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In another thread, are defending Apple to the death, no matter what, by
arguing endlessly that, to them, MAC addresses are not identifiers.

I can't imagine anyone who could say that, who is intelligent.
It takes only a bit of imagination to see how dangerous they are.

Yet, it became clear to me the Apple trolls can't fathom how they're
dangerous because the Apple trolls fundamentally lack critical imagination.

For example, they can't even come up with a simple imagination where they
can't fathom that 'hiding' an SSID is different from appending "_nomap".

It's beyond their imagination that there even "could" be a difference!
a. Hiding is intended to prevent upload "to" Apple's servers
b. Opting out is intended to prevent storage "on" Apple's servers

That simple distinction is completely beyond the wildest imaginations of
Apple trolls, which is a critical flaw that I've recently identified.

Another example where Apple trolls completely lack the basic skills of imagination is the scenario of how Apple's WPS database is dangerous.

They think a BSSID is just a number.
They think it's not a personal identifier.

But they can't imagine, in their wildest dreams, even this simple scenario:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

Now scale that up: Track migration patterns of entire neighborhoods.
Correlate MACs with census data, property records, or advertising IDs.

What was just public information becomes a de facto surveillance system, without meaningful consent from the people being tracked.

In summary, I found a fundamental flaw in the brains of all Apple trolls.
They lack imagination.

They can't see anything that isn't black and white.
Nuance in detail, escapes them completely.
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On Dec 7, 2025 at 8:45:11 PM MST, "Marian" wrote <10h5hk8$1er9$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:

In another thread, are defending Apple to the death, no matter what, by arguing endlessly that, to them, MAC addresses are not identifiers.

I can't imagine anyone who could say that, who is intelligent.
It takes only a bit of imagination to see how dangerous they are.

Yet, it became clear to me the Apple trolls can't fathom how they're dangerous because the Apple trolls fundamentally lack critical imagination.

For example, they can't even come up with a simple imagination where they can't fathom that 'hiding' an SSID is different from appending "_nomap".

It's beyond their imagination that there even "could" be a difference!
a. Hiding is intended to prevent upload "to" Apple's servers
b. Opting out is intended to prevent storage "on" Apple's servers

That simple distinction is completely beyond the wildest imaginations of Apple trolls, which is a critical flaw that I've recently identified.

Another example where Apple trolls completely lack the basic skills of imagination is the scenario of how Apple's WPS database is dangerous.

They think a BSSID is just a number.
They think it's not a personal identifier.

But they can't imagine, in their wildest dreams, even this simple scenario:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

Now scale that up: Track migration patterns of entire neighborhoods. Correlate MACs with census data, property records, or advertising IDs.

What was just public information becomes a de facto surveillance system, without meaningful consent from the people being tracked.

In summary, I found a fundamental flaw in the brains of all Apple trolls. They lack imagination.

They can't see anything that isn't black and white.
Nuance in detail, escapes them completely.

Just read a post where the author basically concludes that anyone defending Apple’s Wi‑Fi handling “to the death” lacks imagination. Their points aren’t
entirely wrong: MAC/BSSID addresses can be used to track devices over time,
and “hidden SSID” versus “_nomap opt‑out” really do serve different purposes.
The migration example — tracking a router from one address to another — is realistic.

Where they go off the rails is claiming that anyone who disagrees is fundamentally incapable of understanding nuance. That’s a classic overgeneralization: valid tech criticism gets turned into a personality indictment. Basically, they’re smart enough to understand the risks, but their
rhetoric is all moral panic and black‑and‑white thinking.
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On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you are ASSUMING the move. Much more likely is that I bought a new router and gave the old one to my friend at 456 Oak Street who needed a new(er) router. 6 months later he buys a new router and trashes the old one. Do you assume that I am now dead because the router is no longer active?

What if I sell it on eBay? It could end up anywhere in the world. Or my daughter moved out into an apartment and I gave her my old router?

Tracking a router is NOT tracking ME, because my name is not associated with it.

And even if I DID move, so what? I can buy a new router AND still sell the
old one. Again, tracking a router is not tracking me.

You are SO desperate here, it is laughable. I guarantee that people buy new routers FAR more often than they move. I have lived in this house for 27
years. I am on my 4th router now. So I moved 3 times?

And what about Google? They have a similar list. Are you outraged over that?

You might as well track "me" by tracking where my car goes. Except that the car can also be driven by my wife and my kids.

Give it a rest. This will never be a class action lawsuit. That you think it will just shows how incredibly stupid you are.
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On Dec 8, 2025 at 10:26:55 AM MST, "Tyrone" wrote <zxGdnTjRSf3Cl6r0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you are ASSUMING the move. Much more likely is that I bought a new router and gave the old one to my friend at 456 Oak Street who needed a new(er) router. 6 months later he buys a new router and trashes the old one. Do you assume that I am now dead because the router is no
longer active?

What if I sell it on eBay? It could end up anywhere in the world. Or my daughter moved out into an apartment and I gave her my old router?

Tracking a router is NOT tracking ME, because my name is not associated with it.

And even if I DID move, so what? I can buy a new router AND still sell the old one. Again, tracking a router is not tracking me.

You are SO desperate here, it is laughable. I guarantee that people buy new routers FAR more often than they move. I have lived in this house for 27 years. I am on my 4th router now. So I moved 3 times?

And what about Google? They have a similar list. Are you outraged over that?

You might as well track "me" by tracking where my car goes. Except that the car can also be driven by my wife and my kids.

Give it a rest. This will never be a class action lawsuit. That you think it will just shows how incredibly stupid you are.

Add to that you can change MAC addresses on many routers.
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On 2025-12-08 17:26:55 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you ["Marian" / "Arlen"] are [an] ASS

Fixed it. You didn't need any of the rest of the text. ;-)

UMING the move. Much more likely is that I bought a new router and gave
the old one to my friend at 456 Oak Street who needed a new(er) router.
6 months later he buys a new router and trashes the old one. Do you
assume that I am now dead because the router is no longer active?

What if I sell it on eBay? It could end up anywhere in the world. Or my daughter moved out into an apartment and I gave her my old router?

Tracking a router is NOT tracking ME, because my name is not associated with it.

And even if I DID move, so what? I can buy a new router AND still sell the old one. Again, tracking a router is not tracking me.

You are SO desperate here, it is laughable. I guarantee that people buy new routers FAR more often than they move. I have lived in this house for 27 years. I am on my 4th router now. So I moved 3 times?

And what about Google? They have a similar list. Are you outraged over that?

You might as well track "me" by tracking where my car goes. Except that the car can also be driven by my wife and my kids.

Give it a rest. This will never be a class action lawsuit. That you think it will just shows how incredibly stupid you are.

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On Dec 8, 2025 at 4:13:43 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-08 17:26:55 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you ["Marian" / "Arlen"] are [an] ASS

Fixed it. You didn't need any of the rest of the text. ;-)

Good point. Thanks.
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On Dec 8, 2025 at 3:25:02 PM EST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 8, 2025 at 10:26:55 AM MST, "Tyrone" wrote <zxGdnTjRSf3Cl6r0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you are ASSUMING the move. Much more likely
is that I bought a new router and gave the old one to my friend at 456 Oak >> Street who needed a new(er) router. 6 months later he buys a new router and >> trashes the old one. Do you assume that I am now dead because the router is no
longer active?

What if I sell it on eBay? It could end up anywhere in the world. Or my
daughter moved out into an apartment and I gave her my old router?

Tracking a router is NOT tracking ME, because my name is not associated with >> it.

And even if I DID move, so what? I can buy a new router AND still sell the >> old one. Again, tracking a router is not tracking me.

You are SO desperate here, it is laughable. I guarantee that people buy new >> routers FAR more often than they move. I have lived in this house for 27
years. I am on my 4th router now. So I moved 3 times?

And what about Google? They have a similar list. Are you outraged over that?

You might as well track "me" by tracking where my car goes. Except that the >> car can also be driven by my wife and my kids.

Give it a rest. This will never be a class action lawsuit. That you think it >> will just shows how incredibly stupid you are.

Add to that you can change MAC addresses on many routers.

OF COURSE. But that does not fit his obvious - not to mention pathetic - agenda.
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On 08.12.25 22:13, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-12-08 17:26:55 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you ["Marian" / "Arlen"] are [an] ASS

Fixed it. You didn't need any of the rest of the text. ;-)

Asshole and faker!
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On Dec 8, 2025 at 3:06:50 PM MST, "Tyrone" wrote <aaudnV9DteBn1qr0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Dec 8, 2025 at 3:25:02 PM EST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 8, 2025 at 10:26:55 AM MST, "Tyrone" wrote
<zxGdnTjRSf3Cl6r0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Dec 7, 2025 at 10:45:11 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.
2. Over time, they build a database:
a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022
b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023
3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely
moved to 456 Oak Avenue.

The fundamental flaw here is that you are ASSUMING the move. Much more likely
is that I bought a new router and gave the old one to my friend at 456 Oak >>> Street who needed a new(er) router. 6 months later he buys a new router and >>> trashes the old one. Do you assume that I am now dead because the router is no
longer active?

What if I sell it on eBay? It could end up anywhere in the world. Or my
daughter moved out into an apartment and I gave her my old router?

Tracking a router is NOT tracking ME, because my name is not associated with
it.

And even if I DID move, so what? I can buy a new router AND still sell the >>> old one. Again, tracking a router is not tracking me.

You are SO desperate here, it is laughable. I guarantee that people buy new >>> routers FAR more often than they move. I have lived in this house for 27 >>> years. I am on my 4th router now. So I moved 3 times?

And what about Google? They have a similar list. Are you outraged over that?

You might as well track "me" by tracking where my car goes. Except that the
car can also be driven by my wife and my kids.

Give it a rest. This will never be a class action lawsuit. That you think it
will just shows how incredibly stupid you are.

Add to that you can change MAC addresses on many routers.

OF COURSE. But that does not fit his obvious - not to mention pathetic - agenda.

True.
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Tyrone wrote:

Add to that you can change MAC addresses on many routers.

OF COURSE. But that does not fit his obvious - not to mention pathetic - agenda.

Heh heh heh... why do Apple trolls always prove to know nothing.
About everything.

Nobody would be so stupid as to claim what Tyrone just claimed for most consumer routers (Netgear R7800 & Linksys WRT3200ACM being exceptions).

*How can anyone be as stupid as the Apple trolls are?*

The Apple trolls *are* that stupid.
a. Alan Baker claims the Usenet headers can't possibly be changed.
b. And, Tyrone claims that "he" can change my SSID MAC address.
c. I have a Nighthawk RAX200, Netgear Firmware Version V1.0.10.140_1.0.79

OK. Tyrone.
Tell me how.

HINT: Remember when Snit claimed in over two hundred posts that a decibel
was exactly the same as a megabitpersecond?

Q: Who is *that* stupid?
A: Apple trolls *are* that stupid.

<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo>
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

This thread proves my point that Apple trolls *are* that stupid.

Q: Tyrone - tell us all how to change the SSID MAC (BSSID) of my router:
A: (heh heh heh)

You'd think that nobody could be that stupid.
Yet, Apple trolls *are* that stupid.
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On 2025-12-07 19:45, Marian wrote:

In another thread, ...

...that you claimed that there was no way that iOS could act as an SMB
server to a standard Windows system...

...and you were talking complete bullshit?
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On Dec 9, 2025 at 9:33:47 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-07 19:45, Marian wrote:

In another thread, ...

...that you claimed that there was no way that iOS could act as an SMB
server to a standard Windows system...

...and you were talking complete bullshit?

This can be changed to:

"That you claimed (whatever) and you were talking complete bullshit?"

I have never seen a post from Troll Boy where he is NOT telling complete lies OR spouting his uninformed opinions as facts. THEN he proclaims that everyone who points out his lies and/or disagrees with his opinions as "stupid".

IOW, just utter bullshit.
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