad that snit fails so often to comprehend what he
is reading and replying to.
Snit's reading comprehension ability is 3rd grade level on a good day.
He claims to have multiple college degrees which I find interesting.
And when he fucks up he rarely makes a full apology but somehow manages to >> drag others into his apology.
It's weird.
Snit is a very strange duck.
Here's some additional links you might find of interest. You can
actually sample nearly any post from him and match it up to the snitlies >>> methods link. He's that well known and his method is that well known.
He's been doing this for decades and has no intentions of stopping. When >>> enough people ignore him, he pisses off to yet another newsgroup and
starts his bullshit all over again. It's what he does.
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods> >>>>> <https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitwhopperlie>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snit-teddybear> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitonduck> >>>>> <https://tinyurl.com/Snitongoogle>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse1>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse2>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse3>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse4>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse5>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse6>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse7>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse8>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse9>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse10>
<https://tinyurl.com/Snitdrugabuse11>
Those links explain exactly what kind of person he is and why he does
what he does. Your efforts to call him out for the lies he repeatedly
writes about others is noble, but, it's ignored by him. It allows him to >>> do what he's doing. It's best not to respond directly to him. It's not
always easy though, especially when you have him dead to rights lying
his ass off. He will just play stupid and repeat himself. The thing is,
he's not playing stupid. He is rather stupid.
Snit hates those links because he knows most of what is written about him is true.
It's actually hilarious when snit claims nobody can quote his lies or poor >> behavior.
He is delusional.
Whatever drugs he is taking must be quite potent.
Word is that snit is addicted to jenkem.
He has also been known to huff glue so at this point his brain is probably fried.
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