Once I get past this issue and get the machine set up as stock with 7.6.1, I will then start to add upgrades; max out the RAM, add a Sonnet G3 or G4 board, and fit a high-end Radeon video card (forget the model numbers now
but I've got several in my storage crates to choose from).
My goal is to have an absolute insane monster of an OS7 machine.
So, after my initial success with resurrecting some floppies using the isopropyl alcohol trick, I immediately ran into a major hurdle when my Performa 5320, the only Mac with a floppy I had working, suddenly
ceased to work... Taking it apart to try and fix it was a disaster, the plastic internals simply crumbled to dust. By the time I got the
motherboard out, there was no way it was ever going in true again, but
it was hopeless anyway; the battery had vented and wrecked a bunch of
chips. :-| So, it turned into a salvage job and I now have a few more
spares for the parts bin.
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had four of
the things, all in various states of distress; one that was
particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for a number
of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged from ugly on
the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot inside but
cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least one really nice example.
So, a few months ago I stripped all four of them down to the frames,
cleaned everything and salvaged any piece worth keeping. This all went
into a couple of large PVC storage crates waiting for their time, and
that time is now! I need a machine with floppy drive to continue to
save my disks. :)
I started yesterday and after a little trial and error (mostly fixed by removing all but a single pair of RAM sticks) have got a stock build
booting with the 9.0.4 retail CD. I want to have this machine run 7.6.1
only, I use this G4 MDD for OS9, but I cannot boot the 9600 with my 7.6 retail CD, so figured I'd install OS9 in the first instance to a
partition and then install 7.6.1 to another partition and go from
there. However, I am using a SCSI2SD adapter and the Drive Setup app on
the OS9 CD doesn't like it and will not initialize it.
Today's job will be to get a copy of FWB onto a Zip disk and see if I
can mount into that while booted into the OS9 CD. If so, I should be
able to work with the SD card hard drive. If not, I will think again!
Once I get past this issue and get the machine set up as stock with
7.6.1, I will then start to add upgrades; max out the RAM, add a Sonnet
G3 or G4 board, and fit a high-end Radeon video card (forget the model numbers now but I've got several in my storage crates to choose from).
My goal is to have an absolute insane monster of an OS7 machine.
scole <vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
[a very nice summarization of ToDos]
Once I get past this issue and get the machine set up as stock with 7.6.1, I
will then start to add upgrades; max out the RAM, add a Sonnet G3 or G4 board, and fit a high-end Radeon video card (forget the model numbers now but I've got several in my storage crates to choose from).
I have a PowerMac 7500 with 512 Megs of RAM, and a "G3"-Card (400 MHz, with 1 MB L2 cache, clocked at 200 MHz). Drawback: The RAM test needs almost a Minute to commence.
I also added a High End Graphics card at one point. Allows me to run Unreal and Unreal Tournament. :-)
I'm also a big fan of 7.6.1. I just like the lean and less bulky window decorations more than the thick stuff Apple started with OS 8. And this thing runs 7.6.1 and especially FreeHand 3 like mad.
In article <290920240831355501%vintageapplemac@gmail.com>,
scole <vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Once I get past this issue and get the machine set up as stock with
7.6.1, I will then start to add upgrades; max out the RAM, add a Sonnet
G3 or G4 board, and fit a high-end Radeon video card (forget the model numbers now but I've got several in my storage crates to choose from).
My goal is to have an absolute insane monster of an OS7 machine.
Sad to hear about the Performa, but you've made the right choice not to let it
deter you from the classic Mac hobby! Creating a lovely 9600 from various machines was a cool idea. The 9600 is, as you've stated, the ultimate System 7.6.1 machine and an overall awesome bridge machine. I've used it's little baby
brother (PowerMac 8600/200) for many years and loved how 7.6.1 just *flies* on
that thing. I also found it more compatible with older apps that would otherwise
start to break with OS 8+ (one of my favorite games, Panzer General, for example).
If you feel like it, you could try setting it up with HFS+ (there's
been some user hacks), initial results look promising. I think I read about this
on the System 7 Today forums.
Today's job will be to get a copy of FWB onto a Zip disk and see if I
can mount into that while booted into the OS9 CD. If so, I should be
able to work with the SD card hard drive. If not, I will think again!
I'm also a big fan of 7.6.1. I just like the lean and less bulky window decorations more than the thick stuff Apple started with OS 8.
I had 1GB of RAM in a 9600 that was running 7.6.1 some years ago and I
don't remember the RAM test being a huge problem. I vaguely recall
there being a way to disable that test, so maybe I did that?
I'm also a big fan of 7.6.1. I just like the lean and less bulky window
decorations more than the thick stuff Apple started with OS 8.
The Kaleidoscope control panel can bring that back in OS 8 and 9.
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had four of
the things, all in various states of distress; one that was
particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for a number
of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged from ugly on
the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot inside but
cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least one really nice example.
In article <290920240831355501%vintageapplemac@gmail.com>, scole
<vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had four
of the things, all in various states of distress; one that was
particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for a
number of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged from
ugly on the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot inside but
cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least one really
nice example.
Update: I got this finished last weekend. Or, at least, finished for
now...
I wasn't happy with the SCSI2SD set-up I had, so recalled the
recommendation someone gave to use a BlueSCSI and went ahead and
ordered one. It did take me some time to get my head around the way
that these need to be used, the placing of a hard drive image on the
SD card rather than simply formatting the card itself. I also decided
to find the original instyall media for the 9600 and managed to get a sensible deal on the install CD from a guy in America. When that
arrived I installed the BlueSCSI board and got 7.6.1 up and running.
On 2024-11-30, scole <vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <290920240831355501%vintageapplemac@gmail.com>, scole
<vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had four
of the things, all in various states of distress; one that was
particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for a
number of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged from
ugly on the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot inside but
cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least one really
nice example.
Update: I got this finished last weekend. Or, at least, finished for
now...
I wasn't happy with the SCSI2SD set-up I had, so recalled the recommendation someone gave to use a BlueSCSI and went ahead and
ordered one. It did take me some time to get my head around the way
that these need to be used, the placing of a hard drive image on the
SD card rather than simply formatting the card itself. I also decided
to find the original instyall media for the 9600 and managed to get a sensible deal on the install CD from a guy in America. When that
arrived I installed the BlueSCSI board and got 7.6.1 up and running.
I've been using a BlueSCSI in my trusty Mac SE/30 for a while now and
it's been great. It's fast, stable, and now the only noise I hear when
it's running is the exhaust fan. ?
On 2024-11-30, scole <vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <290920240831355501%vintageapplemac@gmail.com>, scole
<vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had four
of the things, all in various states of distress; one that was
particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for a
number of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged from
ugly on the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot inside but
cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least one really
nice example.
Update: I got this finished last weekend. Or, at least, finished for
now...
I wasn't happy with the SCSI2SD set-up I had, so recalled the recommendation someone gave to use a BlueSCSI and went ahead and
ordered one. It did take me some time to get my head around the way
that these need to be used, the placing of a hard drive image on the
SD card rather than simply formatting the card itself. I also decided
to find the original instyall media for the 9600 and managed to get a sensible deal on the install CD from a guy in America. When that
arrived I installed the BlueSCSI board and got 7.6.1 up and running.
I've been using a BlueSCSI in my trusty Mac SE/30 for a while now and
it's been great. It's fast, stable, and now the only noise I hear when
it's running is the exhaust fan. 🙂
In article <lr1g29Fsi8uU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-30, scole <vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <290920240831355501%vintageapplemac@gmail.com>, scole
<vintageapplemac@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been meaning to rebuild a PM 9600 for some time now. I had
four of the things, all in various states of distress; one that
was particularly souped up and had been my main battlestation for
a number of years but was very tatty, and the others that ranged
from ugly on the outside but fine on the inside to full of rot
inside but cosmetically fine. I had the makings, then, of at least
one really nice example.
Update: I got this finished last weekend. Or, at least, finished
for now...
I wasn't happy with the SCSI2SD set-up I had, so recalled the
recommendation someone gave to use a BlueSCSI and went ahead and
ordered one. It did take me some time to get my head around the way
that these need to be used, the placing of a hard drive image on
the SD card rather than simply formatting the card itself. I also
decided to find the original instyall media for the 9600 and
managed to get a sensible deal on the install CD from a guy in
America. When that arrived I installed the BlueSCSI board and got
7.6.1 up and running.
I've been using a BlueSCSI in my trusty Mac SE/30 for a while now and
it's been great. It's fast, stable, and now the only noise I hear
when it's running is the exhaust fan. 🙂
That reminds me, I forgot to change the internal fans when I was
putting the 9600 back together! I have some SilenX fans, and intend to replace at least the fan on the inside of the side panel, and probably
inside the PSU too. I replaced all the fans in this G4 MDD and, as it
only has SSDs in it, the thing is almost totally silent, it's
definitely a good upgrade to make!
I replaced all the fans in this G4 MDD and, as it only has SSDs in
it, the thing is almost totally silent, it's definitely a good upgrade to make!
On 2024-12-07 04:28:42 +0000, scole said:
I replaced all the fans in this G4 MDD and, as it only has SSDs in
it, the thing is almost totally silent, it's definitely a good upgrade to make!
I've bought a total of four MDDs in the past, all used, two of which
are still in use. Two of them had very quiet fans (despite the
derogatory "Wind Tunnel" nick) and two others had fans that ran louder.
Now I have one quiet one which I use most of the time, and the other
one is louder. I'm wondering if the fan noise problem got back to Apple
and they started putting quieter fans in later models.
Never really noticed any hard drive noise in any of them.
In article <lr1g29Fsi8uU1@mid.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I've been using a BlueSCSI in my trusty Mac SE/30 for a while now and
it's been great. It's fast, stable, and now the only noise I hear when
it's running is the exhaust fan. ?
I use a BlueSCSI on my LC475 as well (took out the old HD but use the external SCSI connector). On my iMac G3, however, I'll need a different solution as it uses IDE (I guess).
I have not met anyone yet who tried to replace the iMac G3 drive for
some other solution (a CF card?) inside an iMac G3 ;-)
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