"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
That's what salmon looks like at the grocery store!
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced >> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
-hh
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ... Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and
leapfrog everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily copied
the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
It˘s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced >>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an ´early leadˇ to market when the tech change hasn˙t adequately matured isn˙t really worth that much:
thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it: use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
(eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty typical of how Apple tends to operate.
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be), >> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not
standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something >> like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't
standing still).
But Apple is using the best 5G chips, because they˘re buying them from Qualcomm. Do keep in mind that not every last component has to strictly be created & fabbed in-house.
Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech?
Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?
Or it could be just Apple's standards for approving a commercial product to ship are higher than their peers.
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
Am I the only one who caught this? October 2024 is 3 months away.
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
AirTags?
Name just one.
We'll wait...
Non sequitur.
Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful
in the marketplace if they do nothing less than ´leapfroggingˇ?
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you˙re
trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn˙t try to disingenuously move said goalposts.
badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 02:54:11 -0000 (UTC) :
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up. >>>
AirTags?
Hi badgolferman,
I'm happy you responded with something that Apple designed around the smartphone that may have "leapfrogged" the competition, where I'm acutely aware of the bias that people have due to Apple's brilliant advertising.
Keeping in mind always that Apple doesn't really have any R&D to speak of, I'd be surprised if Apple "developed" anything that others don't have, but
if AirTags are it, then I'm happy to find out if that's the case in fact.
I'm only looking for answers - as I form my belief systems based on facts - not religion (and certainly not on mere advertising - brilliant or not).
While I don't care for AirTags, and hence, I'm ignorant of them, let me
look up the genesis of these AirTags to find out who leapfrogged whom...
Since I'm a reasonably well educated adult of at least normal intelligence,
I looked it up to make my own reasonably informed assessment of the facts.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTag>
a. April 2019 under development
b. Asahi_Kasei UWB parts
c. Announced April 20, 2021
OK. Now we've established a timeline, let's look for the competition.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UWB-enabled_mobile_devices>
Samsung Galaxy SmartTag Released April 2021
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_SmartTag>
Although Google, apparently, was late to the game for it's offering:
<https://9to5google.com/2024/04/08/android-airtag-trackers-release-date/>
In summary, it seems to me, based on those facts above, that Apple and Samsung introduced the same type of device at about the same time frame.
Who is leapfrogging whom?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
It’s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:10:06 -0400 :
Name just one.
We'll wait...
Non sequitur.
Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful >> in the marketplace if they do nothing less than �leapfrogging�?
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you�re
trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn�t try to
disingenuously move said goalposts.
What's important is that a belief system that is strongly held, and yet, isn't based on even a single fact - is referred to as purely religious.
To wit:
a. You clearly hold a very strong belief system about Apple superiority.
b. And yet, your entire belief system is based on exactly zero facts.
It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.
Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
A: (we'll wait)
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be), >>> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
adult, ...
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.
https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".
It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.
Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
A: (we'll wait)
See: "It just works". The ramifications of this as a developmental discipline is to have V&V of new technologies *prior* to them being
sold, to make sure that they're actually work, reliably, in real world fielded applications. A concrete example of this is *not* adopting a folding display screen that then subsequently fails/degrades in the
hands of customers.
And of course, Apple isn't perfectly infallible, for we can cite the 'butterfly' keyboard failures as an illustration of a mistake made: the
key thing is to have a corporate culture which minimizes the risks of repeating of prior mistakes - which is indicative of why we've had to
refer to a failure in design from 2015 .. nearly a full decade ago.
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past,
oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
On 7/20/24 10:14 PM, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly >>>> be), for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually
considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
adult, ...
Tangible evidence of the veracity of that claim is severely lacking.
[snip]
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
-hh
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:35 -0400 :
On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".
While I'm well aware of the genius of Apple's lies of "It just works",
let's teset that out, shall we?
1. I installed an app on iOS & Android long ago
2. It's no longer in the App Store on either platform
3. Which of the two platforms "just works" when I want to migrate
that previously installed app onto any number of new devices?
Hint: The Apple ecosystem never "just works".
Let's test it again, but with a different set of common conditions:
a. I want to have anonymity when using a web browser
b. So I choose the canonical well-supported respected Tor Browser
c. On which of the two platforms does the Tor browser "just work"?
Hint: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".
Do you want me to give you scores of similar examples,
HINT: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".
If you think it does, that simply proves how gullible you are to Apple's admittedly brilliant advertising. Almost nothing "just works" on iOS.
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past,
oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
On 7/21/24 1:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, >>>>> oh, five years?
Already done:Â the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
His bloomers are showing...again.
The problem that "Andrew" is having is a belief that no one company can
be successful unless they personally make every last component totally in-house and that every last S&T project will immediately be fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs.
And it illustrates that "Andrew" has never worked professionally on
anything close to this stuff.
On 2024-07-21 00:33:41 +0000, Norman Sylvia said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
Am I the only one who caught this? October 2024 is 3 months away.
You're the only one who bothers to read the mindless gibberish and completely fabricated nonsense posted by the braindead anti-Apple know-nothing trolls. The rest of us were smart enough to killfile those idiots long ago. :-p
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >>> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years? >>Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one fact.
Your entire strongly held belief system is based on exactly zero facts.
Given the reason Apple can't innovate due to Apple's historically paltry spend on R&D (and yet, Apple's spend on Marketing is enormous), it's not surprising that Apple hasn't been able to design a folding iPhone.
As a result of the low R&D spend, Apple is years behind all others in tech.
HINT: Integrated 5G modem design, GPUs, CPUs (sans unpatchable flaws), etc.
badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :
AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.
https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
Hi badgolferman,
Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.
There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!
Never forget the difference please.
Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.
Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.
Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.
But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.
Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.
As a result, Apple can't innovate.
But man oh man... can Apple market.
So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has "leapfrogged" anyone.
What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
c. Google (which is late to the game)
I bet you don't know the answer.
Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.
It's marketing.
On 7/21/24 1:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, >>>>> oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
His bloomers are showing...again.
The problem that "Andrew" is having is a belief that no one company can
be successful unless they personally make every last component totally in-house and that every last S&T project will immediately be fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs.
And it illustrates that "Andrew" has never worked professionally on
anything close to this stuff.
-hh
Apple is reportedly working on foldable iPhones and iPads, but, as
usual, isn't going to release anything until it leapfrogs the other
makers ... in this case by eliminating the ugly crease down the display
and having devices flod out flat instead of having a small bulge in the spine.
If those issues cannot be fixed to Apple's staisfaction, they won't
bother releasing foldable devices at all and leave that niche market
segment to the lesser quality brands.
Your Name wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:10:24 +1200 :
Apple is reportedly working on foldable iPhones and iPads, but, as
usual, isn't going to release anything until it leapfrogs the other
makers ... in this case by eliminating the ugly crease down the display
and having devices flod out flat instead of having a small bulge in the
spine.
If those issues cannot be fixed to Apple's staisfaction, they won't
bother releasing foldable devices at all and leave that niche market
segment to the lesser quality brands.
How far behind is Apple in integrated 5G modem design, Your Name?
Ten years?
Do you think had Apple spent their money on R&D instead of on marketing,
that Apple would have only been five years behind Android in 5G modems?
If not, why do you think Apple is always five to ten years behind Android?
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:06:21 -0400 :
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
What you need to understand is that MARKETING is what Apple does best.
Not innovation.
Marketing.
Just like marketing is what coca cola does. And Marlboro. And Chevron.
You think "Virginia Slims" were innovation?
Or New Coke?
Apple is all marketing and almost no R&D.
Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good example.
Prior to AirTags the market leader was Tile. Now Tile are struggling to be relevant. The android solutions are desperate to join Apple's Find My network.
I think you misunderstood what I said
Everyone understands your one-sided, factless rhetoric.
It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious >>> zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating >>> even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the >>> iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.
Name just one.
We'll wait...
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up. >>>
AirTags?
Yup. Nothing comes close.
Not in the last five years, that's quite short period of time in such a mature industry, but also AirPods (& Pros) and FaceID.
However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're
still waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that
of Android.
On 2024-07-21 19:29, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:06:21 -0400 :
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
What you need to understand is that MARKETING is what Apple does best.
Not innovation.
Marketing.
Says you.
Just like marketing is what coca cola does. And Marlboro. And Chevron.
You think "Virginia Slims" were innovation?
Or New Coke?
Apple is all marketing and almost no R&D.
False.
Apple spends more on R&D than all but three companies.
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back
to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
-hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back
to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and
immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them
in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any
technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.
The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on R&D as
a percentage of revenue ...
- and - plenty of phone companies spend more even
though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total revenue.
Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.
It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.
HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.
Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated upon in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.
Hint: You can't.
Why not?
Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.
Prove me wrong.
That's what an adult would do.
On 7/22/24 11:06 AM, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back >>> to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and >>> immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them >>> in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any >>> technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.
The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on
R&D as
a percentage of revenue ...
Oh, look, "as a percentage of revenue..": its a goalpost move attempt!
- and - plenty of phone companies spend more even
though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total
revenue.
And of course you can clearly explain why that's relevant...right?
Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.
Really? I was under the impression that the Android fanboys keep on harping that the total worldwide Android sales is bigger than Apple.
Better go check your revenue numbers again...
...and especially not get them confused with net profits.
It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind
Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.
*Yawn* others have already done so
HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone
technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.
Because that's invalid because Tile isn't exclusively Android.
Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated
upon
in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.
Hint: You can't.
Well, there is Apple Vision Pro's EyeSight Feature:Â its innovative
enough that Meta has tried to file a patent clone/derivative of it:
<https://www.patentlyapple.com/2024/07/monkey-see-monkey-do-meta-files-patent-designed-to-mimic-apple-vision-pros-eyesight-feature.html>
Why not?
Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.
Prove me wrong.
That's what an adult would do.
Already done, repeatedly. Now "adult up" and accept being wrong.
However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still >> waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.
badgolfernan has already convinced of your misconception so I'll refer you
to him.
Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
A: ?
To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.
There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you lauded didn't exist.
Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees: https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html
Android doesn't fare quite so well. For example, the Trump shooter had his Samsung phone cracked: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techandscience/the-fbi-got-into-the-trump-rally-shooter-s-phone-in-just-40-minutes/ar-BB1qhMgY
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet
it has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target android ;)
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)
He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
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Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know about anyone that is targeted.
Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 00:04:05 GMT :
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)
He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
---
Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the
potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know
about anyone that is targeted.
There's a reason I assess the iKooks as low-IQ, uneducated & ignorant.
Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:27:32 -0000 (UTC) :
It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious >>>> zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating >>>> even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the >>>> iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android. >>>>
Name just one.
We'll wait...
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up. >>>>
AirTags?
Yup. Nothing comes close.
Not in the last five years, that's quite short period of time in such a
mature industry, but also AirPods (& Pros) and FaceID.
*You do realize you've proven my point that Apple can't innovate*, right? Even ignoring that all Apple can ever possibly do is copy existing Tiles...
Ask yourself this question:
Q: What has Apple done for the iPhone in the past five years
that you feel has leapfrogged Android phones in technology?
A: ?
Notice that none of you strange religious zealots can come up with even a *single* technical improvement of the iPhone over Android phones.
Even if I grant you AirTags are well marketed - even as they're a silly gimmick, they're not an iPhone technology - and even if they were - your entire strongly held belief system would be based on only 1 fact.
Do you even realize you nutcases prove me right every time?
(The reason is simply that I'm right - but you need to understand that.)
You've proven my point that Apple can't innovate due to its lack of R&D.
You ignore the effect that the Apple M series CPU has had on the laptop space. The race to convert to Snapdragon is well underway. The A series phone CPU is no slouch either. Then there is that whole Apple support network. In my extensive Android experience there was NOTHING like that.
Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:29:35 -0400 :
You ignore the effect that the Apple M series CPU has had on the laptop
space. The race to convert to Snapdragon is well underway. The A series
phone CPU is no slouch either. Then there is that whole Apple support
network. In my extensive Android experience there was NOTHING like that.
Bear in mind I use iPhones and iPads and Android phones every day where you'll never hear me disagree with any sensibly logical stated viewpoint.
The main difference between me and most of the people who post to the Apple newsgroups is I don't believe every word that Apple claims in
advertisements - and - in fact - I see how much Apple lies in its
marketing.
To your points though...
What I like about the highly flawed (unpatchable) M-series CPUs is that it put Intel on notice that they'd better improve their chip design output.
In that sense, I completely agree with you, and I agree with Apple's
strategy (as they tried with Qualcomm) to divorce themselves from others.
It's a crapshoot as to what Apple's strategy is with smartphone CPUs as
there are plenty of indications it's purely a (brilliant) marketing ploy.
Suffice to say that Android phones leapfrog Apple iPhones regularly, just
as Apple iPhones leapfrog Android phones regularly - where I strongly
suspect it would be the case no matter which CPU Apple/Android used.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >>>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 02:01 this Sunday (GMT):
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI >>>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D. >>>>
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-31 05:50:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
As far as I can find, the only people who actually like AI are those
making money from creating it or pointlessly adding it to every product
they sell to get gullible to upgrade yet again. :-\
In the chess and backgammon worlds, AI or the neural net as it used to be called, has long since overtaken any human player and are looked upon as
the standard when it comes to analyzing moves.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-31 05:50:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 02:01 this Sunday (GMT):
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have beenBut how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the >>>>>> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI >>>>>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D. >>>>>>
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches). >>>> Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
As far as I can find, the only people who actually like AI are those
making money from creating it or pointlessly adding it to every product
they sell to get gullible to upgrade yet again. :-\
"AI" has so many different meanings that it depends on who you ask.
Most "AI" is some form of statistical modelling - ML, ANN, DL, CNN - which has been around for decades and is very powerful & useful. In the right context.
Trying to disentangle real AI - oxymoron? - versus snakeoil "AI" is tricky. Even in the scientific community there's little distinction by the funders, propagating the uncertainty.
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