One of the problems with Apple's "dumb terminal" design of millions of
users logging into Apple servers at any given microsecond, is that when the network to the matrix goes down, everything stops working.
Which happened today.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/icloud-down-live-updates-outage-6-24-25>
Verbatim:
"Apple's iCloud service suffered an outage today which appeared to affect
a number of other Apple services as well. A number of users flocked to Down Detector to report issues with iCloud.
The outage prevented people from accessing services connected to iCloud
like Photos and iMessage such that they couldn't sync or download.
The problems began around 11:30 a.m. Pacific/2:30 p.m. Eastern.
A quick glance at the Apple Status page revealed a mix of products went
down, including iCloud Web Apps, Find My, Photos, and more.
While reports slowed down from an initial peak of around 900 at 12:30 p.m. Pacific, it was a steady decline. And the Apple status page didn't
officially return to normal until around 4:15 p.m. Pacific.
The outage lasted for just over 5 hours."
Let's see how the Apple trolls claim that the iOS device is not a dumb terminal in light of what happened today - which is fact they can't deny.
One of the problems with Apple's "dumb terminal" design of millions of
users logging into Apple servers at any given microsecond, is that when the network to the matrix goes down, everything stops working.
Which happened today.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/icloud-down-live-updates-outage-6-24-25>
Verbatim:
"Apple's iCloud service suffered an outage today which appeared to affect
a number of other Apple services as well. A number of users flocked to Down Detector to report issues with iCloud.
The outage prevented people from accessing services connected to iCloud
like Photos and iMessage such that they couldn't sync or download.
The problems began around 11:30 a.m. Pacific/2:30 p.m. Eastern.
A quick glance at the Apple Status page revealed a mix of products went
down, including iCloud Web Apps, Find My, Photos, and more.
While reports slowed down from an initial peak of around 900 at 12:30 p.m. Pacific, it was a steady decline. And the Apple status page didn't
officially return to normal until around 4:15 p.m. Pacific.
The outage lasted for just over 5 hours."
Let's see how the Apple trolls claim that the iOS device is not a dumb terminal in light of what happened today - which is fact they can't deny.
One of the problems with Apple's "dumb terminal" design of millions of
users logging into Apple servers at any given microsecond, is that when the network to the matrix goes down, everything stops working.
Which happened today.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/icloud-down-live-updates-outage-6-24-25>
Verbatim:
"Apple's iCloud service suffered an outage today which appeared to affect
a number of other Apple services as well. A number of users flocked to Down Detector to report issues with iCloud.
The outage prevented people from accessing services connected to iCloud
like Photos and iMessage such that they couldn't sync or download.
The problems began around 11:30 a.m. Pacific/2:30 p.m. Eastern.
A quick glance at the Apple Status page revealed a mix of products went
down, including iCloud Web Apps, Find My, Photos, and more.
While reports slowed down from an initial peak of around 900 at 12:30 p.m. Pacific, it was a steady decline. And the Apple status page didn't
officially return to normal until around 4:15 p.m. Pacific.
The outage lasted for just over 5 hours."
Let's see how the Apple trolls claim that the iOS device is not a dumb terminal in light of what happened today - which is fact they can't deny.
If Google goes down Android phones are similarly affected!
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:22:57 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
If Google goes down Android phones are similarly affected!
Hi Tom,
The problem with you uneducated ignorant MAGA religious zealots, Tom, is
you know absolutely nothing about Apple operating systems, or any other.
You don't own any Android devices, and yet, I do. You may own Apple
devices, and yet, I do too. I know how each of them works. You don't.
If "Google goes down", nothing happens to an Android device, Tom.
No account whatsoever needs to be set on Android for it to work just fine.
Only Apple requires that account, Tom.
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
On 2025-06-24 22:07, Marion wrote:
One of the problems with Apple's "dumb terminal" design of millions of users logging into Apple servers at any given microsecond, is that when the network to the matrix goes down, everything stops working.
Which happened today. <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/icloud-down-live-updates-outage-6-24-25
Verbatim:
"Apple's iCloud service suffered an outage today which appeared to affect
a number of other Apple services as well. A number of users flocked to Down Detector to report issues with iCloud.
The outage prevented people from accessing services connected to iCloud like Photos and iMessage such that they couldn't sync or download.
The problems began around 11:30 a.m. Pacific/2:30 p.m. Eastern.
A quick glance at the Apple Status page revealed a mix of products went down, including iCloud Web Apps, Find My, Photos, and more.
While reports slowed down from an initial peak of around 900 at 12:30 p.m. Pacific, it was a steady decline. And the Apple status page didn't officially return to normal until around 4:15 p.m. Pacific.
The outage lasted for just over 5 hours."
Let's see how the Apple trolls claim that the iOS device is not a dumb terminal in light of what happened today - which is fact they can't deny.
I noticed absolutely no problems using my iPhone during the outage.
Sorry (not sorry).
I didn't even notice that there was an outage until I read about it.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:34:51 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
I didn't even notice that there was an outage until I read about it.
The fact that you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls didn't "notice"
what was common knowledge around the world is par for the course.
This is from the same WolfFan who claims he's the only person on the planet who found a secret way to get around Apple's 2FA requirements for new Apple Accounts.
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple
ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations.
On 2025-07-12 11:46, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:34:51 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
I didn't even notice that there was an outage until I read about it.
The fact that you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls didn't "notice" what was common knowledge around the world is par for the course.
Nope. It's highlighting that his supposedly showstopping problem...
...wasn't what you claimed it to be.
Imagine that.
This is from the same WolfFan who claims he's the only person on the planet who found a secret way to get around Apple's 2FA requirements for new Apple Accounts.
No, he didn't say that at all.
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about Apple.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations.
He's not said that that I've seen.
On Jun 25, 2025, Alan wrote
(in article <103h6g8$2s7fn$1@dont-email.me>):
On 2025-06-24 22:07, Marion wrote:
One of the problems with Apple's "dumb terminal" design of millions ofI noticed absolutely no problems using my iPhone during the outage.
users logging into Apple servers at any given microsecond, is that when the >>> network to the matrix goes down, everything stops working.
Which happened today.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/icloud-down-live-updates-outage-6-24-25
Verbatim:
"Apple's iCloud service suffered an outage today which appeared to affect >>> a number of other Apple services as well. A number of users flocked to
Down Detector to report issues with iCloud.
The outage prevented people from accessing services connected to iCloud
like Photos and iMessage such that they couldn't sync or download.
The problems began around 11:30 a.m. Pacific/2:30 p.m. Eastern.
A quick glance at the Apple Status page revealed a mix of products went
down, including iCloud Web Apps, Find My, Photos, and more.
While reports slowed down from an initial peak of around 900 at 12:30 p.m. >>> Pacific, it was a steady decline. And the Apple status page didn't
officially return to normal until around 4:15 p.m. Pacific.
The outage lasted for just over 5 hours."
Let's see how the Apple trolls claim that the iOS device is not a dumb
terminal in light of what happened today - which is fact they can't deny. >>
Sorry (not sorry).
I didn’t even notice that there was an outage until I read about it.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:22:57 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
If Google goes down Android phones are similarly affected!
Hi Tom,
The problem with you uneducated ignorant MAGA religious zealots, Tom, is
you know absolutely nothing about Apple operating systems, or any other.
You don't own any Android devices, and yet, I do. You may own Apple
devices, and yet, I do too. I know how each of them works. You don't.
If "Google goes down", nothing happens to an Android device, Tom.
No account whatsoever needs to be set on Android for it to work just fine.
Only Apple requires that account, Tom.
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:22:57 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
If Google goes down Android phones are similarly affected!
Hi Tom,
The problem with you uneducated ignorant MAGA religious zealots, Tom, is
you know absolutely nothing about Apple operating systems, or any other.
You don't own any Android devices, and yet, I do. You may own Apple
devices, and yet, I do too. I know how each of them works. You don't.
If "Google goes down", nothing happens to an Android device, Tom.
No account whatsoever needs to be set on Android for it to work just fine.
Only Apple requires that account, Tom.
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
I could give a shit about needing an Apple account.
When I had Android
phones AND tablets I had a Google account. In fact, I have had Google
and do have Microsoft and Apple accounts on all my devices.
Nothing bad as happened, and in the Google and Microsoft cases that has
been a very long time. I also have Google Drive, Google Photos, YouTube Premium, Google Maps, News and use Google Sheets on a regular basis.
Those are on all my Windows computers and Apple devices. My laptops are subscribed to Office 365. On my iPhone and iPad ForeFlight is subscribed
to the company's services. Required for every 28 day chart updates.
So go twist yourself all up trying to avoid using OS sign-in accounts.
Why bother - except for severe paranoia?
Frankly, I don't think you know a thing about using your devices to
their full potential.
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything aboutHe's not said that that I've seen.
Apple.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple >>> ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations. >>
I actually do have access to both business and dev accounts and have said so in the past. But I don't need that access to update apps, and I never said that I did. Arlen is lying his ass off, again.
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
More
If a Google service goes down you might not get new mail, access Drive
or Photos. Maps or YouTube may quit working - I have seen those two myself.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 14:17:53 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about >>>> Apple.He's not said that that I've seen.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple >>>> ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations. >>>
I actually do have access to both business and dev accounts and have said so >> in the past. But I don't need that access to update apps, and I never said >> that I did. Arlen is lying his ass off, again.
Hi WolfFan,
I've known you for years, and I've never assessed that you ever understand Apple products, but that's not unusual on an Apple Usenet newsgroup.
Not one of the ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about Apple. Yet you're all imbued with a herd animal Make Apple Great Again zealotry.
The reason you're MAGA trolls is partly you know nothing about Apple, and, the other part is that you can't believe Apple sucks as bad as it does.
The fact is, EVERY new Apple Account nowadays *requires* 2FA (AFAIK).
a. User accounts (must use a valid phone or existing device)
b. Developer accounts (must enable 2FA on the Apple ID used to enroll)
c. Organization Developer accounts (account holder must enable 2FA)
The fact is, for all three types of new Apple Accounts...
a. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.
b. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.
c. Team members added to the account also need 2FA to access the resources.
You can manage team access through App Store Connect, but each user must
sign in with their own Apple ID that has 2FA enabled.
BTW, Apple has workarounds for people without Apple hardware, but my point
is you Apple trolls always prove to know nothing whatsoever about Apple.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 13:40:20 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy. >>More
If a Google service goes down you might not get new mail, access Drive
or Photos. Maps or YouTube may quit working - I have seen those two myself.
While it's obvious I know Apple products better than you MAGA trolls do...
I also know Google's Android much better than any of you MAGA trolls do.
I haven't had a Google Account on my Android for many years, Tom.
If Google goes down... nothing happens.
However, if Apple goes down, every dumb terminal iOS device dies.
Apple designed iOS as a dumb terinal not for you - but for Apple.
On 2025-07-13 21:50, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 14:17:53 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple
ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations.
He's not said that that I've seen.
I actually do have access to both business and dev accounts and have said so
in the past. But I don't need that access to update apps, and I never said
that I did. Arlen is lying his ass off, again.
Hi WolfFan,
I've known you for years,
and I've never assessed that you ever understand
Apple products, but that's not unusual on an Apple Usenet newsgroup.
Not one of the ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about Apple. Yet you're all imbued with a herd animal Make Apple Great Again zealotry.
The reason you're MAGA trolls is partly you know nothing about Apple, and, the other part is that you can't believe Apple sucks as bad as it does.
The fact is, EVERY new Apple Account nowadays *requires* 2FA (AFAIK).
Which (in my opinion) is a VERY GOOD IDEA.
a. User accounts (must use a valid phone or existing device)
Which can be a VOIP phone, and texting service...
b. Developer accounts (must enable 2FA on the Apple ID used to enroll)
c. Organization Developer accounts (account holder must enable 2FA)
The fact is, for all three types of new Apple Accounts...
a. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.
A phone number, yes. Good.
b. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.
"b." is exactly the same as "a.".
c. Team members added to the account also need 2FA to access the resources.
You can manage team access through App Store Connect, but each user must sign in with their own Apple ID that has 2FA enabled.
BTW, Apple has workarounds for people without Apple hardware, but my point is you Apple trolls always prove to know nothing whatsoever about Apple.
I've known you for years,
No, you haven't. you don't know me at all.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 13:33:02 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be loggedI could give a shit about needing an Apple account.
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy. >>
Would on of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls please explain to Tom Elam that "I could give a shit" doesn't mean what he "thinks" it means, please.
The fact none of you could get accepted to a college is clearly evident.
When I had Android
phones AND tablets I had a Google account. In fact, I have had Google
and do have Microsoft and Apple accounts on all my devices.
The fact that this Tom Elam has no education past high school is evident in that comment above, in that the difference is the account isn't REQUIRED
for those devices to download and install apps. That's the difference.
The difference isn't in the account; it's in the requirement for it.
Nothing bad as happened, and in the Google and Microsoft cases that has
been a very long time. I also have Google Drive, Google Photos, YouTube
Premium, Google Maps, News and use Google Sheets on a regular basis.
Those are on all my Windows computers and Apple devices. My laptops are
subscribed to Office 365. On my iPhone and iPad ForeFlight is subscribed
to the company's services. Required for every 28 day chart updates.
So go twist yourself all up trying to avoid using OS sign-in accounts.
Why bother - except for severe paranoia?
Frankly, I don't think you know a thing about using your devices to
their full potential.
Heh heh heh... of course you think I don't know how to use a device.
And yet, you clearly know absolutely nothing about Apple or Android, Tom.
The only operating system that requires an account (which itself, now requires 2FA, which essentially requires you bring a phone with you everywhere you go or a second device - which is just absurd)... is Apple.
No other OS OEM requires that. Just Apple.
No other OS OEM requires that. Just Apple.
FYI I have a PhD in economics and statistics.
I have followed the tech
sector since I bought a TRS 80 Model 2 in 1980 and used in to start a
small business.
I was the first person in the company to bring a
microcomputer to the office. I demoed Visicalc and a word processor. At
that time we all had IBM 5250 series dumb terminals on our desks.
From the 5250 we went to IBM desktops running DOS and Lotus software.
We did not get internet/network connections (Token Ring) until about
1993/94 when 3.11 Windows for Workgroups came out. We also had a PDP 10 network up and running before that.
So yes, I have a long history using everything from DOS command line to
the latest Windows and Apple operating systems.
Also Android up to about
5 years ago when I upgraded to Apple iOS.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:34:51 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
I didn't even notice that there was an outage until I read about it.
The fact that you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls didn't "notice"
what was common knowledge around the world is par for the course.
This is from the same WolfFan who claims he's the only person on the planet who found a secret way to get around Apple's 2FA requirements for new Apple Accounts.
None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple
ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations.
We did not notice "it" because it did not cause us any problems.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 13:40:20 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy. >>More
If a Google service goes down you might not get new mail, access Drive
or Photos. Maps or YouTube may quit working - I have seen those two myself.
While it's obvious I know Apple products better than you MAGA trolls do...
I also know Google's Android much better than any of you MAGA trolls do.
I haven't had a Google Account on my Android for many years, Tom.
If Google goes down... nothing happens.
However, if Apple goes down, every dumb terminal iOS device dies.
Apple designed iOS as a dumb terinal not for you - but for Apple.
I haven't had a Google Account on my Android for many years, Tom.
If Google goes down... nothing happens.
However, if Apple goes down, every dumb terminal iOS device dies.
Apple designed iOS as a dumb terinal not for you - but for Apple.
That is total bullshit. None of my daily use apps depend on iCloud or my Apple account.
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