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In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.


The Mac Pro Is Dead, Long Live the Mac Studio
---------------------------------------------
The tower has fallen. Apple's pro desktop future now revolves
around the Mac Studio.

Earlier this month, a new report outlined Apple's expected 2026
Mac lineup. While it included all the usual suspects - from the
MacBook Pro to the Mac mini - there were a couple of conspicuous
omissions: the iMac and the Mac Pro.

While the iMac's absence might simply reflect Apple's staggered
update cycle, the lack of any news on the Mac Pro feels more
ominous, and now Bloomberg's Mark Gurman has confirmed that
Apple may be preparing to put its beastliest machine out to
pasture.

The Mac Pro has already had a strange and storied history. The
first model arrived in 2006 as a successor to the Power Mac G5,
rounding out Apple's transition from the PowerPC era with a new
desktop powerhouse based on an Intel Xeon chip. From 2006 to
2012, it received four CPU bumps, but otherwise retained the
same design it had borrowed from its PowerPC predecessor.

In 2013, Apple changed things up, sparking controversy with a
completely redesigned cylindrical version that became known as
the "trash can" Mac Pro. While the design was attractive, it was
a case of form over function, as the 2013 model was a
self-contained unit that was neither upgradeable nor expandable.
Ironically, the more versatile 2006 Mac Pro could match the 2013
model's specs with aftermarket upgrades.

In 2017, Apple tacitly admitted that the Mac Pro was a bad idea
and promised to do better. It released the iMac Pro later that
year to tide pro customers over until it could finish a properly
redesigned Mac Pro that would reflect the spirit of the original.
In late 2019, it delivered the most powerful Mac ever - with a
price tag to match.

This Mac Pro would also turn out to signal the end of an era.
Less than a year later, everything changed when Apple unveiled
its M1 chip, enabling a base model 13-inch MacBook Pro to beat
out the entry-level Mac Pro in at least some basic scenarios.

When the souped-up versions of those chips - the M1 Pro and M1 Max
- arrived the following year, it was clear the days of the Intel
Mac Pro were numbered. Apple's high-end 14-inch and 16-inch
MacBook Pro models had many of the features of the Mac Pro's
Afterburner card - an optional and pricey add-on - built right in,
and were powerful enough to let users edit multiple streams of 4K
and 8K video with just a fraction of the power consumption of an
Intel Mac.

Of course, that arguably wasn't a problem, as everyone knew a more
powerful Mac Pro was coming. Apple had promised to give its entire
lineup the Apple Silicon treatment, and rumors of an M1 Ultra chip
hinted at staggering levels of performance - and possibly even a
successor to the iMac Pro as well.

Instead, Apple threw us a curveball. Since its M-series chips were
significantly more efficient than their Intel counterparts, they
didn't require massive cases and fans to stay cool, which made a
Mac Pro-style tower feel increasingly like a relic of the Intel era.
Apple decided to prove that "powerful" doesn't have to mean "big"
and gave us the Mac Studio instead.

While Apple's M1-powered Macs could already hold their own against
most 2019 Mac Pro configurations, the Mac Studio's M1 Ultra left
them in the dust. With two M1 Max chips stacked together, it
outperformed Apple's $20,000 28-core Mac Pro at a fifth of the price
and a fraction of the size.

Not for the first time, many found themselves questioning the
Mac Pro's future, especially when 2022 came and went without a new
Mac Pro. However, Apple had promised to bring all of its Intel Macs
into the realm of Apple Silicon, and that's a promise it intended to
keep.

During its June 2023 Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC), Apple
unveiled a next-generation Mac Studio featuring the M2 Ultra chip - 
this time, accompanied by a new Mac Pro.

In theory, the Apple Silicon Mac Pro would address the biggest
complaint about the Mac Studio: the lack of expandability. In
reality, the new system showed how much Apple had left the Intel
world behind. Sure, it had the PCIe expansion slots that high-end
users demanded, but there wasn't much you could actually put into
them. No support for external GPUs. No upgradeable RAM thanks to
unified memory. What you bought was what you got.

Since the Mac Studio featured the same M2 Ultra chip, it could
deliver the same performance in a smaller package. The Mac Pro had
a better cooling system, which should have offered better sustained
performance, but most tests revealed it made no practical
difference.

In the end, most folks legitimately questioned the very existence of
the M2 Mac Pro. It felt like a solution for a problem nobody had,
and Gurman's sources say that Apple has come to the same conclusion.

"From what I've heard inside the company, Apple has largely written
off the Mac Pro. The sentiment internally is that the Mac Studio
now represents both the present and future of Apple's professional
desktop strategy."
- Mark Gurman

Perhaps Apple's strategy was merely transitional in the first place 
- to prove to folks who thought they needed a Mac Pro that the
Mac Studio was every bit as capable. Either way, the Mac Studio has
already moved on to an M3 Ultra chip, and it appears it will walk
this new path alone. Gurman reports that a theoretical M4 Ultra chip
- and the Mac Pro it would have powered - has been nixed. Instead,
Apple is focusing on a next-gen M5 Ultra chip, which is reportedly
destined solely for a future Mac Studio.

While we're hesitant to ever say never - Apple rarely closes these
doors entirely - this could very well be the Mac Pro's final curtain
- and a symbolic step into a new era of computing where bigger
doesn't mean better.



<https://www.idropnews.com/news/the-mac-pro-is-dead-long-live-the-mac-studio/255692/>





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On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a relic of
the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet, low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc.
You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one.

There was a time (50 years ago) when "personal computers" were built using hundreds of discrete chips. In the S-100 slot days, you had a CPU board, RAM board(s) and multiple I/O boards (serial, parallel, video, floppy disk, hard disk etc). These boards were each the size of a current "motherboard".

Now it is all on a single chip. Get over it. Move on.
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On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet, low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one.

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(

There was a time (50 years ago) when "personal computers" were built using hundreds of discrete chips. In the S-100 slot days, you had a CPU board, RAM board(s) and multiple I/O boards (serial, parallel, video, floppy disk, hard disk etc). These boards were each the size of a current "motherboard".

Now it is all on a single chip. Get over it. Move on.

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On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a relic of >> the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard with RAM here and
CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. It is >> faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits into a MUCH
smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet, low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens,
refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. >> You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one.

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost of the new one.

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate chips on multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" screen today. Could be even larger. Talk about waste.
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On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a
relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard
with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30
years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future.
It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits
into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet,
low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. >>> You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one.

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate chips on multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" screen today. Could be even larger. Talk about waste.

Wasteful in the sense that you can't upgrade the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc.,
so the whole device has to be gotten rid of and a whole new one bought.


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On 18.11.25 23:28, Tyrone wrote:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable -
all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering
Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a relic of >>> the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard with RAM here and
CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. It is >>> faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits into a MUCH >>> smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet, low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. >>> You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one.

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate chips on multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" screen today. Could be even larger. Talk about waste.

+1
--
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)
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On 19.11.25 04:20, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable - >>>>> all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering >>>>> Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a
relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard
with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30
years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future.
It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits
into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet,
low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. >>>> You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one. >>>

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate chips on >> multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" screen today. >> Could be even larger. Talk about waste.

Wasteful in the sense that you can't upgrade the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc.,
so the whole device has to be gotten rid of and a whole new one bought.

With upgrades you can reduce the pain but not solve problems: Moore's
law says that the performance of computers doubles every 18 months.
After 2 cycles the mobo is outdated.

The concept of PC-towers died 20 years ago except for some very specific
and borderline applications like *hardcore gaming* for instance.
--
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)
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On Nov 18, 2025 at 10:20:13 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable - >>>>> all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering >>>>> Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only
plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for
anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a
relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard
with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30
years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future.
It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits
into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet,
low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc. >>>> You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one. >>>

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Selling something is not "getting rid of things". Someone ELSE is now using it. I bought this M2 MacBook Pro used on eBay 2 years ago. It was about 6 months old when I got it AND it was $900 less than a new one AND it was free shipping AND it was in pristine condition. That is called "recycling" on the seller's part AND smart buying on my part. It is NOT "wasted". Selling things you no longer need/want is NOT a "throw away society". Because nothing is thrown away.

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate chips on >> multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" screen today. >> Could be even larger. Talk about waste.

Wasteful in the sense that you can't upgrade the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc.,
so the whole device has to be gotten rid of and a whole new one bought.

Again, not wasteful. You UPGRADE the whole thing instead of separate pieces. Then you sell the old one to someone who can't afford a new one. Which will also be an UPGRADE to them. Everyone is happy. Nothing is wasted. Now there
are 2 people with a new Mac/phone/TV whatever.

The waste comes from upgrading the CPU/RAM and then throwing away the old CPU/RAM. Who is going to buy used RAM chips?

We have sold all kinds of household stuff. Sofas, chairs, TVs etc. Even an upright piano. Put an ad in the local Penny Saver (or whatever you have) magazine. Ask $150 (or whatever). Someone will offer $100 (whatever) and you agree. They come and pick it up.

Again, nothing is wasted. Everyone involved is happy.
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On 2025-11-19 15:47:01 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 10:20:13 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name"
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty
pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable - >>>>>> all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering >>>>>> Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only >>>>>> plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for >>>>>> anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a
relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard >>>>> with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 >>>>> years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. >>>>> It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits
into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet,
low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>>>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc.
You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one. >>>>

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Selling something is not "getting rid of things". Someone ELSE is now using it. I bought this M2 MacBook Pro used on eBay 2 years ago. It was about 6 months old when I got it AND it was $900 less than a new one AND it was free shipping AND it was in pristine condition. That is called "recycling" on the seller's part AND smart buying on my part. It is NOT "wasted". Selling things you no longer need/want is NOT a "throw away society". Because nothing is thrown away.

The original owner 'threw it away' to get a new one. If they had been
able to upgrade the CPU, RAM, storage, etc., they might have kept it
for longer.

Also, a single chip is WAY less wasteful than hundreds of separate
chips on multiple huge boards. Those boards were each the size of a 14" >>> screen today. Could be even larger. Talk about waste.

Wasteful in the sense that you can't upgrade the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc.,
so the whole device has to be gotten rid of and a whole new one bought.

Again, not wasteful. You UPGRADE the whole thing instead of separate pieces. Then you sell the old one to someone who can't afford a new one. Which will also be an UPGRADE to them. Everyone is happy. Nothing is wasted. Now there are 2 people with a new Mac/phone/TV whatever.

The waste comes from upgrading the CPU/RAM and then throwing away the old CPU/RAM. Who is going to buy used RAM chips?

We have sold all kinds of household stuff. Sofas, chairs, TVs etc. Even an upright piano. Put an ad in the local Penny Saver (or whatever you have) magazine. Ask $150 (or whatever). Someone will offer $100 (whatever) and you agree. They come and pick it up.

Again, nothing is wasted. Everyone involved is happy.

You've obviously missed the point, partly because you think "waste"
only means tossing it the landfill. It's not worth any more of my time
- I made the point, which some people will have understood.


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On Nov 19, 2025 at 4:34:52 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-19 15:47:01 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 10:20:13 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name"
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty >>>>>>> pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable - >>>>>>> all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering >>>>>>> Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only >>>>>>> plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for >>>>>>> anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a >>>>>> relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard >>>>>> with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 >>>>>> years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. >>>>>> It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits >>>>>> into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet,
low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens, >>>>>> refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc.
You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one. >>>>>

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away"
society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more
wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Selling something is not "getting rid of things". Someone ELSE is now using >> it. I bought this M2 MacBook Pro used on eBay 2 years ago. It was about 6
months old when I got it AND it was $900 less than a new one AND it was free >> shipping AND it was in pristine condition. That is called "recycling" on the >> seller's part AND smart buying on my part. It is NOT "wasted". Selling things
you no longer need/want is NOT a "throw away society". Because nothing is
thrown away.

The original owner 'threw it away' to get a new one. If they had been
able to upgrade the CPU, RAM, storage, etc., they might have kept it
for longer.

Selling something is NOT "throwing it away".

You are clearly clueless.
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On 2025-12-02 04:14:54 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 19, 2025 at 4:34:52 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-19 15:47:01 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 10:20:13 PM EST, "Your Name"
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 22:28:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 18, 2025 at 12:33:13 AM EST, "Your Name"
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-11-18 04:53:50 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Nov 17, 2025 at 9:14:15 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In the age of Apple Silicon the Mac Pro has been become a pretty >>>>>>>> pointless device thanks to having almost nothing that is upgradable - >>>>>>>> all you can really do is add more internal drives (which, considering >>>>>>>> Apple's rather stingy and high-priced built-in drives, was its only >>>>>>>> plus point). The number of people who need a PCI / similar slot for >>>>>>>> anything else is pretty miniscule these days.

Makes sense. The big ugly tower with roaring fans and "slots" is a >>>>>>> relic of the Intel/Motorola/Power PC stone age. The huge motherboard >>>>>>> with RAM here and CPU over there and "slots" way over there is so 30 >>>>>>> years ago.

Everything integrated on a single chip is the present and the future. >>>>>>> It is faster, uses WAY less power, generates WAY less heat and fits >>>>>>> into a MUCH smaller case that MIGHT need a single, whisper-quiet, >>>>>>> low-speed fan.

Plus, no other consumer product is "upgradeable". TVs, microwave ovens,
refrigerators, cars, furniture, phones, watches, speakers, headphones etc.
You buy what you need now and can afford now.

You want/need more later? Buy a new, bigger one and sell the old one. >>>>>>

Unfortunately that is the stupidity of today's selfish "throw away" >>>>>> society. In the long run it makes no real sense because it is more >>>>>> wasteful, more expensive, and uses up far more resources. :-(\

I did not say "throw it away". I said sell it on eBay to help defray the cost
of the new one.

It's still getting rid of things, instead of upgrading or repairing
things ... hence "throw away siciety".

Selling something is not "getting rid of things". Someone ELSE is now using
it. I bought this M2 MacBook Pro used on eBay 2 years ago. It was about 6 >>> months old when I got it AND it was $900 less than a new one AND it was free
shipping AND it was in pristine condition. That is called "recycling" on the
seller's part AND smart buying on my part. It is NOT "wasted". Selling things
you no longer need/want is NOT a "throw away society". Because nothing is >>> thrown away.

The original owner 'threw it away' to get a new one. If they had been
able to upgrade the CPU, RAM, storage, etc., they might have kept it
for longer.

Selling something is NOT "throwing it away".

You are clearly clueless.

Whatever you want to delude yourself with - as I said, I can't be
bothered. :-\

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